LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Narasimh]

Bade Miyan Chote Miyan Formation :biggrin2:

Enough to strike fear in the hearts of enemies.

that little size is quite an advantage. Sukhoi can actually mask the radar signature of Tejas for some of the older radar types if flown in close formation. would show up as one large blip. Although most awacs might be able to find out and we dont know how good chinese radars are.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Bade Miyan Chote Miyan Formation :biggrin2:

Enough to strike fear in the hearts of enemies.

I want to see SU 30 with MWF.
Now that will put fear in the minds of enemy uptil 2030 after that ORCA alone will rule the skies.

 

[aarav]

Bade Miyan Chote Miyan Formation :biggrin2:

Enough to strike fear in the hearts of enemies.

These two crafts will be mainstay of the IAF for the next decade especially MK1a until MWF,ORCA & hopefully AMCA comes

 

[Assassin 2.0]

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[south block]

manned fighter jets are not on there way out until you make a breakthrough on AI superior to human level of intelligence --- which is not possible --- you also need to build a secure quantum level s**t jam proof communication system & encryption devices if you want to use drones as a substitute for pilots which I think is possible in near future.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

manned fighter jets are not on there way out until you make a breakthrough on AI superior to human level of intelligence --- which is not possible --- you also need to build a secure quantum level s**t jam proof communication system & encryption devices if you want to use drones as a substitute for pilots which I think is possible in near future.

I think even if someone is thinking about unnamed jets In IA that is a big thing.
Because old colonial era ideology and work methods are hard embedded in the forces.
That is one big reason why they are vintage.
I would appreciate this forward looking approach but full potential can be only achieved if army doesn't start rejecting indian weapons because they are indian.

 

[south block]

I think even if someone is thinking about unnamed jets In IA that is a big thing.
Because old colonial era ideology and work methods are hard embedded in the forces.
That is one big reason why they are vintage.
I would appreciate this forward looking approach but full potential can be only achieved if army doesn't start rejecting indian weapons because they are indian.

This is complete BS --- Indian military & strategic community have access to plethora of people who are actually working in field which deals from AI to snake oil stock manipulating salesman like Elon musk to BS's who will tell you that Mars will tera form one day ---- what you call true AI is 100 of years away at minimum if not thousands ---- it may not even be possible in first place --- these corporate billionaire scammers have taken everyone for a ride & govt's despite knowing about this BS is not cracking down on these maggots around the world.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

This is complete BS --- Indian military & strategic community have access to plethora of people who are actually working in field which deals from AI to snake oil stock manipulating salesman like Elon musk to BS's who will tell you that Mars will tera form one day ---- what you call true AI is 100 of years away at minimum if not thousands ---- it may not even be possible in first place --- these corporate billionaire scammers have taken everyone for a ride & govt's despite knowing about this BS is not cracking down on these maggots around the world.

I'm not talking about if development of AI is near or not.
I'm talking about futuristic mindset which is required to grow. IA and IAF certainly lacked that.
IA army certainly had number of officials which could see these departments but then why DRDO and certain other organizations always in past used to claim that we didn't received the required input from the end user and bla bla.
IAF is a risk adverse organization , no out of the box thinking till date which can be considered path breaking . Full of hot air and mediocre at best.
Because of colonial type attitude the system which is not ready for a change is slowly and slowly shifting because of the efforts from the government.
Numbers of examples are their if you wanna wish to see that.

 

[south block]

I'm not talking about if development of AI is near or not.
I'm talking about futuristic mindset which is required to grow. IA and IAF certainly lacked that.
IA army certainly had number of officials which could see these departments but then why DRDO and certain other organizations always in past used to claim that we didn't received the required input from the end user and bla bla.
IAF is a risk adverse organization , no out of the box thinking till date which can be considered path breaking . Full of hot air and mediocre at best.
Because of colonial type attitude the system which is not ready for a change is slowly and slowly shifting because of the efforts from the government.
Numbers of examples are their if you wanna wish to see that.

We are risk averse cause we are practical -- we can all dream about what we want but does technology exist for such thing in first place or do we have the technical know how to deliver or achieve those things in first place is the question? Indian military is future oriented but lives in present.
For all the BS indian institutions have delivered --- their is no country in the whole wide world with 1000 USD annual family income which hold such power & influence as we do along with industrial, technological, military capabilities to back up our loud mouth if push come to shove.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

We are risk averse cause we are practical -- we can all dream about what we want but does technology exist for such thing in first place or do we have the technical know how to deliver or achieve those things in first place is the question? Indian military is future oriented but lives in present.

Keep thinking that and keep dreaming to counter 21st century warfare which is more swift much more faster and much more deadlier fuck it IA didn't even had a joint commands in the past navy is doing different shit IAF different and IA is doing different stuff if war breaks out IA will ask from their superior should we call help from other forces or not this was the condition before chief of defence staff.
India certainly had technical knowledge to develop critical weapons which could have been helpful to counter short recent skirmishes PAF with much smaller budget knew the advantages of Awacs but IAF Didn't.
If india needs to win future wars it need to always keep a open view about future technology we are not practical we are just stuck with imports and we keep importing that is the issue go to one page back and see how Dallas sabotage our projects. Even the smaller one's. Only Indian Navy from 90s knew the way forward build it's own design and development center. navy is the only branch of Indian military whose design bureau's has churned out numerous successful designs which got produced be it warships be it submarines be it aircrafts be it missile systems.

They are the only branch who took ownership of local weapons systems from the design phase itself since decades back.

Army Even after Kargil war they were reluctant to change themselves.

For all the BS indian institutions have delivered --- their is no country in the whole wide world with 1000 USD annual family income which hold such power & influence as we do along with industrial, technological, military capabilities to back up our loud mouth if push come to shove.

Yeah that is the thing which makes situation go more critical we are 15% of our budget on defence india is WORLD'S 3RD BIGGEST military budget in the world. And what are we developing? We are 2nd biggest importer of weapons if we had sight we could have developed many things indigenously but sadly we are stuck with import loving forces and slow PSU like OFB. Which cannot even build a sniper rifle. Under previous government IAF had literally canceled the LCA for imports of further Single engine jet.

 

[Snowcat]

The only way forward is ditching the MWF for AMCA, 5th gen should be a priority for the Defense ministry. If they start now, then we can hope it flies for the first time by 2026/27.
Hopefully Kaveri won't be a dream by then.

 

[no smoking]

Yeah that is the thing which makes situation go more critical we are 15% of our budget on defence india is WORLD'S 3RD BIGGEST military budget in the world.

This so called 3rd biggest military budget is barely enough to keep Indian forces in a decent readiness level: don't forget India also has 2nd largest armed force in the world.
And don't forget India's military budget only started boosting since 2000.

And what are we developing? We are 2nd biggest importer of weapons if we had sight we could have developed many things indigenously but sadly we are stuck with import loving forces and slow PSU like OFB. Which cannot even build a sniper rifle. Under previous government IAF had literally canceled the LCA for imports of further Single engine jet.

What do you want to develop with that level of military budget? It is just like I got $10m to buy cars. This number certainly allow me to buy whatever I want. But it will be laughable figure if I decide to use this money to build a car factory. It took other countries trillions dollars to build their military industries in 50-100 years.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

This so called 3rd biggest military budget is barely enough to keep Indian forces in a decent readiness level: don't forget India also has 2nd largest armed force in the world.
And don't forget India's military budget only started boosting since 2000.



What do you want to develop with that level of military budget? It is just like I got $10m to buy cars. This number certainly allow me to buy whatever I want. But it will be laughable figure if I decide to use this money to build a car factory. It took other countries trillions dollars to build their military industries in 50-100 years.

Technically india have world's largest armed forces if we add CRPF in it too which kinda works like Army. Build a leaner army most of the future conflicts will be short and deadlier indian army still is kinda stuck in WW2 type format of slow mobilization.

Yes india need joint theater commands work is already happening on that and india is spending enough money on imports if that money is spend on indigenous weapons then much more economical methods can be worked out after all make in india defence is their because we have a big defence market. ( in this year alone india have signed defence deals worth more than 10 billion.)

India have enough resources to build Equipments but issue is forces are not ready to induct them.
And not to forget how Russian army is equipped with similar budget. If india keeps importing and boost this budget to 100 billion then also nothing will change in terms of indigenous Equipments.

 

[rone]

OK this post going yo be very harsh one I recently got hands on LCA mk1 foc part's list and I spend a day or two to analyze it now it make me fcking depressed ( mostly retarded)

What I going to say may break some of LCA fan boys ( including me ) rage against me and violent counter posts after this anyway am foreseeing this and posting this to point out why IAF on Blackfoot on LCA induction, shortcomings and comparison with most likely foe of LCA ( junk fighter 17) will be followed

1. Avionics : the LCA packs much more modern cockpit ( second only to rafale) but still lacks in some specific parameters
1.a - the 5x5 No's 3 display are currently in foc mk1 are not up to the data it showing up becoz the sensors and data linked situational awareness input's can't properly displayed ( mentioned in CGA report) now only relevant data seems to shown on displays in which some inputs neglected like clutter or ew jamming returns ( which probably or must be rectified in mk1a)
1.b no onboard map generation

2: ec/ew system's no maws systems the lack of missile aproch warning systems make LCA mk1 foc in a tough state in wvr fights and cas roles becoz the ir seekers msssiles passives they won't trigger rwr sensor's so maws is a must be add-on in new gen fighters

3: lack of air to ground stand off ammunition , currently LCA have palned or designed sow weapon system rather than lg pgm and specie pgm nothing materlized ,on papers the LCA mission computer have ability to handle Nato standard weapon system becoz of we using same data bus even one of them integrated or in talks ( not even crystal maze update from 2019) ,even we have very large amounts of Russian air launched small to medium cm we not even tried to test them on LCA , which basically posing LCA as air interception fighter

4 : the final issue I saw was swing role turn around time even LCA have option to go swing role but turn around time for config change for LCA turn around was higher than other modern fighters ( due lack of upgrades to mission control sw)

Now comparison with jf17 ,even its one gen lag behind in aerodynamics and control system it posse's a decent ew/ew systems it have maws also becoz its Chinese creation it support whole Chinese arsenal of sow and pgm which again lacks in LCA, so in conclusion if u consider operational parameters even foc tejas long way faror more integration to do for attain true multi role capability becoz in future conflict the counter mostly be jf17 which have better ec and situation awarenesses,

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Still waiting for Mk1A order thoo.

Tejas is Lookin HAWT.

 

[porky_kicker]

Naval LCA MK1 cockpit

 

[abhay rajput]

OK this post going yo be very harsh one I recently got hands on LCA mk1 foc part's list and I spend a day or two to analyze it now it make me fcking depressed ( mostly retarded)

What I going to say may break some of LCA fan boys ( including me ) rage against me and violent counter posts after this anyway am foreseeing this and posting this to point out why IAF on Blackfoot on LCA induction, shortcomings and comparison with most likely foe of LCA ( junk fighter 17) will be followed

1. Avionics : the LCA packs much more modern cockpit ( second only to rafale) but still lacks in some specific parameters
1.a - the 5x5 No's 3 display are currently in foc mk1 are not up to the data it showing up becoz the sensors and data linked situational awareness input's can't properly displayed ( mentioned in CGA report) now only relevant data seems to shown on displays in which some inputs neglected like clutter or ew jamming returns ( which probably or must be rectified in mk1a)
1.b no onboard map generation

2: ec/ew system's no maws systems the lack of missile aproch warning systems make LCA mk1 foc in a tough state in wvr fights and cas roles becoz the ir seekers msssiles passives they won't trigger rwr sensor's so maws is a must be add-on in new gen fighters

3: lack of air to ground stand off ammunition , currently LCA have palned or designed sow weapon system rather than lg pgm and specie pgm nothing materlized ,on papers the LCA mission computer have ability to handle Nato standard weapon system becoz of we using same data bus even one of them integrated or in talks ( not even crystal maze update from 2019) ,even we have very large amounts of Russian air launched small to medium cm we not even tried to test them on LCA , which basically posing LCA as air interception fighter

4 : the final issue I saw was swing role turn around time even LCA have option to go swing role but turn around time for config change for LCA turn around was higher than other modern fighters ( due lack of upgrades to mission control sw)

Now comparison with jf17 ,even its one gen lag behind in aerodynamics and control system it posse's a decent ew/ew systems it have maws also becoz its Chinese creation it support whole Chinese arsenal of sow and pgm which again lacks in LCA, so in conclusion if u consider operational parameters even foc tejas long way faror more integration to do for attain true multi role capability becoz in future conflict the counter mostly be jf17 which have better ec and situation awarenesses,

You forgot one point and that is 16IOC Tejas aircraft still don't have any BVR capability to date..

 

[WARREN SS]

You forgot one point and that is 16IOC Tejas aircraft still don't have any BVR capability to date..

BS It Already Integrated On 28 April 2018 Last year

Based on the successful integration and demonstration, Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness (RCMA), a unit of DRDO has cleared the series production aircraft of Squadron 45, to be equipped with Derby operational capability. LCATejas has successfully completed a series of captive flight trials to clear Derby for the full operational capability in the entire FOC envelope. In the past, Tejas has qualified for the armaments and missile release related trials.

https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=178996

And LCA MK1 Got FOC on Feb Last Year
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/indias-lca-tejas-operational-clearance/

 

[abhay rajput]

BS It Already Integrated On 28 April 2018 Last year

Based on the successful integration and demonstration, Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness (RCMA), a unit of DRDO has cleared the series production aircraft of Squadron 45, to be equipped with Derby operational capability. LCATejas has successfully completed a series of captive flight trials to clear Derby for the full operational capability in the entire FOC envelope. In the past, Tejas has qualified for the armaments and missile release related trials.

https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=178996

And LCA MK1 Got FOC on Feb Last Year
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/indias-lca-tejas-operational-clearance/

Officials said the successful launch of the BVR missile will expedite issuance of the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) to the aircraft developed by state-run aerospace company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
It has been only tested not integrated because as of now IAF dont have any FOC aircraft yet .. only TEJAS IOC are delivered which can't fire BVR as of now... The first four FOC Tejas will be delivered this year before March (hal timeline) which will have BVR capability..

 

[WARREN SS]

It has been only tested not integrated because as of now IAF dont have any FOC aircraft yet .. only TEJAS IOC are delivered which can't fire BVR as of now... The first four FOC Tejas will be delivered this year before March (hal timeline) which will have BVR capability..

Did you even read What I posted
Based on the successful integration and demonstration, Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness (RCMA), a unit of DRDO has cleared the series production aircraft of Squadron 45, to be equipped with Derby capability. LCA Tejas has successfully completed a series of captive flight trials to clear Derby for the full operational capability in the entire FOC envelope. In the past, Tejas has qualified for the armaments and missile release related trials.

Flying daggers of squadron 45 already
Cleared for operation with Derby


https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=178996

Do you know what Foc is it's just clearance Certificate

Also Mk1 have IOC-2 not IOC