LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[patriots]

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[vampyrbladez]

Pakistans flying Arsenal is reflective of its war strategy.
F 16 as the MVP with JF 17 as support to stop Indian Advancement in its territory, large fleet of bombers to destroy Indian war machine near border areas. Air Base, connecting roads, Bridges Rail lines, Ammunition Storage and anything that could aid our offence.
Next their mechanized divisions try to capture as much land as possible in Punjab and Rajasthan but mostky they'll try to capture populated areas like they did in 1965.
Capturing Populated land will be their main goal as that will cause a Moral defeat and act as a bargaining chip.
Next their Politicians create ruckus as on international stage and paint India as a aggressor.
In this way the cockroaches survives to cause Jihad another day.

They have a gameplan and hence their procurement reflects it, while we like to buy all sorts of stuff without any vision in mind.
It's my own opinion but nothing solid was decided on what to do with Pakistan until brasstacks.

All this assumption relies on India not doing anything and sitting on its butt.

India is getting new infantry equipment, artillery, transport aircraft and 464 additional tanks along with another 464 of T 90MS type probable and creating then as IBGs under a CDS capable of directing theatre commands.

India is also getting Rafales of no.s 72+ - 150 ish to replace all MiG 29 UPGs. Tejas MK2 to replace all Mirages. Su 57 to complement the Su 30 MKI and MKI itself to be upgraded to Su 35 BM standards. Tejas MK1A/MK1A will replace MiG 21 BiS and Jaguar as well as the now phased out MiG 27. This will ensure air superiority with all near peer enemies.

On the naval front, we will have a fleet 1/3 the size of China's total fleet but thrice as capable compared to what they can deploy in the Indian Ocean.

 

[Shadow]

When can we expect the first flight of Mk-1A??

 

[Bhurki]

When can we expect the first flight of Mk-1A??

Not before 2023.
Afaik, HAL has to deliver
16 FOC(#21-36)+ 8(#16-20, #37-40) trainers before that.
Not to mention the contract hasn't even been signed, so the subsystems haven't been ordered yet.

Also, this article is from Feb'19.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...issues-contract-this-year-119022101361_1.html
Tejas Mark 1A to fly by 2022, if defence ministry issues contract this year

 

[WolfPack86]

HAL LCA Tejas fighter.

 

[shankyz]

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[Bleh]

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Don't take it literally...........



As of production numbers, it'll most likely won't cross 16/year due to absence of orders.

• 2020 will see 4 Tejas FOC before March & 12 more after that,which completes the FOC order... Then remains 8 trainer aircrafts for FOC & 10 from Mark1A batches.
• 2021 is likely to see 16 of those be produced, with the last 2 in 2022 (befire end of fiscal year).

Not 100% sure, but the numbers all add up & makes sense that way. @Bhurki
Mark1A could still start production in mid or late 2022.

 

[Defcon 1]

Don't take it literally...........

As of production numbers, it'll most likely remain static at 16/year due to absence of orders.
2020 will see 4 Tejas FOC before March & 12 more after that,which completes the FOC order... Then remains 8 trainer aircrafts for FOC & 10 from Mark1A batches. 2021 is likely to see 16 of those be produced, with the last 2 in 2022.

The production numbers will remain at 8/annum till the start of Mk1A production.

 

[Bhurki]

Don't take it literally...........



As of production numbers, it'll most likely won't cross 16/year due to absence of orders.

• 2020 will see 4 Tejas FOC before March & 12 more after that,which completes the FOC order... Then remains 8 trainer aircrafts for FOC & 10 from Mark1A batches.
• 2021 is likely to see 16 of those be produced, with the last 2 in 2022 (befire end of fiscal year).

Not 100% sure, but the numbers all add up & makes sense that way. @Bhurki
Mark1A could still start production in mid or late 2022.

All depends on when Mk1a is signed.
No use pulling your hair out thinking out production numbers before that..

Just to spike everyone reading this, last squadron of Mig 21 bis will retire this march, tech life of bison(6 sq) will end FY22

 

[WolfPack86]

Contract for 83 Tejas Mk1A at DEFEXPO
State-run aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is expected to ink the final contract order for the construction of 83 Tejas Mk1A at the 11th edition of the biennial mega defense exhibition ” DefExpo 2020 ” to be held from 5th to 8th of Next month at Vrindavan Yojna, Sector 15, Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh. After months of negotiations, Indian Air Force (IAF) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) have fixed the price of the LCA-Tejas Mark 1A at about Rs 310 crore per fighter which is $43M per craft which is $20.5M more than the price agreed upon for manufacturing of 40 Tejas Mk1. Tejas Mk1A will come equipped with Next Generation Digital flight control computer (DFCC) borrowed from Tejas Mk2 program and will feature Dual Pylon for CCM and External ELL-8222WB self-protection jammer pod along with Elta’s ELM-52 X-Band Fire Control Radar, along with host of upgrades to its avionics and software and some minor improvements in its radar cross-section (RCS) and will be easy to maintain. HAL has decided to manufacture 8 Tejas Mk1 Trainers from the first order and then continue with 10 more Tejas Mk1 Trainers from Second-order (Tejas Mk1A) before it starts work on the development of 73 Tejas Mk1A aircraft. Tejas Mk1A will have its first flight by 2022 but it might be a Trainer Variant.
https://idrw.org/contract-for-83-tejas-mk1a-at-defexpo/#more-218345

 

[Narasimh]

quite a good explanation of Delta wing. makes me realize ADA has done a good job in control system design for Tejas

 

[IndianHawk]

Just to spike everyone reading this, last squadron of Mig 21 bis will retire this march, tech life of bison(6 sq) will end FY22

We'll have 40 LCA and 20+ rafale + 20 more su30mki by then and hopefully 21 mig29upg.

But more importantly mk1a must start production from 2023 anyhow and mwf from 2026.

 

[Kharavela]

Just asking...

Is MK1 FOC less capable than MiG 21 ?

If no, then shouldn't IAF stop crying over diminishing squadron strength & order more MK1 FOC to replace MiG 21 ?

IMO, instead of 20, IAF should have gone for 10 squadrons and insisted on 2nd assembly line with consortium of private players. This would have broken the monopoly of grossly inefficient HAL in Indian aviation & have created necessary ecosystem for future variants.

If yes, then let's wait for MK1A.

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[IndianHawk]

Just asking...

Is MK1 FOC less capable than MiG 21 ?

If no, then shouldn't IAF stop crying over diminishing squadron strength & order more MK1 FOC to replace MiG 21 ?

IMO, instead of 20, IAF should have gone for 10 squadrons and insisted on 2nd assembly line with consortium of private players. This would have broken the monopoly of grossly inefficient HAL in Indian aviation & have created necessary ecosystem for future variants.

If yes, then let's wait for MK1A.

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MK1 foc is more than capable. But mk1a is far more refined version which will require much less maintenance than MK1. Also mk1a incorporates ew capabilities which is necessary these days.

LCA covers much larger cap than mig21 and also doubles as strike platform . Honestly one LCA is equal to 1.5 mig21 + 1 mig27 in capabilities.

 

[Kharavela]

MK1 foc is more than capable. But mk1a is far more refined version which will require much less maintenance than MK1. Also mk1a incorporates ew capabilities which is necessary these days.

LCA covers much larger cap than mig21 and also doubles as strike platform . Honestly one LCA is equal to 1.5 mig21 + 1 mig27 in capabilities.

Had IAF ordered more LCA MK1 FOC:
1) Diminishing squadron strength wouldn't be a headache now.
2) Our pilots wouldn't have to risk their lives on flying coffins.
3) By insisting participation of private players, an alternative of HAL would have born. (Example: L&T have delivered 51st K9 Vajra before schedule).

Work hard in silence, let your success be your noise.

 

[Defcon 1]

Just asking...

Is MK1 FOC less capable than MiG 21 ?

If no, then shouldn't IAF stop crying over diminishing squadron strength & order more MK1 FOC to replace MiG 21 ?

IMO, instead of 20, IAF should have gone for 10 squadrons and insisted on 2nd assembly line with consortium of private players. This would have broken the monopoly of grossly inefficient HAL in Indian aviation & have created necessary ecosystem for future variants.

If yes, then let's wait for MK1A.

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IAF cannot insist on choosing private vendor. Vendor selection is job of MOD and DRDO. Rest of your post has already been responded to. IAF doesn't want light fighters. Hence lack of interest in mk1

 

[IndianHawk]

Had IAF ordered more LCA MK1 FOC:
1) Diminishing squadron strength wouldn't be a headache now.
2) Our pilots wouldn't have to risk their lives on flying coffins.
3) By insisting participation of private players, an alternative of HAL would have born. (Example: L&T have delivered 51st K9 Vajra before schedule).

Work hard in silence, let your success be your noise.

IAF cannot insist on choosing private vendor. Vendor selection is job of MOD and DRDO. Rest of your post has already been responded to. IAF doesn't want light fighters. Hence lack of interest in mk1

I don't think iaf is against light fighter per se. But iaf now has to prepare for two front battle and hence insist on longer range of fighter that is why mwf is being prepared with 3300 kg internal fuel of which iaf will buy 12 squadron.

Mk1a is a compromise because it offers ew protection and aesa radar .

Yes more lca should have been ordered to breach shortfall .

 

[Defcon 1]

I don't think iaf is against light fighter per se. But iaf now has to prepare for two front battle and hence insist on longer range of fighter that is why mwf is being prepared with 3300 kg internal fuel of which iaf will buy 12 squadron.

Mk1a is a compromise because it offers ew protection and aesa radar .

Yes more lca should have been ordered to breach shortfall .

The requirement for longer range automatically means that light fighter is out.

 

[patriots]

. It was not supposed to TO with full fuel in this round of testing, but it did. It seems like TO with full fuel, plus centerline fuel tank and 4 to 6 A2A missiles will be possible. WOW!

The INSV crew was pleasantly surprised by the ease of operations on deck. The aircrafts was moved below deck for a minor repair. So essentially every aspect has been checked except for arming and disarming onboard



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Not an official one though
@Bleh

 

[IndianHawk]

The requirement for longer range automatically means that light fighter is out.

Well 123 are coming anyway . If iaf wants to fully utilize old mig hangers than lca is the size we get.
Hopefully few more sq of mk1a will be ordered.