Lashkar e Taiba bent on striking India again

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Lashkar e Taiba bent on striking India again

KARACHI: Ten months after the devastating attacks in Mumbai by Pakistan-based militants, the group behind the assault remains largely intact and
determined to strike India again, according to current and former members of the group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and a range of intelligence officials.

Despite pledges from Pakistan to dismantle militant groups operating on its soil, and the arrest of a handful of operatives, Lashkar has persisted, even flourished, since 10 recruits killed 163 people in a rampage through Mumbai, India’s financial capital, last November.

Indian and Pakistani dossiers on the Mumbai investigations, copies of which were obtained by The New York Times, offer a detailed picture of the operations of a Lashkar network that spans Pakistan. It included four houses and two training camps here in this sprawling southern port city that were used to prepare the attacks.

Among the organizers, the Pakistani document says, was Hammad Amin Sadiq, a homeopathic pharmacist, who arranged bank accounts and secured supplies. He and six others begin their formal trial on Saturday in Pakistan, though Indian authorities say the prosecution stops well short of top Lashkar leaders.

Indeed, Lashkar’s broader network endures, and can be mobilized quickly for elaborate attacks with relatively few resources, according to a dozen current and former Lashkar militants and intelligence officials from the United States, Europe, India and Pakistan.

In interviews with The Times, they presented a troubling portrait of Lashkar’s capabilities, its popularity in Pakistan and the support it has received from former officials of Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment.

Pakistan’s chief spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, or ISI, helped create Lashkar two decades ago to challenge Indian control in Kashmir, the disputed territory that lies at the heart of the conflict between the nuclear-armed neighbors.

Pakistani officials say that after 9/11 they broke their contacts with the group. No credible evidence has emerged of Pakistani government involvement in the Mumbai attacks, according to an American law enforcement official.

But a senior American intelligence official said the ISI was believed to maintain ties with Lashkar. Four Lashkar members, interviewed individually, said only a thin distance separated Lashkar and the ISI, bridged by former ISI and military officials.

One highly placed Lashkar militant said that the Mumbai attackers were part of groups trained by former Pakistani military and intelligence officials at Lashkar camps. Others had direct knowledge that retired army and ISI officials trained Lashkar recruits as late as last year.

"Some people of the ISI knew about the plan and closed their eyes," said one senior Lashkar operative in Karachi who said he had met some of the gunmen before they left for the Mumbai assault, though he did not know what their mission would be.

The intelligence officials interviewed insisted on anonymity while discussing classified information. The current and former Lashkar militants did not want their names used for fear of antagonizing others in the group or Pakistani authorities.

But by all accounts Lashkar’s network, though dormant, remains alive, and the possibility that it could strike India again makes Lashkar a wild card in one of the most volatile regions of the world.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since they were created by the bloody partition of British India in 1947. Whether they begin again the long journey toward peace or find themselves eyeball to eyeball, nuclear arms at the ready, depends in no small measure on the actions of this shadowy group.

A new attack could reverberate widely through the region and revive nagging questions about Pakistan’s commitment to stamp out the militant groups that use its territory.

It could also dangerously complicate the Obama administration’s efforts in Afghanistan. Success there depends in part on avoiding open conflict between India and Pakistan, so that Pakistan’s military can focus on battling the Taliban insurgents who base themselves in Pakistan.

Even so, American diplomatic efforts to improve India-Pakistan relations have been stillborn. So sensitive is the Kashmir issue that Indian officials bridle at any hint of American mediation.

Meeting on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, the two sides failed to restart talks last weekend, with India demanding greater steps by Pakistan to prosecute those responsible for the Mumbai attacks.

The dossiers show that at the level of the police, the two countries can cooperate, and have exchanged DNA evidence, photographs and items found with the attackers to piece together a detailed portrait of the Mumbai plot.

But the files are laced with barbs and recriminations, reflecting the acid tenor of their relations. Despite pledges to work together to fight terrorism, the Pakistani and Indian intelligence services are not on speaking terms, according to officials in both countries and the United States. The gaps heighten the risks of a new attack substantially, American officials fear.

"The only cooperation we have with the Pakistanis is that they send us their terrorists, who kill our people, and we kill their terrorists," said a senior Indian intelligence official in an interview.

Asked how much his agency communicated with its Indian counterpart, a senior Pakistani intelligence official made an O with his thumb and forefinger.

"Zero," he replied.

BRAZEN PLANNING

The Pakistani investigation concludes "beyond any reasonable doubt" that it was Lashkar militants who carried out the Mumbai attacks, preying on their victims in a train station, two five-star hotels, a cafe and a Jewish center over three days starting last Nov. 26.

According to testimony by the only surviving attacker, Ajmal Kasab, 22, Lashkar recruits were vetted and trained around the country, including at well-established camps in Muzaffarabad, in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, as well as in Mansehra, in North-West Frontier province.

A core group, the 10 chosen for the Mumbai assault, was eventually moved to Karachi and its suburbs, where the real drilling began and where Pakistani investigators later retraced the plotters’ steps. Beginning as early as May 2008, the group trained and planned brazenly while living in various neighborhoods in and around Karachi. They made scores of calls using cell phones, some with stolen numbers, starting in August. They set up voice lines over the Internet.

At one water sports shop, they bought inflatable boats, air pumps, life jackets and engines. One of their training camps, with five thatched rooms and a three-room house, was located near a creek, where they conducted water drills in the open.

Police later recovered an abundance of evidence: militant literature, pocket diaries, spent and live ammunition, empty gun magazines, life vests and receipts for supplies, including distributed weapons and explosives, the Pakistani dossier says.

At the other camp, which they named Azizabad, the group and their trainers set up a classroom.

Using handwritten manuals, the recruits were trained how to use mobile phones to keep in contact with their handlers during the attack. They pored over detailed maps of the Indian coastline, plotting the course they would take to Mumbai. They learned how to use global positioning devices.

Working from Millat Town, a dusty, middle-class Karachi suburb on the eastern edge of the city, Sadiq organized the cadre. Neighbors described him as quiet and pious, riding around the streets with his two young sons perched on his motorbike. The Pakistani dossier says he was a committed Lashkar militant.

In an interview, his uncle, Lala Yasin, said the same, adding proudly that Sadiq was willing to do anything to liberate Kashmir from India’s grip.

"Lashkar-e-Taiba does not kill people without reason," Yasin said at his home in Karachi, a few blocks from where his nephew planned the Mumbai attacks.

"It is the champion of jihad," he explained. "Muslims are like a body and if one part of your body is aching, the entire body may be jeopardized."

A LIMITED CRACKDOWN


Pakistani authorities have arrested seven men linked to the Mumbai attack, including Sadiq and Zaki ur-Rehman Lakhvi, a man well known as the chief of operations for Lashkar. They are searching for at least 13 other suspects.

But their investigation has come up short of the founder of Lashkar, Hafiz Saeed, the man Indian and Western officials accuse of masterminding the attacks.

In June, a Pakistani court freed Saeed from detention, declaring it did not have enough evidence to hold him. He now has an international warrant out for his arrest, issued by Interpol.

Under continuing pressure, Pakistani authorities this month confined his movements once again. But they say they have no new evidence against him.

Rehman Malik, Pakistan’s interior minister, said that there is simply not enough evidence to charge Saeed with a crime, and that all the evidence pointed to Lakhvi as the mastermind.

"Lakhvi was the head, and that is why he has been taken into custody," Malik said in an interview. "He has been charged and now they are all under trial."

Indian officials say they have sent Pakistan a six-page summary of evidence of Saeed’s complicity in the Mumbai attacks, a copy of which was given to The New York Times. The document, based on India’s own intelligence and testimony from Kasab, quotes Saeed giving detailed instructions to the group that carried out the attack.

"One Hindustani boat has to be hijacked for going to Bombay from Karachi," the document says, using Mumbai’s former name. Saeed also told the group that it should aim to begin the assault at about 7:30 p.m.

"At this hour there is considerable crowd at the places of our target," the document quotes him as saying.

Pakistani officials and legal experts say the evidence is not as clear-cut as India says. The case against Saeed rests almost entirely on the testimony of Kasab, the surviving attacker, and serious questions remain about the way the Indian police obtained his statements, they say.

Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the organization Saeed now leads, bills itself as a charity and denies any links with Lashkar. Abdur Rahman Makki, Saeed’s deputy and brother-in-law, called any accusations against Saeed baseless.

"I do not think that there is anything left to talk about after the High Court’s decision that Hafez Saeed has no link to the Mumbai incident," he said in an interview.

Yet he was not shy about admitting that Saeed, a fiery preacher, regularly exhorted young people to fight in Kashmir. "Hafiz Saeed always speaks and discusses about the jihad that is mentioned in the Holy Koran," Makki said. "Not only Pakistanis, any Muslim has the duty to support the oppressed Kashmiris."

All parts of India where Muslims are a majority must be freed, he said.

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For Pakistani authorities, the political problems posed by arresting Saeed, or undertaking a broader crackdown on Lashkar, may outstrip the legal ones.

The organization and its cause – to "free" Kashmir – remain close to the hearts of the Pakistani public as well as the military and intelligence establishment.

Since the Mumbai attacks, "our funds increased and more people wanted to join us," a senior Lashkar operative in Karachi said in an interview. A midlevel ISI officer told The Times this year that Lashkar’s membership extends to 150,000 people.

Despite official denials, Pakistan’s spy agency, the ISI, maintains links to Lashkar, though the current level of support remains murky, according to the senior American intelligence official interviewed by The Times, as well as Pakistani analysts, retired military officials and former Lashkar members.

"Hafiz Saeed is the army’s man," said Najam Sethi, an analyst and newspaper editor in Lahore, Pakistan. He and other analysts said the ISI was in no hurry to discard a group it helped create for a covert war against India.

"They have not abandoned it altogether," said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a military analyst in Lahore. "It is not a total reversal; it is a realization that this is not advisable at this time."

Senior ISI officials disputed the view. While acknowledging that the ISI had worked closely with Lashkar-e-Taiba in the past, they said things were different now.

"Prior to 9/11, we had a very strong contact with LET, even on the leadership level," one senior Pakistani intelligence official said in an interview. "But after 9/11, we broke our contacts with not only LET but also the Taliban."

"Today we think that it would have been better if we had not cut our ties with them the way we did," the official added, "so that we could control them more."

A senior Lashkar militant said the group was divided, with the operational wing, led by Lakhvi, chafing for more attacks on India, and the spiritual wing, led by Saeed, advocating a more cautious approach.

The senior Pakistani intelligence official said that some within Lashkar might aspire to a more ambitious agenda, and suggested that parts of the group might have acted on their own.

"Lashkar went rogue," the Pakistani intelligence official said. "Perhaps LET or dissident factions wanted to emerge as a global player," like al-Qaida.

NEW ATTACKS EXPECTED

Even as new details emerge about the Mumbai attacks, senior American military, intelligence and counterterrorism officials express grim certainty that Lashkar is plotting new attacks.

The United States warned Indian officials earlier this year about a Mumbai-style attack by Lashkar against multiple sites in India, according to a senior Defense Department official and a senior American counterterrorism official.

The counterterrorism official said the information, gleaned from electronic intercepts and other sources, was not specific and apparently did not result in any arrests. But it was significant enough for American officials to alert their Indian counterparts.

"There were indications of possible terrorist activity in the run-up to the Indian elections," in May, "and that information was shared promptly with Indian officials," said the counterterrorism official.

Pakistani officials, however, say they have been kept in the dark. "We heard that the Americans have warned the Indians that something in Mumbai might happen, but no one informed us," a senior Pakistani intelligence official said.

If there is one thing on which intelligence agencies on both sides of the border agree, it is that the consequences of a new attack by Lashkar could be devastating.

"We do fear that if something like Mumbai happens in India again, there might be a military reaction from the Indian side and it could trigger into a war," said a senior intelligence official in Pakistan. "Right now we cannot guarantee that it will not happen again, because we do not have any control over it."
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^^ these Jihadis in Pakistan have gone insane I think. Had they used their energy and resources on something else other than "liberating Muslim majority regions from India", only God knows how advanced Pakistan would have been! Maybe they'd be the ones discovering water on the moon right now. :p

Somebody please tell these fanatics that we Muslims are fine in India. We can fight our own battles by our own peaceful ways. We don't need them fighting on our behalf.. all they tend to do is kill us in the process anyway.
 

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^^ they believe that the partition is unfinished business, and that many Muslim dominant regions that should have gone to Pakistan, were instead given to India. They want to "liberate" these regions. They have an eye mainly on UP, and even Assam, which they believe should have been given to East Pakistan. And then of course there is Kashmir.

Many of these Jihadi's (read LeT) also want to fulfill Ghazwa e Hind. They will basically carry out a war against India until they flush out all the kafirs.

Basically no matter what India does (even if India hands over Kashmir to Pakistan), these people will not stop terrorizing India.
 

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LOL....most cowards of all Muslims trying to protect the muslims...They dont even have the confidence that Muslims can prosper even when it is not so called Islamic country. Actually the State of Pakistan does not have any existance without India.Fear and hatred to India is the reason of creation and existence of Pakistan. How much they try they can not run away from it. So no wonder Pakistani terrorists see India through the glasses their founders gave them six decades ago. But fact is that whatever they do...( even if they bomb themselseves for a mission)...to me they are most cowards of all Muslims.
 

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Wonder what they do to help the oppressed muslims of Pakistan where a muslim kills a muslim? they doctor images of some brutality and credit that to Indian hindus oppressing muslims in their brainwashing process.

loads of crap.
 

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I think this is a clear black mail by Pakistan saying either talk or else be ready for terrorist attack
 

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In a way it's to be expected.The roller-coaster ride of the 26/11 investigation inside of Pakistan has now given them even more confidence to strike with out fear of prosecution.
 

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^^ these Jihadis in Pakistan have gone insane I think. Had they used their energy and resources on something else other than "liberating Muslim majority regions from India", only God knows how advanced Pakistan would have been! Maybe they'd be the ones discovering water on the moon right now. :p

Somebody please tell these fanatics that we Muslims are fine in India. We can fight our own battles by our own peaceful ways. We don't need them fighting on our behalf.. all they tend to do is kill us in the process anyway.
Frankly I do not care about the Indian Muslims but my question usually LT operatives captured in India are Indian not Pakistanis. So either your media is a liar that reports Indian operative arrest or you are apologetic in front of your country mates.

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Wonder what they do to help the oppressed muslims of Pakistan where a muslim kills a muslim? they doctor images of some brutality and credit that to Indian hindus oppressing muslims in their brainwashing process.

loads of crap.
Yousaf normal Pakistani is not concerned with you people seriously. We do care about Bangladeshis and Afganis but not Indian Muslims
 

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Wonder what they do to help the oppressed muslims of Pakistan where a muslim kills a muslim? they doctor images of some brutality and credit that to Indian hindus oppressing muslims in their brainwashing process.

loads of crap.
Yousaf normal Pakistani is not concerned with you people seriously. We do care about Bangladeshis and Afganis but not Indian Muslims due to their attitude in early days of Pakistan quite hated
 

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Frankly I do not care about the Indian Muslims but my question usually LT operatives captured in India are Indian not Pakistanis. So either your media is a liar that reports Indian operative arrest or you are apologetic in front of your country mates.
LeT operatives captured in India are overwhelmingly Pakistani nationals.
If you are referring to fake encounters then that is a different matter.

Yousaf normal Pakistani is not concerned with you people seriously. We do care about Bangladeshis and Afganis but not Indian Muslims
I would concur, I would also say a normal Pakistani is not concerned with the various jihads being waged by Pakistani people, organizations and government.

However, there exists a significant population of "abnormal" Pakistanis who are willing to die and kill others for fellow foreign "Sunni" Muslims.
 

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Yousaf normal Pakistani is not concerned with you people seriously. We do care about Bangladeshis and Afganis but not Indian Muslims
Talking about "atrocities" in Gujarat riots is a common theme for the LeT to brainwash as corroborated by Kasab.

LeT recruits are always told about some concocted stories about "atrocities" against Muslims in India and then sent to avenge defeats.
Your average Pakistani may not be interested in Indian Muslims, but Hafiz Saeed and co sure do.
 

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Pakistanis should stop thinking Muslim Muslim Muslim all the time and Start Repeating HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN and Supplement it with LIFE is Precious, Life is Precious, Life is Precious!

We dont want terrorist from across the Border in India killing our innocents. Stop them first and thereby prove that you dont care what we do!!
 

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^^ these Jihadis in Pakistan have gone insane I think. Had they used their energy and resources on something else other than "liberating Muslim majority regions from India", only God knows how advanced Pakistan would have been! Maybe they'd be the ones discovering water on the moon right now. :p

Somebody please tell these fanatics that we Muslims are fine in India. We can fight our own battles by our own peaceful ways. We don't need them fighting on our behalf.. all they tend to do is kill us in the process anyway.
Is bloody pakistan creation is not enough and they want more creations let them concentrate on balochistan etc as they have n number of problems,meh just a question do u want many smaller nations within india where muslim is majority?? already 1947 partition itself a paranoid of muslim elites and one partition is more than enough as india is still secular but pakistan (everyone knows) so no more fanatic nation like pakistan should be formed

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Talking about "atrocities" in Gujarat riots is a common theme for the LeT to brainwash as corroborated by Kasab.

LeT recruits are always told about some concocted stories about "atrocities" against Muslims in India and then sent to avenge defeats.
Your average Pakistani may not be interested in Indian Muslims, but Hafiz Saeed and co sure do.
i think we should counter brain wash these terrorists showing bangladesh genocide,balochistan genocide and pakistan joining hand with usa killing their own people with drones
 

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There is a good reason to suspect something is afoot,LET does not carry out such brazen attacks unless it gets a go ahead from the section of the PAK military and intelligence establishment.

The Mumbai terror attacks followed in the wake increasing pressure on Pakistan army to engage the Taliban in the tribal areas more effectively,which otherwise had been a mere eyewash.With the army called upon to deploy more troops in NWFP,section of the ISI and the army gambled that the only effective way to take the pressure off the Taliban and prevent them from being totally wiped out,was to spark an indo-Pak standoff similar to what happened after the Parliament attack.The gamble only partly paid off.

Taliban are once again on the run and it wont be long before the rogue elements in the military establishment plan another dastardly attack to take the heat off the Taliban.
 

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LeT operatives captured in India are overwhelmingly Pakistani nationals.
If you are referring to fake encounters then that is a different matter.



I would concur, I would also say a normal Pakistani is not concerned with the various jihads being waged by Pakistani people, organizations and government.

However, there exists a significant population of "abnormal" Pakistanis who are willing to die and kill others for fellow foreign "Sunni" Muslims.
I remember one guy from Delhi being sentenced to death for being their operative.
That is true and it is not significant infact most of us are like that, first example of it being the Khaliafat Movement in India. 2ndly not just the sunni but whole muslim world, there are alot of Sunni Pakistani who revers Imam Khomini :)

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Talking about "atrocities" in Gujarat riots is a common theme for the LeT to brainwash as corroborated by Kasab.

LeT recruits are always told about some concocted stories about "atrocities" against Muslims in India and then sent to avenge defeats.
Your average Pakistani may not be interested in Indian Muslims, but Hafiz Saeed and co sure do.
Hafiz Saeed is Kashmir centric, even he is least bothered about the Muslims in India. Kashmir is not India, its Pakistan
 

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Talking about "atrocities" in Gujarat riots is a common theme for the LeT to brainwash as corroborated by Kasab.

LeT recruits are always told about some concocted stories about "atrocities" against Muslims in India and then sent to avenge defeats.
Your average Pakistani may not be interested in Indian Muslims, but Hafiz Saeed and co sure do.
Hafiz Saeed is Kashmir centric, even he is least bothered about the Muslims in India. Kashmir is not India, its Pakistan
 

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Hafiz Saeed is Kashmir centric, even he is least bothered about the Muslims in India. Kashmir is not India, its Pakistan
If Kashmir is Pakistan..then why the drama of Azaad Kashmir.
 

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Hafiz Saeed is Kashmir centric, even he is least bothered about the Muslims in India. Kashmir is not India, its Pakistan
I thought you guys wanted the Kashmiris to decide for themselves! Now isnt it hypocricy with you saying Its Pakistan?? What If Kashmiris want to be Independent? Then what? This is what, Pakistan just wants the land, even if it were Not muslim, but infested with Ogres and trolls (not the internet kind)!!!
 

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