$8.5 bn for 3 destroyers is a bit expensive, but good news for UK defence industry. aussies were talking about joining the "global combat ship" project as well and the decision will be made in 2018.
Read up history of WWII where quantity won over quality.
don't forget a huge sacrifice that USSR had to make in order to match the NAZI's superior technology. as a result more than 28 million russian lives were taken. German soldiers were killing Russians troops in combat approximately 1:6 ratio...
even type 45 destroyer costs only $1.8bn per unit. with that $8bn, ausssie can get 4 astute class subs.
Hahaha yes, we might eventually build 18,000-20,000 Air Defence Cruisers in about 20-30 more years.
How do you like this as a wet dream?
1x Otobreda 127/64 LW
6x Oerlikon Millennium 35 (CIWS)
2x8x4=64 Maitri QR-SAM (CIWS)
4x8=32 LR-SAM
4x8=32 AAD
4x8=32 PDV
4x8=32 Nirbhay
4x8=32 Brahmos
2x RBU launchers
2x2 Varunastra/SeaHakeMod4ER launchers
4x LRTR
4x MFCR
1x Smart-L MK2
1x ELF Antenna
GPS/Glonass/INS/Satcom
2x ASW Helo
2x SAR Helo
We are not fighting aliens.
All we need are better sensors and a better VLS for are ships
The Americans had planned bigger ships than these with 500-1000 cruise missiles, but they just decided to modify SSBNs into SSGNs with 150 missiles each.
Not true at 100%, dont use a poor european ship like the T-45 for confront, European frigates/destroyers as German Sachsen class, Dutch De Zeven Provinzien class or Italian and French FREMM and Horizon class or even the Spanish F-100 are true multirole ships.
Not true at 100%, dont use a poor european ship like the T-45 for confront, European frigates/destroyers as German Sachsen class, Dutch De Zeven Provinzien class or Italian and French FREMM and Horizon class or even the Spanish F-100 are true multirole ships.
Read some info on Italian FREMM Bergamini Class
(the author missing some 3-4 others features like the dual antitorpedo decoy C-310 C-310] with MTE (mobile target emulator) and jammer effector and all air decoys/chafts/flares/jammer clouds lunched as rockets from the SCLAR-H).
You guys give too much emphasis to antiships missiles, they are only one the minor components of a moder multirole ships... a supersonic missiles like the Brahamos can be detect from turbolence by a simple weather radar or from heat from a IRST device like the SASS on bord the Italian FREMM at the range of the horizon.... the true war is in the EW and ECM systems of the ships
Personally I do not think that now the Indian ships are at the European level, but India is a young nation and is greatly improving its armed forces and have time... this is only the first generation of true Indian ships.
you would not understand the structure of our navy if you are looking it from an italian point of view lol. type 45 are known as air defence destroyers or simply air defenders which are designed to be part of the carrier strike group when our 2x 72000 tons carriers are launched. their task is only to protect the entire CSG from any aerial/air attacks, including the ballistic missiles attacks and they are specifically designed to perform this specific task. in our navy we don't operate ships which can do multi-task which are not specialised in specific role like you see the ships in other smaller european navies. we prefer to have dedicated ships with a lot of firepower and can punch a lot in specific role whether in anti submarine/ship, air defence (anti aircraft,missile) or long range ground attack. being said that, type 45 can be fitted with tomahawk long range land attack cruise missiles (2500km range) and also the british storm shadow missile (500km range) if necessary. this role is currently taken by our submarines. we are currently developing stealth supersonic cruise missiles for the royal navy and royal air force. these missiles will be fitted on current 6x ($1.8bn each) type 45 destroyers and the coming "Global Combat Ship" GCS which will be operated and deployed as part of the carrier strike groups.
both italian and french navies can't afford to operate more than 2x horizon class which are expensive. therefore, they decided to go ahead with the cheaper alternative ships which are now known as fremm frigates. the french will convert 2x of the fremm from the last batch into aaw frigates. cheaper aaw frigates, but not as capable as a proper dedicated aaw destroyer.
we don't fight mate. we are like a big family.The Good Old British vs Italian fight
italy is one of very few countries in europe that operates a decent navy (not pathetic ones lol) with a reasonable defence budget. they've also participated in several defence projects, including typhoon aircraft. can't wait to see their aircraft landing and taking off from our carriers.
The Type 45 is a much larger ship than the Horizon and is role specific. The Horizon is multirole, but it is first an AAW and ten other roles. That's not the case with Kolkata class which is supposed to be good in all the roles. You can judge that by the amount of firepower it possesses compared to the other two ships.
In case we do get involved in the GCS or even FREMM, our requirements will move towards inducting the Brahmos-2 on our ships which are hypersonic. Btw, Brahmos also doubles up as a land attack missile. So, the missile itself is multirole and more numbers are carried to take advantage of it.
Even Meteor faces these issues. But I don't see the Europeans complaining about it. Unlike ships, aircraft carry IR countermeasures and can even attempt to shoot down Meteor with IR based missiles. A ship doesn't have that luxury, so the greater advantage is with Brahmos over Meteor.
Our ships carry indigenous EW systems.
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