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The 2 Meteor config is for french planes only, because French air force don't see it so usefull, because the french combat rules often need to positively recognize the target before firing, so in a 50km range.

But some trials were already made with 4 Meteor, and I will not be surprised to see in the coming month a Qatar or Indian plane with four of it.

Thanks for the info..What's the update on IRST system to be included in FSO of ISE upgraded rafales?
What are the specs of the IRST? Will it include passive ranging a la eft's pirate irst...?

Also with indian airforce opting for X-gaurd towed decoy system.. how u find this addition as a considerable increase in rafale's survivability in contest airspace.?
Can this towed decoy be integrated with spectra to further increase rafale's capabilities?
 

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Thanks for the info..What's the update on IRST system to be included in FSO of ISE upgraded rafales?
What are the specs of the IRST? Will it include passive ranging a la eft's pirate irst...?

Also with indian airforce opting for X-gaurd towed decoy system.. how u find this addition as a considerable increase in rafale's survivability in contest airspace.?
Can this towed decoy be integrated with spectra to further increase rafale's capabilities?
We just know that there is a new OSF variant for the indian Rafale (and probably the last french birds). I don't know when it will be ready (probably among the last indian spec to be delivered, near 2022 ?)
The real spec are not known of me. Same for laser ranging capacity.

X towed system : It was a never considered option in France. France air found it is a complicated option, and prefered to opt for electronic active consumable decoy. Is it the best option? I don't know.
The indian system will be integrated in Spectra suite, of course, to avoid interference between the two.
 

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Hope this is not our Rafale B aircraft in production trails


Crazy French safety report: A defense contractor gets offered a joy ride in Rafale B, but fails to strap into seat and helmet properly, then mistakenly yanks ejection handle during negative-g event on take-off climb. Rafale, minus backseat, lands safely.
 

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Crazy French safety report: A defense contractor gets offered a joy ride in Rafale B, but fails to strap into seat and helmet properly, then mistakenly yanks ejection handle during negative-g event on take-off climb. Rafale, minus backseat, lands safely.
Damn what does that say about professionalism of French AF, do they not check if noobs have been at least strapped in and the helmet is on properly?

Seems the pilot was :daru: a bit too much before the flight?
 

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Damn what does that say about professionalism of French AF, do they not check if noobs have been at least strapped in and the helmet is on properly?

Seems the pilot was :daru: a bit too much before the flight?
It's not a pilot problem. He reacts with cool head and skill.

Read the full article before to react as the classical french basher you usually are.
 

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From the same article:

However, this time, due to the “informal” setting of the flight, the usual protocol was not respected. Instead, the passenger was examined by a doctor four hours before the flight. He was declared apt to participate in the flight, under the condition that he would not be submitted to a negative load factor. That information was not communicated to the pilot.

The civilian was already nervous when he entered the cockpit, with his heart rate recorded between 136 and 142 beats per minute. The investigation found that the safety checks of the passenger had been approximate at best. He carried out most of his installation into the cockpit by himself. As a consequence, his visor was up, his anti-g pants were not worn properly, his helmet and oxygen mask were both unattached, and his seat straps were not tight enough.

So wait they allow a civilian who has never been on a jet and don't make sure he is kitted out correctly?

Please obvious pilot and crew negligence.

Any civilian without proper training is bound to be nervous, the least the crew and pilot can do is to make sure he was kitted out correctly and is strapped in correctly. Also the technical issue with the ejection seat is troubling especially when both pilot's lives are at risk in a real emergency. While it's nice the aircraft was saved, still a fix is needed quick.

The fighter jet was set up to, under normal conditions, eject both the pilot and his passenger when one of them pulls on the ejection handle. The BEA-E explains the procedure of a Rafale double ejection in four stages: first, the back canopy is shattered by a line of explosives embedded into the glass, before the passenger seat is ejected. Then, the front canopy is also destroyed, and the pilot seat is the last to leave the fighter jet.

But in this case, the last stage failed and, despite his canopy being ejected, the pilot remained in his seat. Local media reported at the time that the glass of the canopy had slightly injured his hands. Nonetheless, he remained master of his aircraft. “He then remained calm to pilot his plane despite the multitude of failure messages that the on-board computer displays and an unusual aircraft centering following the loss of the rear seat and the canopy,” says the investigation, which analyzed the radio recordings.
 

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It's not a pilot problem. He reacts with cool head and skill.

Read the full article before to react as the classical french basher you usually are.
Probably pilot managed to land the aircraft because of not pulling out the pin?
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Some nice shots from United Arab Emirates. The French Air Force was testing some heat protection gear, Talios designation pod, and also terrain-following-radar above sand desert (wondering what is so special with it ?)

Talios imagery at 2:50.
 
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Damn what does that say about professionalism of French AF, do they not check if noobs have been at least strapped in and the helmet is on properly?

Seems the pilot was :daru: a bit too much before the flight?

That was the job of the ground personnel. Looks like they had too much Cognac... although I must say that the passenger was also an idi0t. I mean if you must wear a seatbelt in your car then the more you need it in a fighter aircraft.... and he is a subcontractor? God help his clients...
 

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The arrival of the first batch of #Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force is likely to be delayed by around three months due to the #COVID19 pandemic, as France battles rising infections and deaths
 

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Virus Impact | First batch of Rafales for India likely to fly in late
The arrival of the first batch of Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force is likely to be delayed by around three months due to the COVID-19 pandemic, as France battles rising infections and deaths, and continuing lockdown restrictions, which have also impacted the training schedule, defence sources said.

“In mid-March there were 8-9 weeks of training left before the first major group could move to India for starting operations here. Some logistic support equipment and test equipment were also to be flown to Ambala beginning April, which is postponed as of now due to the lockdown and restrictions on flights imposed by India,” a defence source told The Hindu on condition of anonymity.


‘No clear timeframe’ ::


In addition, the lockdown restrictions are expected to continue in France at least till the end of April due to severity of the outbreak. “So, it is only obvious that we expect corresponding delay,” the two sources separately stated.

“Taking in the delay due to the lockdown in France, followed by any restrictions on flights and personnel coming from Europe imposed by India, we could be looking at July[for the arrival of the aircraft],” the first source stated, adding that the timeframe was not clear yet.

In October 2019, on a visit to France for the second India-France ministerial-level annual defence dialogue, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh took formal delivery of the first Rafale jet built for the IAF at the Dassault Aviation’s facility in Merignac. The jets were scheduled to arrive in India by May 2020.

In addition, the Defence Ministry had stated that during the dialogue the “French side has agreed to consider the Indian request for 8-10 Meteor missiles to be given to India by 2020 with the first four aircraft”.


May 2020 deadline ::

In November, Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in a written reply to Parliament that three Rafale aircraft have been handed over to the IAF. By May 2020, 24 IAF pilots along with engineers and technicians were scheduled to be trained on the Indian jets in France. Three IAF pilots and two technical officers were trained earlier on French Air Force (FAF) Rafales as per the terms of the contract.

France has been badly hit by the COVID-19 pandemic with over 90,000 confirmed cases and over 13,800 deaths as on Saturday. It has been under lockdown since March 17. The French armed forces have also been affected with the French Defence Ministry confirming on Friday that 50 crew members onboard their sole aircraft carrier, the nuclear-powered Charles de Gaulle, have tested positive.

Diplomatic sources said a civilian staff of Italian origin and two family members with recent travel history had tested positive for COVID-19 at an FAF base outside Paris and the FAF has imposed a series of measures to prevent further spread, including several precautions, curtailed flying and working in shifts.

India has contracted 36 Rafale multi-role fighter jets from France in fly-away condition with 13 India Specific Enhancements (ISE) under a €7.87 billion Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) signed in September 2016. As per the IGA, deliveries begin 36 months from signing of contract and will be completed in 67 months.

Last September, the IAF had resurrected the 17 Squadron ‘Golden arrows’ at Air Force station Ambala which will operate the first Rafale squadron while the second squadron would be based at Hasimara in West Bengal. The Indian standard Rafale with all ISE is operationally expected to be ready latest by September 2021.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...afales-for-India-likely-to-fly-in-late-830148
 

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Coronavirus hits Rafale deliveries to India, first four fighters expected in July, not May
The delivery of the Rafale fighter jets will be pushed back due to the coronavirus crisis. The first four aircraft are likely to land in India by July 2020 and not May as earlier scheduled.

Defence sources told ThePrint on the condition of anonymity that Dassault Aviation’s Bordeaux-Mérignac production facility, which manufactures the Rafale, has been hit by the lockdown in France, which will continue until 11 May.

Sources said the training of Indian personnel on the Rafale has resumed in a limited manner, after being stopped completely for a week-and-a-half late in March. The training flights are operating under strict Covid-19 protocols.


ThePrint had reported on 20 March that the Covid-19 pandemic could impact the delivery of Rafales.


Schedule goes for a toss

The first four Rafales had been formally handed over to India in October 2019, and were set to arrive in May. But now the entire schedule has been sent for a toss.

“The lockdown in France is till 11 May. Even then, one is not sure if everyone will be allowed to join back or will be there any new limits,” an official involved in the Rafale project said.

A second source added: “Even if everything is opened up, there are certain protocols in place that need to be followed. Permissions will also have to be sought from all the countries over which the Rafale will fly. This will take time.”

Four Rafale jets are currently under production at Dassault’s facility, while four others are undergoing trials.


Rafale in India

According to the contract, of the 36 Rafales India has ordered, 11 are to be delivered every year.

The first set of the Rafale aircraft will be commissioned into the 17 Squadron ‘Golden Arrows’ in Ambala, while a second squadron is set to come up in Hasimara, West Bengal, to secure India’s eastern borders.

By integrating the Rafale, the Indian Air Force will have the most potent 4.5-generation fighter aircraft.

Equipped with a wide range of weapons, the Rafale is designed to carry out air dominance, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions. The jet is referred to as an “omnirole” combat aircraft.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...our-fighters-expected-in-July,-not-May-830176
 

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In addition, the Defence Ministry had stated that during the dialogue the “French side has agreed to consider the Indian request for 8-10 Meteor missiles to be given to India by 2020 with the first four aircraft”.
France already has received 60+ missiles. I think it would not be a problem, except if there are differencies between european missiles and exported ones... it's not impossible....
 

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Dassault Aviation Resumes Training Flights for Indian Rafale Pilots
Dassault Aviation has resumed training flights for Indian pilots on the Rafale fighter jet, following disruption in recent weeks owing to the COVID-19 crisis in France.

At Merignac, the (conversion training center) activities started on Monday with a daily mission for two Indian Rafales, in order to meet our contractual obligations for delivery,” Dassault Aviatiion executive chairman Eric Trappier said in an April 8 note to staff on the company website, French website sldinfo reported.

Dassault manufacturing facilities are located at Merignac , a suburb of Bordeaux, southwest France. Flights have also restarted with the ATL2 maritime patrol aircraft and Falcon 900 business jet, both flying from Istres, southern France, he said.

On the training flights, the Merignac authorities had posted a schedule to address local noise concerns, with Indian pilots due to fly from October 2019 to March 2021, with take-off and landing from Bordeaux airport, Monday to Friday between 8.30 am and 6 pm (local time).

Qatari pilots had flown their Rafale training missions from April 8 to June 7, 2019, with three to four flights per week, the Merignac website said.

The first two Rafale jets are expected in India in May this year but it remains to be seen if this schedule can be met. Media reports have said that a delay of a month or two is possible owing to disruptions brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic.

Earlier, Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had accepted the jets on behalf of the Indian Air Force on October 8, 2019. India has ordered 36 jets in total equipped with the latest in weapons, sensors and communication systems.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...Flights_for_Indian_Rafale_Pilots#.XpkwJZnhWUk
 
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