Know Your 'Rafale'

[bhramos]

Mig-29, Mirage-2000, Jaguar, Ouragans, Gnat and Mig-21s. We were the first customers for all these aircraft.

This is what happens when "idiots play war."

What a lame reason to delay the process.

atleast some or most of them were best...

 

[amitkriit]

Mysura Reddy must be investigated by Intel Agencies, he seems to be a CIA plant.

 

[p2prada]

LCA is a small plane like Nano, definatly it would have less maintainance , but MKI is like Tata Safari... it would have more functions and more maintianance....

They say Gripen's costs are around $4000. LCA would be around that figure, maybe lesser.

atleast some or most of them were best...

Except for Ouragan.

Mysura Reddy must be investigated by Intel Agencies, he seems to be a CIA plant.

or MI-6.

 

[Drsomnath999]

Rafale Transformation Squadron increases training capacity with Thales simulators

Farnborough – Thales announces the acceptance by the French defence procurement agency (DGA) of the upgrade to the F3.2 standard of the first two Rafale simulator cabins at the simulation centre in Saint-Dizier. The Rafale Transformation Squadron in Saint-Dizier, which has a total of four cabins, provides training on the Rafale for French Air Force and Navy pilots, offering them a very high level of training in a complex tactical environment.

This upgrade will improve the instruction and training provided to prepare this squadron for the following missions of the Rafale F3:

air-to-sea attack with the AM39 anti-ship missile
reconnaissance with the Reco-NG pod
air support with the Damocles laser targeting pod
nuclear deterrence with the ASMP/A enhanced medium-range air-to-ground missile

The Rafale simulation centre in Landivisiau, which has two simulators, will be upgraded to the F3.2 standard in the summer of 2013.

As the European leader in simulation solutions for the Armed Forces, Thales has been developing training solutions for more than 50 years and offers a broad portfolio of systems from tactical trainers to high-fidelity simulators for numerous platforms. More than 160 military aircraft simulators in 30 countries rely on high-performance systems designed by Thales.
Rafale Transformation Squadron increases training capacity with Thales simulators - Thales Group

 

[sob]

This is all part of the game. Plant some rumors and our Dhotiwalla MOD will immediately suspend all the work on the project.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The cost per flight hour would have been a parameter in the MMRCA selection. Can any guru please compare the cost per flight hour of the Rafale vs competitors and our Su30 MKI? Also what is the projected cost per flight hour for the LCA?

Its interesting..

LCA have least operational costs as it runs on single F404-GE-IN20 engine..

Specific fuel consumption:
# Military thrust: 0.81 lb/(lbf·h) (82.6 kg/(kN·h))
# Full afterburner: 1.74 lb/(lbf·h) (177.5 kg/(kN·h))

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Rafale M88eco engines are very fuel efficient..

Fuel consumption:
# Military thrust: 0.80 kg/(daN*h) (0.78 lbm/(lbf*h)) (dry)
# Full afterburner: 1.75 kg/(daN*h) (1.72 lbm/(lbf*hr)) (wet/afterburning)


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su-30mki have higher operational cost..

Fuel consumption:
Military thrust: 0.67 lb/(lbf·h)
Full afterburner: 1.92 lb/(lbf·h)

 

[Armand2REP]

Let it be known that the fuel comsumption figure for the AL-31 is not measured at military thrust but at its most efficient cruise setting.

 

[sukhish]

I would like france India collaboration in engine design/spec etc in the near future. India can provide the low manufacturing, where as frace has the technical know how.

 

[p2prada]

Let it be known that the fuel comsumption figure for the AL-31 is not measured at military thrust but at its most efficient cruise setting.

So the full afterburner figures are merely cruise settings for Russian aircraft?

 

[Armand2REP]

haha... no! I just realised what was wrong with the figure. The AL-31 TSFC is measured in kg and not lbs. That would have been an absurdly low fuel consumption.

 

[Armand2REP]

MKI is powered by АL-31FP which is 69kg/h.

 

[p2prada]

AL-31F 1.92lb/lbf-h
RD-33 1.82lb/lbf-h
P&W F-100 1.94lb/lbf-h

All 3 figures are from the 90s.

Current figures are even lower for all three.

 

[Armand2REP]

So fuel consumption per hour for each engine at dry thrust...

AL-31FP = 5313 litres per hour
M88-2E4 = 3877 litres per hour

 

[p2prada]

So fuel consumption per hour for each engine at dry thrust...

AL-31FP = 5313 litres per hour
M88-2E4 = 3877 litres per hour

Are you sure about these figures?

Anyway, M88-2E4 is in development now. AL-31FP delivers more thrust and was developed 30 years ago.

 

[Armand2REP]

Are you sure about these figures?

Anyway, M88-2E4 is in development now. AL-31FP delivers more thrust and was developed 30 years ago.

Yes I am sure... hourly fuel consumption is simply TSFC times thrust. Did you really think the AL-31FP would be anywhere close in fuel consumption to an M88-2?

btw, M88-2E4 was qualified in 2001 and been in service since 2004.

 

[p2prada]

Yes I am sure... hourly fuel consumption is simply TSFC times thrust. Did you really think the AL-31FP would be anywhere close in fuel consumption to an M88-2?

Dude. Who thinks that? M88 delivers 75KN, AL-31 delivers 125KN. It is obvious AL-31 will drink more fuel.

You said it yourself, SFC times "thrust."

What I mean is what figures did you use to get to it.

 

[p2prada]

Among all high thrust engines of the older generation like F-110, F-100, AL-31 etc, the AL-31 has the lowest SFC.

M88, EJ-200 etc aren't even in the same class.

D-30F6 is a different beast. The Mig-31 can Supercruise at low afterburner settings and still give lesser SFC than at cruise speeds settings.

 

[Drsomnath999]

Arrival of the first Rafale in Clermont-Ferrand

On 12 July 2012, the industrial workshop of Aeronautics (IAA) in Clermont-Ferrand hosted the first fighter Rafale by air.

This results from the arrival of the Rafale contract to upgrade the Air Force, notified the school in February 2011. To date, these changes were made to work by a detachment of specialists Clermont Air Base 118 of Mont-de-Marsan. After an initial phase making skills, the Rafale car No. C106 becomes the first in a series of 52 aircraft to be modified on the industrial site of Clermont-Ferrand.

After the work given to the last standard of the top ten of Naval Aviation Rafale, started in November 2011, the focal area of "‹"‹the AIA on the aircraft type expands and confirms the major role of the establishment in the maintenance of the newest fleets of hosts.

The site of modification of the Rafale fleet had its beginnings in February 2011 on the airbase Mont-de-Marsan. Since then, thirteen had cars have been upgraded. Today, to help increase the pace and after a period of training to users, the first aircraft landed at the AIA Clermont-Ferrand. This starts a period of four years, will cover the Rafale two-seaters and single seaters.

The changes bring the Rafale enhanced capabilities in the areas of communications, interoperability and data exchange with ground troops.

The AIA Clermont-Ferrand is one of the sites of the aerospace industrial service (SIAé) with those of Bordeaux, Cuers-Pierrefeu Ambérieu, Brittany and central government in Paris.

The main tasks assigned to the AIA are conducted for the benefit of the French armed forces. They consist in the maintenance of aircraft (Mirage 2000, Mirage F1, AlphaJet, Transall, Puma, Gazelle), equipment maintenance and construction of renovations and modifications of aircraft and special facilities to the forces.
Google-Traduction

 

[Drsomnath999]

Bastille day, Rafale and Typhoon over Paris
10:42am, July 14th 2012, as part of the first bastille day parade of French President François Hollande, 2 Royal Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon flew along side 2 Rafale of the French Air Force.
Those Typhoon came from the n°29 squadron based at Coningsby.
No less than 8 Rafale flew this year over the Champs Elysées in all the fighting formations of the aerial parade, illustrating the total versatility reached by the jet in 2012:

reconnaissance / anticipation :

Prevention :

Dissuasion :

Protection :

Intervention :

Pictures of the parade

Rafale News: Bastille day, Rafale and Typhoon over Paris

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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