Know Your 'Rafale'

[MirageBlue]

you know that Dassault could not get any foreign orders until IAF made the decision of going for Rafales. Once India ordered the Rafales then other nations started ordering Rafales. Dassault should be grateful to India for helping Dassault get more foreign orders.

Grateful? IAF evaluated the Rafale along with other fighters and it is to Dassault's credit that they developed a fighter as superb as the Rafale. It was due to that and to the IAF's credit, a very thorough evaluation process that led to the Rafale winning the MRCA competition on parameters.

The Rafale choice for MRCA definitely established the Rafale as the best 4.5 gen fighter in the world, but other nations' air forces have also evaluated the Rafale and found it to be the best option based on their own evaluations. They aren't just looking at the IAF's choice and going for it.

 

[MirageBlue]

Yes that’s true. But happened to read somewhere that Egypt concluded the entire deal from testing to negotiations in just 6 months. We have been struggling for more than 20 years now. Reminds us of the days in India in the late 1970’s when the Jaguar deal was concluded in a record time.

https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/aircraft/current/jaguar-25/#:~:text=The%20memorandum%20of%20intention%20to,be%20manufactured%20at%20Warton%20Lancashire

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Egypt did all that so fast because palms were heavily greased. Pakistan is similar. No bottlenecks exist when kickbacks are there to smoothen the process. Besides, these countries don't have institutions like CAG which will go through the deal with a tooth and comb to find any flaw or deviation from the process and then look to pin the blame on someone. that makes bureaucrats very cautious and sometimes even politicians.

 

[WolfPack86]

RAFALE FIGHTER JET WILL SOON BE MADE IN NAGPUR, SAYS UNION MINISTER NITIN GADKARI
Rafale fighter jets will soon be made in Nagpur, said Union minister Nitin Gadkari on Saturday. “French company Dassault will be manufacturing Rafale fighter jets here that you have witnessed taking off during the Republic Day parade in Delhi,” said Gadkari, while addressing the inaugural of Advantage Vidarbha, an industry event to draw investments.

Gadkari said, at least 1,200 spares of both Airbus and Boeing are also being manufactured at TAAL unit in Mihan-SEZ.

The unit of Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited (DRAL) is in Mihan-SEZ and is a joint venture between France’s Dassault and Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Reliance Group.

During a technical session of the event in which Lt General Vinod Khandare (Retd), principal advisor to ministry of defence was also present, the CEO of DRAL Prakash Lute spoke about plans of making Rafale.

Gadkari noted that 75% of Maharashtra's minerals are located in Vidarbha, making the region increasingly attractive to industries. He predicted that Gadchiroli would become the highest tax-paying district in the state within the next five years due to the influx of industries. Additionally, he mentioned that M/s TAAL unit in Mihan-SEZ is producing 1,200 spares for both Airbus and Boeing aircraft. The Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited (DRAL) unit in Mihan-SEZ, a joint venture between France’s Dassault and Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Reliance Group, is also operational.

Rafale Fighter Jet Will Soon Be Made In Nagpur, Says Union Minister Nitin Gadkari

Rafale fighter jets will soon be made in Nagpur, said Union minister Nitin Gadkari on Saturday. “French company Dassault will be manufacturi...

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[spacemarine2023]

Grateful? IAF evaluated the Rafale along with other fighters and it is to Dassault's credit that they developed a fighter as superb as the Rafale. It was due to that and to the IAF's credit, a very thorough evaluation process that led to the Rafale winning the MRCA competition on parameters.

The Rafale choice for MRCA definitely established the Rafale as the best 4.5 gen fighter in the world, but other nations' air forces have also evaluated the Rafale and found it to be the best option based on their own evaluations. They aren't just looking at the IAF's choice and going for it.

Typhoon and Rafale were only fighters who were able to achieve all parameters set by IAF, main issues for other fighters were encountered in Ladakh
F-16, F-18, Mig-35 and Grypen were not able to show desired capabilities in high altitude region.

Based on low cost of ownership price Rafale was short listed…

 

[MirageBlue]

Typhoon and Rafale were only fighters who were able to achieve all parameters set by IAF, main issues for other fighters were encountered in Ladakh
F-16, F-18, Mig-35 and Grypen were not able to show desired capabilities in high altitude region.

Based on low cost of ownership price Rafale was short listed…

It wasn't just that. Overall the Rafale had better air to ground strike capability than the Eurofighter. Where it lacked versus the Eurofighter was in the HMDS and LDP area where the EF had the Striker HMDS and Litening 4 LDP integrated whereas the Rafale had no HMDS and it's own Damocles LDP at that time. ISE took care of the HMDS aspect but not sure about which LDP the Rafale uses in the IAF.

 

[shade]

Typhoon and Rafale were only fighters who were able to achieve all parameters set by IAF, main issues for other fighters were encountered in Ladakh
F-16, F-18, Mig-35 and Grypen were not able to show desired capabilities in high altitude region.

Based on low cost of ownership price Rafale was short listed…

It wasn't just that. Overall the Rafale had better air to ground strike capability than the Eurofighter. Where it lacked versus the Eurofighter was in the HMDS and LDP area where the EF had the Striker HMDS and Litening 4 LDP integrated whereas the Rafale had no HMDS and it's own Damocles LDP at that time. ISE took care of the HMDS aspect but not sure about which LDP the Rafale uses in the IAF.

Dealing with one chad "neutral" country for supplies and spares
VS
Dealing with 4 countries each with their random human rights drama or PRODUCSHAN LINE DOWN SAAAAR
Each of which can cockblock your airforce partially for spares and fully if you're purchasing full jets

Sunak urges Germany to approve £5bn Eurofighter sale to Saudis

Rishi Sunak has privately urged the German chancellor to unlock a flagship delivery of Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets to Saudi Arabia.The prime minister has pu

www.thetimes.co.uk

German greens to block sales of Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia

The jet was jointly developed by British, German, Italian and Spanish firms, and the consent of all four is needed to export the planes

www.telegraph.co.uk

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-rewards-saudi-arabia-its-constructive-israel-stance-lifting-arms-export-ban

 

[IndianHawk]

It wasn't just that. Overall the Rafale had better air to ground strike capability than the Eurofighter. Where it lacked versus the Eurofighter was in the HMDS and LDP area where the EF had the Striker HMDS and Litening 4 LDP integrated whereas the Rafale had no HMDS and it's own Damocles LDP at that time. ISE took care of the HMDS aspect but not sure about which LDP the Rafale uses in the IAF.

Also rafale had aesa radar ready when iaf evaluated it. Typhoon is still in the process of getting aesa. Tejas mk1a is getting aesa radar in same timeframe as typhoon

 

[MirageBlue]

Dealing with one chad "neutral" country for supplies and spares
VS
Dealing with 4 countries each with their random human rights drama or PRODUCSHAN LINE DOWN SAAAAR
Each of which can cockblock your airforce partially for spares and fully if you're purchasing full jets

Sunak urges Germany to approve £5bn Eurofighter sale to Saudis

Rishi Sunak has privately urged the German chancellor to unlock a flagship delivery of Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets to Saudi Arabia.The prime minister has pu

www.thetimes.co.uk

German greens to block sales of Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia

The jet was jointly developed by British, German, Italian and Spanish firms, and the consent of all four is needed to export the planes

www.telegraph.co.uk

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-rewards-saudi-arabia-its-constructive-israel-stance-lifting-arms-export-ban

Yes that is a huge issue when it comes to the EF consortium. Best avoided.

 

[DumbPilot]

Might be a 3K or 6K DBFM, with the Rafale starting out behind the F-16.

 

[jouy31]

Serbia could become the 8th export customer. Subject to contract signature before the end of June

Serbia says it's close to a deal to buy French-made fighter jets. That would be a shift from Russia

Serbian president says his country is close to signing a deal on the purchase of 12 French Rafale multi-purpose fighter jets in what would mark a shift from its traditional arms supplier Russia.

apnews.com

 

[MirageBlue]

Serbia could become the 8th export customer. Subject to contract signature before the end of June

Serbia says it's close to a deal to buy French-made fighter jets. That would be a shift from Russia

Serbian president says his country is close to signing a deal on the purchase of 12 French Rafale multi-purpose fighter jets in what would mark a shift from its traditional arms supplier Russia.

apnews.com

Nice..first Croatia then Serbia.

Next whom? Turkey after Greece? Lol.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Censored Rafale.

 

[BON PLAN]

RAFALE FIGHTER JET WILL SOON BE MADE IN NAGPUR, SAYS UNION MINISTER NITIN GADKARI
Rafale fighter jets will soon be made in Nagpur, said Union minister Nitin Gadkari on Saturday. “French company Dassault will be manufacturing Rafale fighter jets here that you have witnessed taking off during the Republic Day parade in Delhi,” said Gadkari, while addressing the inaugural of Advantage Vidarbha, an industry event to draw investments.

Gadkari said, at least 1,200 spares of both Airbus and Boeing are also being manufactured at TAAL unit in Mihan-SEZ.

The unit of Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited (DRAL) is in Mihan-SEZ and is a joint venture between France’s Dassault and Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Reliance Group.

During a technical session of the event in which Lt General Vinod Khandare (Retd), principal advisor to ministry of defence was also present, the CEO of DRAL Prakash Lute spoke about plans of making Rafale.

Gadkari noted that 75% of Maharashtra's minerals are located in Vidarbha, making the region increasingly attractive to industries. He predicted that Gadchiroli would become the highest tax-paying district in the state within the next five years due to the influx of industries. Additionally, he mentioned that M/s TAAL unit in Mihan-SEZ is producing 1,200 spares for both Airbus and Boeing aircraft. The Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited (DRAL) unit in Mihan-SEZ, a joint venture between France’s Dassault and Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Reliance Group, is also operational.

Rafale Fighter Jet Will Soon Be Made In Nagpur, Says Union Minister Nitin Gadkari

Rafale fighter jets will soon be made in Nagpur, said Union minister Nitin Gadkari on Saturday. “French company Dassault will be manufacturi...

www.indiandefensenews.in

Dassault try to purchase all the shares in DRAL. Once made, Trappier (Dassault CEO) say Rafale can be built in India at a rate of 2/month.

Trappier words are rare. If he say that, I think it smells good to win a big order, maybe MMRCA2. Maybe with the 27 more for IN.
That means at least 6 years of production when at full rate (The beginning will be slower : 6 first year, then 12 then 24). The whole after a raw materials and sub assembly lead time of 3 years.

 

[MirageBlue]

Dassault try to purchase all the shares in DRAL. Once made, Trappier (Dassault CEO) say Rafale can be built in India at a rate of 2/month.

Trappier words are rare. If he say that, I think it smells good to win a big order, maybe MMRCA2. Maybe with the 27 more for IN.
That means at least 6 years of production when at full rate (The beginning will be slower : 6 first year, then 12 then 24). The whole after a raw materials and sub assembly lead time of 3 years.

Could you provide the link to that video or article where Eric Trappier said that?

 

[BON PLAN]

Could you provide the link to that video or article where Eric Trappier said that?

I've lost the news, and not spent enough time to find it so far. wait and see a little please.

 

[BON PLAN]

I've lost the news, and not spent enough time to find it so far. wait and see a little please.

sole "source" find so far....

Dassault Pushes for 100% Stake in DRAL, Pledges Faster Rafale Production in India – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[MirageBlue]

sole "source" find so far....

Dassault Pushes for 100% Stake in DRAL, Pledges Faster Rafale Production in India – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

I don't trust IDRW one bit. They regularly make up fictitious stories to keep getting views. And of course they plagiarise content. They used to regularly steal content from Bharat Rakshak forum and post it on their website as original content. Shameless fellows.

 

[MirageBlue]

India and France to begin negotiations on the contract for 26 Rafale M for the Indian Navy

https://aninews.in/news/world/asia/india-france-to-begin-negotiations-this-week-in-mega-rs-50000-crore-26-rafale-marine-jet-deal20240528142127/

 

[BON PLAN]

I don't trust IDRW one bit. They regularly make up fictitious stories to keep getting views. And of course they plagiarise content. They used to regularly steal content from Bharat Rakshak forum and post it on their website as original content. Shameless fellows.

It's the sole source find so far. The rest are leaks from Dassault members....
But there are some thrustable datas in this news, as the number of Rafale made and the objective (13 against 15). So if this part is true, why not the rest?

 

[BON PLAN]

India and France to begin negotiations on the contract for 26 Rafale M for the Indian Navy

https://aninews.in/news/world/asia/india-france-to-begin-negotiations-this-week-in-mega-rs-50000-crore-26-rafale-marine-jet-deal20240528142127/

same news from IDRW .....

India-France negotiations for Rs 50k-cr 26 navy Rafales to start next week – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org