JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Neelkanth]

Mighty JF Blunder fan boys here with 50+ aircrafts wich is worse than Mig 21 UPGs. No Comparison with others.

Has FBW only in Pitch axis wow, that space age stuff. Block I not BVR capable yet. Block Two is capable but is its so secret the pilot even doesn't know but only our fanboys do. There is no comparison. To begin with the "block 1 is as good as flying targets"

 

[Dazzler]

this is more applicable to you when you say that JF 17 radar can see 140 KM. Yes i have quoted the figures 21 Second horizontal loop 17 second vertical loop. sudden change in direction double spin in 2 second and vertical climb for 20 second. This is my definition . It may not fit into your definition of 26 second slow speed horizontal loop and 26 second vertical loop of 270*. Now go and discuss with your brethren on PDF.

is this the reason why you got so butthurt on a simple query?

 

[Neelkanth]

unfortunately, an untrained eye blinded by patriotism cannot distinguish between a poorly executed maneuver and a skillful one. Can you define aircraft maneuverability for me?

Yes absolutely. It make one see a modified Mig 21 as a 4 the Aircraft, makes one think that some how a flying tin can is the best thing to happen since sliced bread.

 

[Dazzler]

Mighty JF Blunder fan boys here with 50+ aircrafts wich is worse than Mig 21 UPGs. No Comparison with others.

Has FBW only in Pitch axis wow, that space age stuff. Block I not BVR capable yet. Block Two is capable but is its so secret the pilot even doesn't know but only our fanboys do. There is no comparison. To begin with the "block 1 is as good as flying targets"

when you make a tall claim of it being inferior to your mig 21s, you should provide some evidence to prove your point. in what way is it inferior to the Mig 21?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

unfortunately, an untrained eye blinded by patriotism cannot distinguish between a poorly executed maneuver and a skillful one. Can you define aircraft maneuverability for me?

Look here what chinese themselves have to say about their fighter Which they themselves do not want to Deploy.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...as-and-china's-xiaolong-fighters-compare.html


Conclusion

The Tejas is a light multirole fighter fit for the 21st century. It uses a lot of new technology and innovation, such as its use of large amounts of composite materials, its advanced avionics system and its unique aerodynamic configuration. In terms of functionality, the LCA Tejas has good potential to be expanded into variants. For example, at a time when the air force version is yet to be commissioned widely, a ship-based version of the aircraft has already been released. The Xiaolong is a third-generation model designed for the international market. The use of off-the-shelf materials not only cuts costs but also reduces risks in the design process and improves the reliability of the aircraft. This will not make it the best aircraft, but rather a standard, cheap and reliable model for air-to-air combat. In summation, the Xiaolong is the aircraft of today and the Tejas is the aircraft of tomorrow.

 

[Dazzler]

Yes absolutely. It make one see a modified Mig 21 as a 4 the Aircraft, makes one think that some how a flying tin can is the best thing to happen since sliced bread.

i feel pity for your IQ, if you have any left that is. Thou hath quoted wikipedia as a source to your claim. Thou shall be punished.

 

[Bornubus]

And where is the proof for range of PL-10 ?

sd-10 is a version of pl-12, not the pl-10 which was a poor copy of the original aspide missile, which itself was a copy of american AIM-7 Sparrow semi active air to air missile.

An Indian member asked the credible link for SD 10 Range ..... this was his @Dazzler his link.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

when you make a tall claim of it being inferior to your mig 21s, you should provide some evidence to prove your point. in what way is it inferior to the Mig 21?

The proof is that CHina uses Mig 21 today but do not use your super duper 4.5 generation JF 17. Can there be any big proof than this one? Better you pity your plane than his IQ.

 

[Bornubus]

it is baseline r-77, not the VV AE

We had RVV AE for long this is a 2009 link.Now stot spamming your own thread.


The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a "cost of Rs 2 crore each" but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the "operational preparedness" of the IAF.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...ave-homing-ageing-problems-cag-report/490055/

 

[Dazzler]

Look here what chinese themselves have to say about their fighter Which they themselves do not want to Deploy.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...as-and-china's-xiaolong-fighters-compare.html


Conclusion

The Tejas is a light multirole fighter fit for the 21st century. It uses a lot of new technology and innovation, such as its use of large amounts of composite materials, its advanced avionics system and its unique aerodynamic configuration. In terms of functionality, the LCA Tejas has good potential to be expanded into variants. For example, at a time when the air force version is yet to be commissioned widely, a ship-based version of the aircraft has already been released. The Xiaolong is a third-generation model designed for the international market. The use of off-the-shelf materials not only cuts costs but also reduces risks in the design process and improves the reliability of the aircraft. This will not make it the best aircraft, but rather a standard, cheap and reliable model for air-to-air combat. In summation, the Xiaolong is the aircraft of today and the Tejas is the aircraft of tomorrow.

you missed the sarcasm, he made fun of the tejas by calling it a fighter of tomorrow, means it is not in service and will be so in the future. Got it?

 

[Dazzler]

The proof is that CHina uses Mig 21 today but do not use your super duper 4.5 generation JF 17. Can there be any big proof than this one? Better you pity your plane than his IQ.

not convincing enough, bring out more proof.

 

[Dazzler]

We had RVV AE for long this is a 2009 link.Now stot spamming your own thread.


The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a "cost of Rs 2 crore each" but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the "operational preparedness" of the IAF.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...ave-homing-ageing-problems-cag-report/490055/

those were the ones that your navy is not happy about cuz of small shell life and niggles. did you read the article>?

 

[Dazzler]

The proof is that CHina uses Mig 21 today but do not use your super duper 4.5 generation JF 17. Can there be any big proof than this one? Better you pity your plane than his IQ.

http://www.catic.cn/indexPortal/hom...d=4294&columnType=102&likeType=view&ckw=ATAM#

 

[Neelkanth]

when you make a tall claim of it being inferior to your mig 21s, you should provide some evidence to prove your point. in what way is it inferior to the Mig 21?

Your trained eye should have known but i guess any thing from Chinese masters are a bliss... The Fishbed has better performance even with an older Engine.

The Tall Claim is that its a 4 Gen Fighter, :biggrin2: and yes it makes the radar glow like a Christmas tree, the all metal finish is great.

Here

 

[Rushil51]

you missed the sarcasm, he made fun of the tejas by calling it a fighter of tomorrow, means it is not in service and will be so in the future. Got it?

The article also concludes that Tejas is better than JF-17. Hope you didn't miss that

 

[Neelkanth]

i feel pity for your IQ, if you have any left that is. Thou hath quoted wikipedia as a source to your claim. Thou shall be punished.

Really, Coming from some one whose has no Idea how Radars work but was going gaga over it. Seriously, I am not hiring Pakistani Engineers... ever. In any of my offices.

 

[Neelkanth]

The article also concludes that Tejas is better than JF-17. Hope you didn't miss that

He will conveniently ignore on what offends his masters Jet plane. or his own notions.

 

[Rushil51]

I think we should also make sure that the discussion does not become personal. Please avoid using personal insults

 

[Dazzler]

Your trained eye should have known but i guess any thing from Chinese masters are a bliss... The Fishbed has better performance even with an older Engine.

The Tall Claim is that its a 4 Gen Fighter, :biggrin2: and yes it makes the radar glow like a Christmas tree, the all metal finish is great.

Here View attachment 7500

thats some proof you have there. hats off to your ability to compare things

 

[Bornubus]

We had RVV AE for long this is a 2009 link.Now

More brainfart from You.This is a 2009 report after which we have bought more R 77 and R27 (100 Km plus) from Russia and Ukraine.

The report clearly stated RVV AE were bought after kargil war,we had no naval warplane to use R 77 only Mig 29k was inducted recently.

Read this -It was fitted on IAF MKI and Bison


The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a "cost of Rs 2 crore each" but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the "operational preparedness" of the IAF.