JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars if True then.

 

[spacemarine2023]

Reposting it here,



Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China

Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China

The $25-million jets arrived with structural problems but post-coup sanctions and a lack of local expertise make it impossible to fix them, ex-Air Force pilots say.

www.irrawaddy.com

The critical part of the JF-17 avionics is the China-made KLJ-7 Al radar, which has poor accuracy and maintenance problems, analysts say. The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar.

Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces, according to a former pilot of the Myanmar Air Force.

full article

both JF-17 Block C and J10C carry an air cooled AESA radar due to energy requirement is too high to be satisfactory by Russian and Chinese engines,
Air Cooled AESA will not be able to function at top of its game …
Whatever the published ranges etc. are their peak performance which in actual missions are not achievable … chinese have fleeced Pakis pretty bad

 

[Hari Sud]

Ya'll Nibbiars if True then.

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Finally who sold them the furnance or they never purchased one.

 

[Haldilal]

Finally who sold them the furnance or they never purchased one.

Ya'll Nibbiars The Chinese are the only one theu cam dependent even now.

 

[lcafanboy]

Bankrupt nation Pakistani Paf to get 5th generation J-35 fighters soon, while $4 trillion economy Indian iaf is struggling to induct 4.75 gen Rafales Irony of our times...

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Bankrupt nation Pakistani Paf to get 5th generation J-35 fighters soon, while $4 trillion economy Indian iaf is struggling to induct 4.75 gen Rafales Irony of our times...

It is a Chinese fifth generation plane so you can consider it equivalent to 3.5 generation plane. In an exercise in China, J-20 scored 3.5 to 1 kill ratio against 3rd generation Chinese plane. F 22 has it more than 100. This is the quality of Chinese 5th generation plane. Chinese 5th generation planes are 5th generation planes without any 5th generation plane stuff in it including engine, weapons electronics, RCS etc.

 

[lcafanboy]

Indications and trolling started .

 

[lcafanboy]

It is a Chinese fifth generation plane so you can consider it equivalent to 3.5 generation plane. In an exercise in China, J-20 scored 3.5 to 1 kill ratio against 3rd generation Chinese plane. F 22 has it more than 100. This is the quality of Chinese 5th generation plane. Chinese 5th generation planes are 5th generation planes without any 5th generation plane stuff in it including engine, weapons electronics, RCS etc.

Don't underestimate Chinese fighters. They had access to F35 technologies through various espionage that they have done and Lockheed Martin had downed their pants by outsourcing many parts from China so they have technologies.

Maybe Porkistan will be be IOC standard LSP version that they may have made earlier which were not that advanced. But in any case will be psychological disadvantage for iaf....

 

[Azaad]

Don't underestimate Chinese fighters. They had access to F35 technologies through various espionage that they have done and Lockheed Martin had downed their pants by outsourcing many parts from China so they have technologies.

Maybe Porkistan will be be IOC standard LSP version that they may have made earlier which were not that advanced. But in any case will be psychological disadvantage for iaf....

The IAF in it's internal assessment has concluded that the J-20 as it exists TODAY is a 4.5 ++ Gen FA & more importantly the Rafale is good enough to deal with it .

The J-31 was conceived as an export version to begin with . We can be sure whatever goes into the export versions will be inferior to the ones the Chinese use , assuming the Chinese get down to inducting the J-31. However the J-31 isn't expected to make its debut before the end of the decade.

 

[Gyyan]

The IAF in it's internal assessment has concluded that the J-20 as it exists TODAY is a 4.5 ++ Gen FA & more importantly the Rafale is good enough to deal with it .

The J-31 was conceived as an export version to begin with . We can be sure whatever goes into the export versions will be inferior to the ones the Chinese use , assuming the Chinese get down to inducting the J-31. However the J-31 isn't expected to make its debut before the end of the decade.

This cope will help them get more gold plated rafales faster and not making AMCA on war footing

 

[Narasimh]

Indications and trolling started .

Ok.. now finally they will take Kashmir

 

[Azaad]

This cope will help them get more gold plated rafales faster and not making AMCA on war footing

In any case , the AMCA was never projected to be in service by this decade. The original plan was to get between 200-250 FGFA & ~ 180 Rafales beginning early this decade.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

In any case , the AMCA was never projected to be in service by this decade. The original plan was to get between 200-250 FGFA & ~ 180 Rafales beginning early this decade.

Even with the begging bowl they will still buy this and deploy it in 5 years.
Shitna will practically give this jets away on loan, same happened with J10

 

[patriots]

Pakistani s got their j10c in record time
I won't be surprised,if they get first batch of j 31 this year only

 

[Concard]

Pakistani s got their j10c in record time
I won't be surprised,if they get first batch of j 31 this year only

J10C production line is still open. So getting J10C early isn't much of a surprise. It is far cheaper to operate single engine fighter than a double engine fighter. That is why they have kept the J10C production line still open. As far as J31 don't make me laugh. They are pouring more resources into J-20 to make it more potent. That J31 was more of a concept plane. Even if they invest in J31 it won't be ready before 2035 in the best case scenario. Having said that do Porki morons think they can afford and operate J31? Their air force is fully dependent on F-16 fighters. Their economy doesn't allow increase in military budget for another 10 years that is provided they get their shit together. Every 6 months they are taking on debt. And this J10C acquisition is also based on debt which will have to be repaid every year.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

J10C production line is still open. So getting J10C early isn't much of a surprise. It is far cheaper to operate single engine fighter than a double engine fighter. That is why they have kept the J10C production line still open. As far as J31 don't make me laugh. They are pouring more resources into J-20 to make it more potent. That J31 was more of a concept plane. Even if they invest in J31 it won't be ready before 2035 in the best case scenario. Having said that do Porki morons think they can afford and operate J31? Their air force is fully dependent on F-16 fighters. Their economy doesn't allow increase in military budget for another 10 years that is provided they get their shit together. Every 6 months they are taking on debt. And this J10C acquisition is also based on debt which will have to be repaid every year.

There can not be any batter news than Porkies spending their money on Junk Chinese weapon. JF 17 had cracks in its body. Chinese AWACS which Pakistan had purchased a decade ago are now being retired. The Pakistan who still operates Mirage V has retired Chinese made AWACS which tells us a lot about Chinese quality.

Pakistan to retire its entire Chinese ZDK-03 AEW&C fleet after just 12 years of service

Compatibility issues between Chinese-made systems and Pakistan's Western air defence components might have led to ZDK-03s' early retirement. Check details

www.republicworld.com

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The problem with Russia is that they do not want to make their plane latest and equip them latest electronics. We had proposed some changes to be made in PAKFA to make it FAGFA but they were not interested so we had to opt out. Had Russia agreed to our terms and conditions, They would have a far batter plane in their inventory. We wanted to replicate what we did with Su 30 in PAKFA but Russian did not convince. They still focuses on make planes highly maneuverable, agile and fast. They are not yet focusing on Electronics and weapons the way it should have been in current era which keeps Russian weapons less than contemporary. Russian plane are one generation behind in electronics than what their platforms are. When Mig 29 was launched, one western had rightly described Mig 29 as 4th generation platform with 3rd generation electronics.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

J10C production line is still open. So getting J10C early isn't much of a surprise. It is far cheaper to operate single engine fighter than a double engine fighter. That is why they have kept the J10C production line still open. As far as J31 don't make me laugh. They are pouring more resources into J-20 to make it more potent. That J31 was more of a concept plane. Even if they invest in J31 it won't be ready before 2035 in the best case scenario. Having said that do Porki morons think they can afford and operate J31? Their air force is fully dependent on F-16 fighters. Their economy doesn't allow increase in military budget for another 10 years that is provided they get their shit together. Every 6 months they are taking on debt. And this J10C acquisition is also based on debt which will have to be repaid every year.

J31 first flight and prototyping is already done.
This jet was made for export purpose only, as soon as they close j10c line j31 manufacturing can start.
So realistically porkies can get it within 3-5 years

 

[Azaad]

 

[Satish Sharma]