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ahmedsid

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Mr. Musharaf If there are More Kargils, then Insha Allah, more 1971s will Follow, Dont worry about it.

Amar Singh should be applauded for asking this Question. I love Musharaf as a writer, but as a General I rate him Poorly. He is not farsighted, he just wants immediate results, as we can see from Kargil. Kudos to all the people who asked him the "uncomfortable" questions!
 

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Mr. Musharaf If there are More Kargils, then Insha Allah, more 1971s will Follow, Dont worry about it.

Amar Singh should be applauded for asking this Question. I love Musharaf as a writer, but as a General I rate him Poorly. He is not farsighted, he just wants immediate results, as we can see from Kargil. Kudos to all the people who asked him the "uncomfortable" questions!
Ahmed, tension mat le... it's only a political statement. I guess Musharraf still harbours hopes of coming back to power and that's what he's doing. Playing to his Pakistani gallery.

Remember, India is not the most loved country right now in Pakistan, and it never was. So, the easiest way to score brownie points with the Pakistani electorate is to make such sweeping statements. Of course, this doesn't make him very popular with us, but that's not what he's aiming for. Being popular in India is no good for him.

So, ignore the chap and consider it a ranting from a little child.

Anyways, Musharraf in a certain way WAS better for India. Because he atleast used to keep some kind of hold on the Jihadi powers. He didn't exactly give them a free run like it seems to be the case now with the civilian government. So, if Mushy comes back, I won't be a disappointed chap.
 

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Valley violence at all-time low, Army starts to thin out troops

New Delhi: With violence levels in the Valley at an all-time low, the Army is relocating and thinning out troops engaged in counter-terrorism operations in Kashmir. Close to 3,000 troops deployed in the Valley have been relocated to the Line of Control with the Army moving out its 70 Infantry Brigade from Shopian in south Kashmir.
The move has taken place keeping in mind the changing “threat perception” in the Valley where militancy-related incidents have dropped to their lowest since the 1990s when the separatist movement was at its peak.

The 70 Infantry Brigade was moved out in February, barely a month after Army chief General Deepak Kapoor said that barring an odd aberration, violence levels in the state had come down more than 50 per cent compared to the previous year.

Sources said the headquarters of the Shopian-based brigade, which played a decisive role in the Kargil conflict, has moved to Leh. The brigade, whose earlier role was to support the Rashtriya Rifles (RR) in counter-militancy operations in the Valley, has now been tasked to guard the border.

“Troop movements or relocations take place according to the changing security environment. It is a dynamic process,” a senior Army officer said, confirming that the brigade had been moved out of the Valley.
Even though infiltration levels came down 65 per cent last year, the Army is looking to strengthen its counter-infiltration grid along the Line of Control, given the deteriorating situation in Pakistan.

While official figures show that violence levels are at their lowest, the heavy turnout in the recent Assembly elections in the state has again underlined that militancy is on the decline in the Valley. Just over 20 militant-related incidents took place during the elections as against nearly 150 attacks that marred the 2002 polls. Srinagar, too, has not witnessed any major Terror strike since 2005.

With violence levels steadily declining, paramilitary and state police forces are being assigned a larger role in maintaining security within the state. The Army, for example, has been replaced by paramilitary forces in major towns.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/valley-violence-at-alltime-low-army-starts-to-thin-out-troops/433885/
 

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Clashes leave 19 dead in IHK

Tuesday, March 24, 2009


SRINAGAR: The death toll from days of fierce fighting between troops and militants in Indian-held Kashmir has risen to 19, the army said on Monday. The three separate gun battles broke out on Saturday and followed a cross-border firing incident that left an Indian soldier injured.

“The three encounters (gun battles) have left eight soldiers and eleven militants dead since the fighting started on Saturday,” army spokesman JS Brar told reporters in Srinagar. The gun battles took place in Kupwara, which borders Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Brar said the operation by hundreds of troops in the thickly forested area was continuing. afp


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\03\24\story_24-3-2009_pg7_11
 

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Lashkar hand in J&K encounter, group warns of more attacks on army

25 Mar 2009, 1140 hrs IST, AFP


SRINAGAR: Hardline Pakistan-based terrorist group Laskar-e-Taiba warned on Wednesday of fresh attacks against Indian troops, and said its fighters were responsible for days of fighting in Kashmir.

Eight soldiers and 17 terrorists were killed in gunbattle that started on Saturday in Kashmir's Kupwara district, close to the Line of Control (LoC).

Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) said its members were involved in the fighting, one of the fiercest in recent years.

"The gunbattle should serve as a message to India that struggle for Kashmir's freedom is on with full vigour," Lashkar spokesman Abdullah Ghaznavi said, warning of more attacks on Indian troops.

He was speaking by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Ghaznavi said Lashkar members had initiated the gunbattle by ambushing an army column in the forest area.

He said the fighting left 25 Indian soldiers and ten Lashkar men dead.

The Indian army said eight soldiers and 17 rebels were killed, and that the operation was launched by the soldiers after they were tipped off.

The Indian government has blamed the terror outfit for the deadly attacks in Mumbai late last year that killed over 180 people. It has denied any role in the attacks.


Lashkar hand in J&K encounter, group warns of more attacks on army - India - The Times of India

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LeT owns up to Kupwara, Army fears worst not over

Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 13:24


New Delhi: Terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Toiba has claimed responsibility for the six-day long gunbattle between the Indian Army and terrorists in Kupwara, Jammu and Kashmir.

Seventeen terrorists and eight Armymen are reported to have been killed in the gunbattle - one of the bloodiest in recent months.

The LeT on Tuesday sent a letter to a local newspaper in Kashmir last night owning up to the encounter. In the letter to Kashmiri daily Rising Kashmir, LeT spokesman Dr Abdullah Gaznavi writes, “We received prior information about the army movement and laid an ambush in the forest. Indian forces have lost 25 army men including a Major while 50 of them have been injured. Ten LeT Mujahideen also achieved martyrdom in the gunfight. India should understand that the freedom struggle in Kashmir is not over. It is active with full force”.

While firing in the area has stopped, combing operations are on in the area. Four AK-47 rifles and some ammunition have so far been recovered from the site.

Among those killed are Major Mohit Sharma, a decorated Army officer and a 19-year-old trooper of the special forces Shabir Malik.

In a press conference organised by the Indian Army on Wednesday, Brigadier Gurmeet Singh confirmed the death toll and said most terrorists had been gunned down.

“The weapons that have been recovered from the terrorists in the two encounters signal that they were trained,” Singh said adding the infiltrators included “foreign militants”.

In what seemed to be a confirmation of Gaznavi’s warning, Brig Singh said Army feared an infiltration attempt by 300-400 terrorists in the area.


LeT owns up to Kupwara, Army fears worst not over

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:mad: #@$tard sons of b*tche$!!! I would rip these f@ggots a new piggy bank and fill it with some of my black gold!
 

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It's an armed intrusion, like Kargil, in Kashmir

New Delhi: It is no more an 'intrusion' of terrorists into Kashmir. It is 'armed intrusion'.


The last time the government used such a term emphatically was during the Kargil war in 1999.

The army has moved up almost 800 Rashtriya Rifles men to deal with the onslaught.
Television reports said encounters between the infiltrators and security forces were on at eight locations and that commandos were being air-dropped.

Reluctant to brand them as Taliban, top government officials here admit that qualitatively different types of terrorists are intruding into Kashmir this year.

Many are beginning to call the entry of heavily armed, seasoned terrorists as "armed intrusions", shedding their otherwise preferred, and milder, nomenclature.

Sources said there is no confirmation if the over 20 hardcore terrorists who entered Kashmir in March-April are of the Taliban. "But there are indications that they are not from the traditional militant bases of Punjab and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir," a senior official said.

Two intercepts of conversations between terrorists in the valley indicate as much. One of them tells the other that the intruders are "Taliban" but it could be their way of referring to a 'foreign' fighter, establishment analysts pointed out. "We have heard them referring to Qaeda but that has turned out to be false," the official said.

At the highest levels there is concern about the changing pattern, including the fact that groups of an unusually large number of heavily armed terrorists are crossing the Line of Control into India.

Army says the large-scale infiltration in Jammu and Kashmir is actually armed intrusion.
"We can no more call it infiltration. They are armed intrusions," said a source. "They are ready to fight their way into the valley when challenged by the army," he pointed out.
Last week, the home secretary, defence secretary and senior officers met key security officials in Jammu & Kashmir to discuss the new trend. An unusually large number of them -- over two dozen in some cases -- are coming together and putting up a stiff fight with the army when intercepted. They would sneak into the valley in groups of five or six. Some get killed, but many enter Kashmir. "They could be terrorists from the North West Frontier Province and Baluchistan, hired for a payment, to step up violence," said an intelligence source. It could be also be the Taliban. "It doesn't make a qualitative difference to us. They are hardcore terrorists capable of putting up unusually violent attacks," said an army officer.

Veteran terrorists are being sent in along with less experienced or fresh recruits of other groups such as the Hizbul Mujahideen. "The veterans may have escaped. The less experienced have been killed by agencies," said a senior official in the security establishment.

Last month in Kupwara, security forces gunned down 18 terrorists and eight soldiers were killed in an encounter. Similar intensive cases of infiltration have been intercepted in Gurez and Handwara recently.

The government believes that Pakistani terror groups, especially the Lashkar-e-Taiba, in collusion with a section of the Pakistan army and Inter Services Intelligence, may be pushing these hardcore terrorists into India. Some could be entering India to escape the tightening grip of security forces and increasing American attacks in that country.

With this infiltration, terror attacks in J&K and elsewhere in India could significantly increase this summer, according to intelligence assessments. The new entrants could try to disrupt the elections. There is no concrete evidence, though home minister P Chidambaram generally cautioned political leaders.

There were three major infiltration bids involving large groups in recent weeks. The operation has entered the fourth day in Lolab Valley of Kupwara, where another big, heavily armed group had entered.

Analysts believe that 20 to 40 veteran terror operatives may have sneaked into J&K in March-April.

Muzammil, an alias of a senior Lashkar operative who may have played a key role in the Mumbai attacks, is among those steering this aggressive infiltration. But there is no evidence to show it is the same Muzammil. Many key Lashkar leaders are behind bars or their movement is restricted.

Investigators, however, have substantial evidence against Zarar Shah, coordinator of the Mumbai attacks.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1246454
 

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Around 900 militants holed up in Kashmir

NEW DELHI/ CHANDIGARH: Officials say the ‘‘tactical’’ aim of militants trying to infiltrate into J&K is to disrupt the Lok Sabha polls in the
Valley, in particular, which stretch from April 16 to May 13. At the same time, the possibility of terrorists gaining quick access through Rajasthan and Punjab to launch terror strikes in the mainland is not ruled out. There were also speculation about Taliban men infiltrating into Kashmir but this is denied by top officials in Delhi.

That last year’s J&K assembly polls were successful and largely violence-free has not gone down well with Pakistan’s ISI-Army complex. At that time Pakistan was under US pressure not to create a “diversion” with India and remain focussed on the war against al-Qaida-Taliban. Satellite intercepts had pointed to considerable heartburn among jehadi groups.

It is also felt that by heating up the LoC and instigating long-drawn firefights, the larger ‘‘strategic’’ game, covertly guided by Pakistan, could be to drag Kashmir on to US President Barack Obama’s agenda by bolstering Islamabad’s argument that the Af-Pak theatre was linked to Kashmir. This, Pakistani agencies hope, could lead to Washington pressuring New Delhi to resolve the “regional hotspot”.

The violence levels in J&K have certainly shot up. Army and intelligence estimates indicate there are already around 800-900 militants present in J&K, with around 48% of them being of foreign origin. Moreover, another 400 or so from Lashkar, Hizb and Al-Badr cadres are waiting on the “launch pads” along the LoC for an opportunity to cross over. There are still around 40 terror-training camps directed against India operating on Pakistan’s soil.

The recent winter-infiltration tactics of the militants, clad in multi-layered winter clothing, equipped with even ice-axes have become a source of concern for the security forces. “Militants used to infiltrate in larger numbers before the LoC fence was erected in 2004. Since then, with the fence slowing them down, the strategy shifted to sneak across in small groups,” said a senior officer.

“But suddenly, this year, larger groups of 20-30 militants are trying to infiltrate in one go. They are much better trained and equipped, almost like regular soldiers now. If they are detected, they are ready to hold ground and fight back from positions of advantage,” he added.

The new strategy ties down larger number of troops. So much so that even IAF Mi-17 helicopters are now being pressed into service to ferry troops and supplies to faraway encounter sites. IAF helicopters were, in fact, used during the two recent high-voltage encounters. First, a large group of 25 or so heavily-armed militants were intercepted in the Kupwara sector on March 20. Seventeen terrorists and eight soldiers, including an officer, were killed in the fierce five-day gun battle.

Then, the security forces detected another large group of around 35 militants in the Gurez sector on March 25-26. But this time, only one militant was killed, with the others managing to give the security forces the slip.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-holed-up-in-Kashmir/articleshow/4377686.cms
 

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Yes the Taliban has entered Indian territory. I had posted in some other thread that about 28 have sneaked in according to intecepts. It's a cause of grave concern for India. The intel agencies have to work overtime to determine the extent of the infiltration and nip it in the bud before it's too late and we have to fight another Kargil.
 

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This is why we developed Cold Start

Lets turn the guns on and watch the fun.
 

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This is why we developed Cold Start

Lets turn the guns on and watch the fun.
I have always been hazy about what the parameters of cold start is. I have read what has been published. But sounds like a blitzkrieg without staying power. Someone either enlighten me or correct me.

This is where the good brigadier Ray can provide input. Hint...Sir.. you showed up just in time.
 

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I have always been hazy about what the parameters of cold start is. I have read what has been published. But sounds like a blitzkrieg without staying power. Someone either enlighten me or correct me.

This is where the good brigadier Ray can provide input. Hint...Sir.. you showed up just in time.

John Uncle, How nice to see you here:113:

Coming back to the topic, I think the whole idea started to overcome the problems in troop deployment that showed up with Operation Parakram.

However, as I see it, deploying the rapid response troops only make sense if you are also simulataneously moving the strike corps foward. Else, a more heavily armed "Enemy Strike Corps" may be able to counter the advantages of a fast hard hitting rapid response force.

On the other hand, if Strike forces move forward, that is a sign of escalation that you would want to avoid in the first place.

It would be interesting to see the professionals weigh in, us Chairborne troops get tired of exercising our civvie brains after a while. I was trying to find the old thread on this on the WAB, but could not find it:sad:
 

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Have attached article written by Walter Ladwig regarding Cold Start.
 

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Antimony and Yusuf - good to see you guys here!

I am still a WABBER also, but the South Asian thread is gone. The board has gotten a little "yawn" nowadays....oh, well!!
 

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No need of Jihad, says an arrested Pakistani militant- Hindustan Times

No need of Jihad, says an arrested Pakistani militant

A Pakistani militant arrested by Army today said there is no need of Jihad in Kashmir as contrary to what he has been told in Pakistan, Kashmiris are not facing any oppression.

Syed Moinullah Shah, cadre of the Pakistan based Hizbul Mujahideen who was part of the group of 31 militants who crossed over the LoC recently said that after seeing the conditions of Kashmiri Muslims he wanted to go back rather than carry on with “jihad.”

“I was told by Kashmiris who come there (Pakistan) that they are being tortured by the Indian Army. Their houses have also been taken away besides not being allowed to do the namaaz. They also said their women were being raped,” Shah who was presented before the media said.

Shah who underwent an intensive training in Pak-occupied Kashmir, said,“When I came here, I did not see any kind of torture. Everybody was busy doing their own work. I felt their was no need of jihad in Kashmir and hence wanted to go back.”

The Pakistani militant ruled out involvement of Taliban in Kashmir and said,“Taliban do not operate here. They are separate and have a different set-up. They are involved in Afghanistan and certain parts of Pakistan.”
 

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So, the bluff of Pakistan came in forefront,now what the USA will say it is now next, and moreover the western nations who supported the USA in this regard and the OIC which routinely passes resolution against us, what they will do now?

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OIC passing resolutions against us is called "Lip Service"....How can they let go of one of their Largest customers?
 
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