Jallikattu Ban: Elites vs Local Tradition

[DingDong]

Dahi handi, which i believe is a practice done mostly in maharashtra, is a religious event associated to a major Hindu festival.

Jallikattu is a cultural event linked to agricultural practices and supposed to "celebrate" relation between man and beast. It just happens to be done mostly by dominant hindu castes of southern TN, hence highly niche in nature. Not surprisingly this sport is hardly known outside TN and obviously does not evoke any sentiment/response among people of other southern states.

Lets not get confused between a regional niche sport and a religious festival.
This issue is very regional in nature and concerns tamil identity, hence no one ELSE, including hindus elsewhere, gives a damn.

This issue evoked nationwide interest and support at start because this was seen as a fight of citizens against judicial overreach and misconduct. However, the situation has changed.

Certain sections in Tamilnadu hijacked the cause and misused this court verdict to ignite the "Tamil Passion". This issue is nothing more than an excuse to serve certain political ends by exploiting the ethnic/linguistic divides.

Majority of citizens cannot support the protesters because we no longer trust their real intentions.

Central Government will not bring in the ordinance because now such move will be perceived and projected as a surrender by those those who are involved in the Identity Politics.

This issue is "regional/local" even in context of Tamilnadu. If this is all about false ego and identity of certain group/section of the population, then the law must take it's course.

 

[mavles ihctep]

India's success is unity in diversity. The day delhi government ignore and disrespect different cultures of india, that's a doomsday for india

 

[Krusty]

Jallikattu taking place only in major towns. Many arrests confirmed. Source is my friends at their home villages. Talking over the phone.

 

[Krusty]

RSS Bats for Jallikattu, Says It's Not Cruelty but Playing with the Bull

J Nandakumar, All India Sah-Prachar Pramukh of the RSS, told News18 that the Sangh stand is that Jallikattu is a traditional festival related to Tamil Nadu’s agricultural traditions.

"The Sangh organisations in the state are in favour of Jallikattu. The festival is about playing with the animal, it does not involve celebration by killing of any ox, bull or camel,” he said.



@Razor @Krusty

This is a great sign, although a bit too late now. but Glad to know who's side RSS is on.

 

[raja696]

Even though it's against supreme Court order I support both jalli kattu and Dahi hundi tradition's as long as they don't run a so called parallel governance through fatwas and sharia kind of scum. Sometimes I wonder if judiciary in India did not fail why conviction rates are low than settlement of cases. Supreme Court should spend it's time on better things than opening courts in the midnight for midnight masala shows such as afzal guru mercy plea .what a joke judiciary has became. Shame on them.

 

[DingDong]

India's success is unity in diversity. The day delhi government ignore and disrespect different cultures of india, that's a doomsday for india

Indian State is extremely powerful, and a handful of those who wish to pick a fight will be made to vanish in thin air alongside their comrades.

Even though it's against supreme Court order I support both jalli kattu and Dahi hundi tradition's as long as they don't run a so called parallel governance through fatwas and sharia kind of scum. Sometimes I wonder if judiciary in India did not fail why conviction rates are low than settlement of cases. Supreme Court should spend it's time on better things than opening courts in the midnight for midnight masala shows such as afzal guru mercy plea .what a joke judiciary has became. Shame on them.

Absolutely, We should show disagreement with the government/court when they are clearly wrong/transgressing. Constitutional bodies serve the people and not the other way around.

However, nobody must mistake the disagreement for defiance, we still trust our institutions.

It is important for the general public to not let the vested interests hijack the issue or fish in troubled waters.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

Jallikattu is a cultural event

A cultural event where all other than Brahmins participate ???

 

[IndianHawk]

But culture needs to evolve with time.
Jallikattu is about show of strength.

They could try to stop tractors. Why does the bull need to be bothered.
Just a thought.

That way the festival goes on bulls can watch it too from safe distance :biggrin2:

If we are moving forward on animal rights we might not keep bringing up culture questions.

Although so as long we keep killing animals just for food there is not much point in debating upon animal rights.:biggrin2:

 

[Razor]

RSS Bats for Jallikattu, Says It's Not Cruelty but Playing with the Bull

J Nandakumar, All India Sah-Prachar Pramukh of the RSS, told News18 that the Sangh stand is that Jallikattu is a traditional festival related to Tamil Nadu’s agricultural traditions.

"The Sangh organisations in the state are in favour of Jallikattu. The festival is about playing with the animal, it does not involve celebration by killing of any ox, bull or camel,” he said.



@Razor @Krusty

Well, smart move, though kinda late. Still smarter than BJP.
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[jackprince]

This issue evoked nationwide interest and support at start because this was seen as a fight of citizens against judicial overreach and misconduct. However, the situation has changed.

Certain sections in Tamilnadu hijacked the cause and misused this court verdict to ignite the "Tamil Passion". This issue is nothing more than an excuse to serve certain political ends by exploiting the ethnic/linguistic divides.

Majority of citizens cannot support the protesters because we no longer trust their real intentions.

Central Government will not bring in the ordinance because now such move will be perceived and projected as a surrender by those those who are involved in the Identity Politics.

This issue is "regional/local" even in context of Tamilnadu. If this is all about false ego and identity of certain group/section of the population, then the law must take it's course.

So now it is about reverse- provincialism where an issue that should have a huge importance gets snubbed because it might give wind to some factions that may not be conforming to the core ideas of the powers that are?

You say you cannot trust the intentions of the protesters. But what prevented the powers whose intentions you trust, to make it a national issue from the get go rather than it being converted into a regional issue? I mean this certainly isn't a sudden thing but all knew since a year that it is coming. The ethnicity line could easily have been blurred by coming in support of this event fully without keeping political alignments in question and the section of doubting Tamilians could also be proven with the oneness of India. But alas, the power that be which sadly is mostly North Indians, appear not to care about the jesture.

Now, someone said about Dahi Hundi getting support 'coz Maharashtra not making it a regional issue. How is that a problem? Dahi Hundi is indeed a regional issue, just as much Jallikattu is. And, both are equally 'religious cultural' linked to Hindus. Then why should not the high handedness of Courts should equally be protested?

The Modi govt. will never take a step in favour of Hindu issues. I guess Modi is too keen on making his mark on Global arena, and he fears to be marked again with the desipsed 'Hindu Nationalist Leader' once again.

 

[here2where]

The Modi govt. will never take a step in favour of Hindu issues.

Wrong. Don't forget who sent him to Delhi. Same ppl who put him there can pull him down just as easily. We should not kid ourselves by saying we understand Modi or his mechanisations. This is his way of sending a message to the thugs in Chennai to fall in line or else....

 

[Krusty]

This is his way of sending a message to the thugs in Chennai to fall in line or else....

Tell me you are joking...........

 

[Krusty]

This issue evoked nationwide interest and support at start because this was seen as a fight of citizens against judicial overreach and misconduct. However, the situation has changed.

Certain sections in Tamilnadu hijacked the cause and misused this court verdict to ignite the "Tamil Passion". This issue is nothing more than an excuse to serve certain political ends by exploiting the ethnic/linguistic divides.

Majority of citizens cannot support the protesters because we no longer trust their real intentions.

Central Government will not bring in the ordinance because now such move will be perceived and projected as a surrender by those those who are involved in the Identity Politics.

This issue is "regional/local" even in context of Tamilnadu. If this is all about false ego and identity of certain group/section of the population, then the law must take it's course.

Just out of curiosity, why can't one have both Tamil pride and Indian pride? They aren't mutually exclusive. Are you saying one shouldn't have Tamil pride and only take pride in India? Where is the diversity in 'unity in diversity'? I'm not sure I get your point...

 

[Krusty]

So jallikattu did take place inspite of the arrests. But only in major towns. I'll try to get a list of places where it was held. Lot Villages sat 2017 out because of police monitoring and arrests.

 

[here2where]

Tell me you are joking...........

I aint joking. Had he let jallikattu happen this year, DMK gets all the credit, joins congies to fight him in next election. By not letting jallikattu happen, he retains a valuable bargaining chip with chinnamma by way of a possible future act to nullify SC verdict and makes her dance to his whims in the upper house.
Makes sense?

 

[jackprince]

I aint joking. Had he let jallikattu happen this year, DMK gets all the credit, joins congies to fight him in next election. By not letting jallikattu happen, he retains a valuable bargaining chip with chinnamma by way of a possible future act to nullify SC verdict and makes her dance to his whims in the upper house.
Makes sense?

No. It doesn't.




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[1971ftw]

Even Karnataka region used to do this , the ban is reasonable so we accept. Stop making everything sound like tamil opression .

 

[DingDong]

Just out of curiosity, why can't one have both Tamil pride and Indian pride? They aren't mutually exclusive. Are you saying one shouldn't have Tamil pride and only take pride in India? Where is the diversity in 'unity in diversity'? I'm not sure I get your point...

Human relation is like that, we have got multiple identities and loyalties, it is natural.

I am all for the Tamil Pride, but it must be a positive emotion and not something which creates hate towards other.

What has a commoner from North/Western state got anything to do with this court order? Why hate him?

When personalities from Tamilnadu say that the North Indian Hindi Belt guys don't understand the situation, people like me may genuinely feel that we are being judged harshly/unfairly.

 

[Krusty]

Human relation is like that, we have got multiple identities and loyalties, it is natural.

I am all for the Tamil Pride, but it must be a positive emotion and not something which creates hate towards other.

What has a commoner from North/Western state got anything to do with this court order? Why hate him?

When personalities from Tamilnadu say that the North Indian Hindi Belt guys don't understand the situation, people like me may genuinely feel that we are being judged harshly/unfairly.

who hates northerners? Please understand that today's youth are well aware that there are personalities who will use this situation for maximum political mileage by trying to fan the flames. More importantly that, DMK and ADMK will use this to make sure they keep BJP and congress out of TN by simply paying personalities to talk in favour of TN and evoke Tamil pride and bring in the image of the 'north' since BJP and congress are seen as northern parties. And BJP played right into their hands.
Personalities will talk smack. That's their job. Which Indian politician doesnt extract every bit of political mileage from any situation? But get on twitter to see the real emotion of Tamil youth.
The problem is any talk of Tamil pride will be immediately interpreted as distancing Tamils away from the test of India. I knew this would happen and I talked about this exact same thing just a few posts back.

Besides, all Tamil personalities aren't on the same boat. Look at what Subramaniyan swami thinks of the situation.

I actually heard speech only from Simbu, TR and Swamy. Please upload the video where Tamils were judgemental. I might have missed it. But the point still stands.

 

[Krusty]

I aint joking. Had he let jallikattu happen this year, DMK gets all the credit, joins congies to fight him in next election. By not letting jallikattu happen, he retains a valuable bargaining chip with chinnamma by way of a possible future act to nullify SC verdict and makes her dance to his whims in the upper house.
Makes sense?

Nope, Modi missed a master stroke of coming out in support or atleast an ordinance thereby ensuring the gratitude of every Tamil in favour of Jallikattu which is almost everyone. There is no excuse because he had time. DMK started their protests late. He should have took some kind of action after the SC verdict or atleast voiced his support since this case was Long on the bench and everyone knew when jallikattu was to be held. Instead, he has followed your strategy and played right into the hands of DMK and ADMK who knew he would do nothing. You think he has a bargaining chip with chinnama? Just wait and watch ADMK implode in the next couple of years without Jayalalitha and thanks to Modi, DMK will be stronger than ever. And BJP now is just left with an image of giving importance to NGO's instead of historic traditions. Very nice.