J20 Stealth Fighter

[ketaki]

AirForce Day, R-Day etc etc.

According to Indian media:

Indian Media: Pilot who "shot down PAF fighter" leads formation during parade

At least the PLAAF's "propaganda" during parades and anniversaries doesn't involve trying to push questionable narratives.

Also, note that the 15 J20 formation consists of indigenously designed, tested and produced airframes that are of superior combat capability to the imports the IAF has to use during parades.

Which is why you're rushing to claim that the many videos and pics we've seen of them training for the parade and on the day are edited or are photoshopped.

hey kid...

IAF fighters have been in REAL COMBAT SORTIES more than PLAAF's fanboy "anniversary parades"... your "Jia'an" fighters are just paper tigers(or dragons for f*ks sake -which is an imaginary animal to begin with)

so STFU and eat a bat

 

[johnq]

Chinese air force propaganda video appears to use Hollywood movie clips | CNN

A new Chinese air force propaganda video appears to use Hollywood movie clips in its depiction of an attack on a target resembling a United States Air Force base.

www.cnn.com

 

[fire starter]

AirForce Day, R-Day etc etc.

According to Indian media:

Indian Media: Pilot who "shot down PAF fighter" leads formation during parade

At least the PLAAF's "propaganda" during parades and anniversaries doesn't involve trying to push questionable narratives.

Also, note that the 15 J20 formation consists of indigenously designed, tested and produced airframes that are of superior combat capability to the imports the IAF has to use during parades.

Which is why you're rushing to claim that the many videos and pics we've seen of them training for the parade and on the day are edited or are photoshopped.

Nigga we know who is expert in propaganda and photo shopping.

 

[johnq]

#China uses photograph of a #Korean Coast Guard SSAT soldier for #ChineseArmy #PLA advertisement. Even US Navy aircraft carriers are featured in #chinese navy advertisements at airports.

 

[J20!]

Chinese air force propaganda video appears to use Hollywood movie clips | CNN

A new Chinese air force propaganda video appears to use Hollywood movie clips in its depiction of an attack on a target resembling a United States Air Force base.

www.cnn.com

Classic IDF fanboy reactions to J20 developments.

If there were formations of AMCA's flying at an Indian Republic Day parade, they'd be creaming their pants and screaming Jhai Hind!

But because they see how far behind India's defence sector is that of China's, they come up with all kinds of fanciful nonsense:

"Noooo, those 15 J20's flying above a huge centenary celebration in the heart of Beijing, attended by foreign dignitaries and media aren't really there!!!" "It's just Chinese hocus pocus photoshops"

"It's not really a stealth fighter, it's a mig 21 with faceting to scare poor Indians"

"Its a hollow shell filled with Russian 90's technology"

"Its engines will never work".
*CAC and SAC - integrates WS10 variants in 400+ J10, J11B, J16, J20* *DFI Fanboys* - "They are cheap engines that explode after every 2 flights (with 0 evidence)"

*PLAAF buys 24 SU 35's as a stopgap for the very slow J11D and J11B MLU programmes*
*DFI fanboys* "AH HAH!!!! signs that the more than 500 J10's J11B's J16's and J20's are all useless, China is depending on a squadron's worth of SU35's to defend their entire airspace"

*IAF takes 15 years to buy 36 4th gen Rafales*
*IDF Fanboys AND Indian media* "Jai Hind!!!! now IAF has superiority over Chinese stealth fighters"


J-XX programme started more than 20 years ago, has involved billions of $ in design, development, testing and manufacturing. We've seen many many many US intelligence reports over the past 20 years reporting on this development effort. We've seen many iterations of the Jet as it goes through development since 2010. It's not even complete yet.

Yet fanboys here have sincerely convinced themselves that the fruits of this 20 year effort is just a $10 photoshop, or copies of Soviet and US designs printed off a 3D printer to scare THEM.

Its been 10+ years guys, get over it.

 

[johnq]

Nigga we know who is expert in propaganda and photo shopping.
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Here is the original HAL Tejas video and Chinese Communist Party propaganda video with copied footage:
How shameless are Chinese Communist Party (CCP) bots when they keep on pushing CCP narrative even after being shown that their CCP military propaganda video uses stolen footage from a HAL Tejas video from 2013!
And why is the CCP military propaganda video using footage from HAL Tejas from 2013 dropping a laser guided bomb?
Could it be that the CCP military is so pathetic that they don't even have footage of their aircraft dropping laser guided bombs so they have to steal it from the Indian military?
CCP bots better go elsewhere to sell their narrative of the great J-20 based on CCP media propaganda videos, because CCP media has now been caught red handed in lying and stealing simultaneously.

 

[fire starter]

Classic IDF fanboy reactions to J20 developments.

If there were formations of AMCA's flying at an Indian Republic Day parade, they'd be creaming their pants and screaming Jhai Hind!

But because they see how far behind India's defence sector is that of China's, they come up with all kinds of fanciful nonsense:

"Noooo, those 15 J20's flying above a huge centenary celebration in the heart of Beijing, attended by foreign dignitaries and media aren't really there!!!" "It's just Chinese hocus pocus photoshops"

"It's not really a stealth fighter, it's a mig 21 with faceting to scare poor Indians"

"Its a hollow shell filled with Russian 90's technology"

"Its engines will never work".
*CAC and SAC - integrates WS10 variants in 400+ J10, J11B, J16, J20* *DFI Fanboys* - "They are cheap engines that explode after every 2 flights (with 0 evidence)"

*PLAAF buys 24 SU 35's as a stopgap for the very slow J11D and J11B MLU programmes*
*DFI fanboys* "AH HAH!!!! signs that the more than 500 J10's J11B's J16's and J20's are all useless, China is depending on a squadron's worth of SU35's to defend their entire airspace"

*IAF takes 15 years to buy 36 4th gen Rafales*
*IDF Fanboys AND Indian media* "Jai Hind!!!! now IAF has superiority over Chinese stealth fighters"


J-XX programme started more than 20 years ago, has involved billions of $ in design, development, testing and manufacturing. We've seen many many many US intelligence reports over the past 20 years reporting on this development effort. We've seen many iterations of the Jet as it goes through development since 2010. It's not even complete yet.

Yet fanboys here have sincerely convinced themselves that the fruits of this 20 year effort is just a $10 photoshop, or copies of Soviet and US designs printed off a 3D printer to scare THEM.

Yes.
The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets.

The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets

Snazzy weapons mean a lot less if you don’t have friends.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[johnq]

Classic IDF fanboy reactions to J20 developments.

If there were formations of AMCA's flying at an Indian Republic Day parade, they'd be creaming their pants and screaming Jhai Hind!

But because they see how far behind India's defence sector is that of China's, they come up with all kinds of fanciful nonsense:

"Noooo, those 15 J20's flying above a huge centenary celebration in the heart of Beijing, attended by foreign dignitaries and media aren't really there!!!" "It's just Chinese hocus pocus photoshops"

"It's not really a stealth fighter, it's a mig 21 with faceting to scare poor Indians"

"Its a hollow shell filled with Russian 90's technology"

"Its engines will never work".
*CAC and SAC - integrates WS10 variants in 400+ J10, J11B, J16, J20* *DFI Fanboys* - "They are cheap engines that explode after every 2 flights (with 0 evidence)"

*PLAAF buys 24 SU 35's as a stopgap for the very slow J11D and J11B MLU programmes*
*DFI fanboys* "AH HAH!!!! signs that the more than 500 J10's J11B's J16's and J20's are all useless, China is depending on a squadron's worth of SU35's to defend their entire airspace"

*IAF takes 15 years to buy 36 4th gen Rafales*
*IDF Fanboys AND Indian media* "Jai Hind!!!! now IAF has superiority over Chinese stealth fighters"


J-XX programme started more than 20 years ago, has involved billions of $ in design, development, testing and manufacturing. We've seen many many many US intelligence reports over the past 20 years reporting on this development effort. We've seen many iterations of the Jet as it goes through development since 2010. It's not even complete yet.

Yet fanboys here have sincerely convinced themselves that the fruits of this 20 year effort is just a $10 photoshop, or copies of Soviet and US designs printed off a 3D printer to scare THEM.

Its been 10+ years guys, get over it.

You always seem to miss the point. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) military bought the SU-35 to steal its avionics and radar technology, which is two decades behind modern western avionics and radar technology and is heavily downgraded for sale to CCP military. If the CCP military aircraft were as advanced in radar and avionics technology as the CCP propaganda videos claim, there would be no point in buying the SU-35, would there? The only reason would be to copy downgraded and 2 decades old Russian radar and avionics technology.

As I have shown above in the CCP propaganda video, CCP lies.

Similarly, showing off a dozen aircraft in propaganda airshows with WS-10 engines does not mean that the engines are reliable enough for operational aircraft. The operational aircraft of the CCP military still use Russian engines, because the WS-10 needs overhauling after 80 hours.

The same holds true for the J-20, whose avionics, sensors and weapon seekers are outdated, engines unreliable and underpowered, RCS too great due to design deficiencies and lack of decent, reliable RAM coatings, and suck in terms of maintenance and reliability. The CCP military can port indigenous WS-10 engines into a bunch of J-20 aircraft during a propaganda parade to show them to the people to brainwash them and keep them submissive, just like CCP military fanboys here. But that is NOT THE SAME THING as having fully operational aircraft with reliable engines.

What the stolen footage from the HAL Tejas indicates is that the CCP military propaganda department does not even have footage of a J-10 dropping a laser guided bomb, so they had to steal footage of the HAL Tejas! Doesn't that tell you something about how limited and backward the state of the CCP military is?

 

[J20!]

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Yes.
The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets.

The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets

Snazzy weapons mean a lot less if you don’t have friends.

foreignpolicy.com

Have you read your own article? They are comparing Chinese fighter sales to that of the US, Russia and France. Not India.

France, a country that has been exporting fighters since WW2 ended managed only double of China's exports over a 20 year period.

The numbers clearly show that nothing of the sort happened. Between 2000 and 2020, China exported just $7.2 billion worth of military aircraft, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute arms transfers database. Meanwhile, the United States stayed safely on top, exporting $99.6 billion, and Russia stayed in the second slot at $61.5 billion. Even France’s aircraft exports doubled China’s, at $14.7 billion

Exports also involve politics as your article clearly states. Most US fighter sales are to NATO countries and close treaty allies like Japan and SoKo.

Pray tell, how many fighters has India exported? You boast about your foreign fighters, but have spent that same 20 year period building paper fighter jets with only 1 reaching the IAF, and even then it's not even deployed in numbers yet despite having been neck and neck with J10 development in the 90's. J10's are now being inducted with AESA's, and indigenous turbofans...

DFI fanboys mocked the J20 for flying Russian engines for 10 years, now she's being inducted into PLAAF combat units with Chinese turbofans and integrating an even better 1 now.

Where's Kaveri? Where's AMCA? Won't it be flying on American F414's? All we've seen are ever changing mock-ups for the 10 years since J20 first flew.

 

[fire starter]

Have you read your own article? They are comparing Chinese fighter sales to that of the US, Russia and France. Not India.

France, a country that has been exporting fighters since WW2 ended managed only double of China's exports over a 20 year period.



Exports also involve politics as your article clearly states. Most US fighter sales are to NATO countries and close treaty allies like Japan and SoKo.

Pray tell, how many fighters has India exported? You boast about your foreign fighters, but have spent that same 20 year period building paper fighter jets with only 1 reaching the IAF, and even then it's not even deployed in numbers yet despite having been neck and neck with J10 development in the 90's. J10's are now being inducted with AESA's, and indigenous turbofans...

DFI fanboys mocked the J20 for flying Russian engines for 10 years, now she's being inducted into PLAAF combat units with Chinese turbofans and integrating an even better 1 now.

Where's Kaveri? Where's AMCA? Won't it be flying on American F114's? All we've seen are ever changing mock-ups for the 10 years since J20 first flew.

Who is a CCP bot? Top 5 qualities:

1. Low IQ juvenile rants repeated like a mindless moron from a script, with serious inability to substantiate assertions with well written,quality articles. For example, repeatedly members here have shown that J20 is a dud. Only a low IQ CCP bot thinks that J20 is a combat capable aircraft.
2. Jumping from topic to topic without any substantiation - another thing the CCP bots consistently do.
3. Extreme whataboutism - what about this, what about that instead of replying to the data/assertions posted in a member's post. Example: India is way ahead in avionics. CCP Bot: what about J20?
4. False/insane comparisons - misleading by comparing apples and oranges. Example: Fact - India has the best light fighter in Asia. CCP bot: No, CCP is way ahead of India in aeronautics industry.
5. Outright lying and misrepresentation of facts - the greatest giveaway that someone is a CCP bot. Example: JF17 is better than LCA . Reality: JF17 is not even on the top 10 light fighters list. Another example: J20 is stealth. Reality: J20 is a piece of garbage with an underpowered turbofan.

YOU:

• low IQ poster using substandard and/or false articles to support views
• topic jumper
• extreme whabouter
• false/insane comparisons
• Outright liar/facts misrepresenter

Hence YOU are a CCP bot.

 

[SavageKing456]

hey kid...

IAF fighters have been in REAL COMBAT SORTIES more than PLAAF's fanboy "anniversary parades"... your "Jia'an" fighters are just paper tigers(or dragons for f*ks sake -which is an imaginary animal to begin with)

so STFU and eat a bat

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That bat is kinda cute,why you want the Chinese to kill it,make a cringe soup out of it and drink it.

 

[J20!]

You always seem to miss the point. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) military bought the SU-35 to steal its avionics and radar technology, which is two decades behind modern western avionics and radar technology and is heavily downgraded for sale to CCP military. If the CCP military aircraft were as advanced in radar and avionics technology as the CCP propaganda videos claim, there would be no point in buying the SU-35, would there? The only reason would be to copy downgraded and 2 decades old Russian radar and avionics technology.

As I have shown above in the CCP propaganda video, CCP lies.

Similarly, showing off a dozen aircraft in propaganda airshows with WS-10 engines does not mean that the engines are reliable enough for operational aircraft. The operational aircraft of the CCP military still use Russian engines, because the WS-10 needs overhauling after 80 hours.

The CCP military can port indigenous WS-10 engines into a bunch of J-20 aircraft during a propaganda parade to show them to the people to brainwash them and keep them submissive, just like CCP military fanboys here. But that is NOT THE SAME THING as having fully operational aircraft with reliable engines.

What's your definition of "operational aircraft"?

Armed J11B's flying on WS10A's have been intercepting US aircraft and flying sorties over the ECS against the JASDF's for over 10 years now. All aside from the first batch fly WS10's. There are more than 200 in service in PLAAF and PLANAF.

Taiwan and Japan release images of WS10B equipped J16's escorting PLAAF/PLANAF reconnaissance and bomber aircraft regularly. ALL J16's fly on WS10. More than 100 are in service...

All new 4th gen and 5th gen fighters rolling off production lines at CAC and SAC fly WS10 variants now. J10C, J16, J20 (now testing thrust vectoring WS15)

The same holds true for the J-20, whose avionics, sensors and weapon seekers are outdated

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Which sensors? The AESA, the Distributed Aperture system, its ECM's, its EODAS-like sensor? We don't even know how many TR modules the AESA has yet you claim to know that its "outdated"? How many lines of code does its avionics systems use? Source? You know nothing yet are making huge claims.

engines unreliable and underpowered,

How do you know WS10C is unreliable and underpowered? Please give us its wet and dry thrust, I'd love to see your secret IAF data. Source please.

RCS too great due to design deficiencies and lack of decent, reliable RAM coatings, and suck in terms of maintenance and reliability

Please give us your source WRT Chinese RAM coating maintenance and reliability. Where did you get the J20's RCS? Source?

What the stolen footage from the HAL Tejas indicates is that the CCP military propaganda department does not even have footage of a J-10 dropping a laser guided bomb, so they had to steal footage of the HAL Tejas! Doesn't that tell you something about how limited and backward the state of the CCP military is?

This video of J10A's dropping LT2 LGB's is 10 years old mate. Tejas wasnt even inducted yet.

That's your problem. Your posts are full of assertions that not even US DoD reports put forward. You make claims not even seasoned China military watchers know about.

Fanboys just make stuff up and convince themselves its true.

 

[johnq]

Have you read your own article? They are comparing Chinese fighter sales to that of the US, Russia and France. Not India.

France, a country that has been exporting fighters since WW2 ended managed only double of China's exports over a 20 year period.



Exports also involve politics as your article clearly states. Most US fighter sales are to NATO countries and close treaty allies like Japan and SoKo.

Pray tell, how many fighters has India exported? You boast about your foreign fighters, but have spent that same 20 year period building paper fighter jets with only 1 reaching the IAF, and even then it's not even deployed in numbers yet despite having been neck and neck with J10 development in the 90's. J10's are now being inducted with AESA's, and indigenous turbofans...

DFI fanboys mocked the J20 for flying Russian engines for 10 years, now she's being inducted into PLAAF combat units with Chinese turbofans and integrating an even better 1 now.

Where's Kaveri? Where's AMCA? Won't it be flying on American F114's? All we've seen are ever changing mock-ups for the 10 years since J20 first flew.

Buddy, you are totally under Chinese Communist Party (CCP) military propaganda's spell. You have no evidence of the quality of CCP military radar technology, and everything you have said is simply repeating CCP military propaganda and tall claims about AESA radars. If CCP military AESA radars were so great, why did CCP military buy S-400 from Russia which uses 2 decade old downgraded (for export to CCP military) AESA radars? If the CCP military radars were so great, there would be no point in buying the S-400.
Similarly, if the CCP military were supremely confident in their fighter radars and avionics, why bother buying the SU-35 which uses 2 decades old Russian PESA radars which are downgraded for sale to CCP military, if not to steal this technology?
And if the WS-10 were so reliable a decade ago, why are we seeing news reports just now of China trying to replace the Russian engines on their J-20s? And even the WS-10 engines they are replacing are only now being tested? And even these engines are having reliability and thrust issues in Tibet?
That is why I keep repeating: Showing off aircraft in propaganda airshows with temporarily ported WS-10 engines (which last 80 hours before needing overhaul) is simply not the same thing as having them on operational aircraft flying sortie after sortie in harsh conditions.
Buddy, you have seen WS-10 engines in CCP military aircraft propaganda airshows flying for what, a few hours?
Have you actually seen WS-10 engines on operational aircraft roughing it out sortie after sortie, year after year, from Tibetan airfields?
But you believe what CCP propaganda tells you right, because that is what good CCP fanboys do?
I don't. I think for myself after doing research, not what some CCP propaganda media tells me to think. And what I am saying about the deficiencies of CCP military aircraft sensors, engines and weapons being outdated, I have learned from multiple sources including the IAF. Please check the video of air marshall Nambiar from previous page in which he says that the J-20 is far worse than the Rafale.

 

[johnq]

What's your definition of "operational aircraft"?

Armed J11B's flying on WS10A's have been intercepting US aircraft and flying sorties over the ECS against the JASDF's for over 10 years now. All aside from the first batch fly WS10's. There are more than 200 in service in PLAAF and PLANAF.

Taiwan and Japan release images of WS10B equipped J16's escorting PLAAF/PLANAF reconnaissance and bomber aircraft regularly. ALL J16's fly on WS10. More than 100 are in service...

All new 4th gen and 5th gen fighters rolling off production lines at CAC and SAC fly WS10 variants now. J10C, J16, J20 (now testing thrust vectoring WS15)



Which sensors? The AESA, the Distributed Aperture system, its ECM's, its EODAS-like sensor? We don't even know how many TR modules the AESA has yet you claim to know that its "outdated"? How many lines of code does its avionics systems use? Source? You know nothing yet are making huge claims.



How do you know WS10C is unreliable and underpowered? Please give us its wet and dry thrust, I'd love to see your secret IAF data. Source please.



Please give us your source WRT Chinese RAM coating maintenance and reliability. Where did you get the J20's RCS? Source?



This video of J10A's dropping LT2 LGB's is 10 years old mate. Tejas wasnt even inducted yet.

That's your problem. Your posts are full of assertions that not even US DoD reports put forward. You make claims not even seasoned China military watchers know about.

Fanboys just make stuff up and convince themselves its true.

Nope, because everything you have said is based on CCP propaganda videos and footage. You are just pushing the same CCP propaganda over and over again. US defense needs money from the pentagon, so they always exaggerate the threat level.

Only someone blinded by CCP propaganda fails to see the obvious. I have shown 2 videos side by side above in which the CCP propaganda video has stolen footage from the HAL Tejas, and so have others here. But you cannot even acknowledge that.
I have shown a CNN article which tells you how CCP military propaganda video is using hollywood movie footage, but you fail to acknowledge that.
I have shown you CCP military propaganda using the picture of a South Korean soldier and lying and showing it to be a CCP military soldier, but you fail to acknowledge that.
And the WS-10 is only shown every now and then in propaganda videos, because an engine that lasts only 80 hours before needing overhaul is not good enough for fully operational aircraft during wartime sorties. Those aircraft are still flying with Russian engines. If the WS-10 engines were so reliable a decade ago, why did the CCP military not replace them in the J-20s a decade ago? Why are we seeing reports only now of starting trials for replacement of Russian engines? And even these WS-10 engines are proving to be less reliable than the Russian ones in Tibet according to IAF sources.

As far as the avionics and sensors of CCP military, if they are so advanced, why bother buying the SU-35 with PESA radar that is based on 2 decade old Russian technology which is heavily downgraded for export to CCP military, if not to copy it? Why bother buying S-400 which uses Russian AESA technology that is 2 decade old, and also heavily downgraded for export to CCP military? And mind you, this is Russian AESA technology which is 2 decades behind western AESA technology.

The simple fact is that the CCP military has been caught lying time and again about its military equipment's capabilities, and are known to exaggerate the same in their propaganda to control and brainwash mindless CCP military fanboys.

I have my sources who I have had discussions with, such as air marshall Nambiar who have had access to intelligence reports which discuss the limitations of CCP military in terms of how outdated their technology is.

The onus is on you to prove the capabilities of the J-20 or any other CCP military equipment. And everything that I have seen with regards to CCP military purchases of SU-35 and S-400 as well as other outdated Russian equipment that they have stolen technology from, tells me that CCP military is waaayy behind the west in military technology, which jives well with what the IAF personnel have told me.

 

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Nope, because everything you have said is based on CCP propaganda videos and footage. You are just pushing the same CCP propaganda over and over again. US defense needs money from the pentagon, so they always exaggerate the threat level.

Only someone blinded by CCP propaganda fails to see the obvious. I have shown 2 videos side by side above in which the CCP propaganda video has stolen footage from the HAL Tejas, and so have others here. But you cannot even acknowledge that.

And the WS-10 is only shown every now and then in propaganda videos, because an engine that lasts only 80 hours before needing overhaul is not good enough for fully operational aircraft during wartime sorties. Those aircraft are still flying with Russian engines. If the WS-10 engines were so reliable a decade ago, why did the CCP military not replace them in the J-20s a decade ago? Why are we seeing reports only now of starting trials for replacement of Russian engines? And even these WS-10 engines are proving to be less reliable than the Russian ones in Tibet according to IAF sources.

As far as the avionics and sensors of CCP military, if they are so advanced, why bother buying the SU-35 with PESA radar that is based on 2 decade old Russian technology which is heavily downgraded for export to CCP military, if not to copy it? Why bother buying S-400 which uses Russian AESA technology that is 2 decade old, and also heavily downgraded for export to CCP military? And mind you, this is Russian AESA technology which is 2 decades behind western AESA technology.

The simple fact is that the CCP military has been caught lying time and again about its military equipment's capabilities, and are known to exaggerate the same in their propaganda to control and brainwash mindless CCP military fanboys.

I have my sources who I have had discussions with, such as air marshall Nambiar who have had access to intelligence reports which discuss the limitations of CCP military in terms of how outdated their technology is.

The onus is on you to prove the capabilities of the J-20 or any other CCP military equipment. And everything that I have seen with regards to CCP military purchases of SU-35 and S-400 as well as other equipment that they have stolen technology from, tells me that CCP military is waaayy behind the west in military technology, which jives well with what the IAF personnel have told me.

So after pages and pages of confident assertions and claims with no solid basis, your answer to a request for sources is to claim:

"I have my sources who I have had discussions with, such as air marshall Nambiar who have had access to intelligence reports which discuss the limitations of CCP military in terms of how outdated their technology is."

If you actually had access to an air marshal with knowledge of valid Indian military intelligence, you wouldn't be posting it on a web forum let alone name dropping your NDA bound source. Is Indian military security so lax?

In summary, you know that the J20's "avionics, radar, DAS, ECM, EODAS" are based on outdated 90's Russian tech (the Russians have not revealed any DAS or EODAS like systems even for the SU57 let alone back in the 90's) BECAUSE A FRIEND OF A FRIEND TOLD YOU INDIAN MILITARY SECRETS?

GTFOH with that BS Fanboys are a waste of time.

 

[johnq]

Here is my post from 2 pages back with air marshall Nambiar clearly stating that the Rafale is heads and shoulders above the J-20. That alone should give CCP bots pause about the false claims about the J-20:

My analysis is based on discussions with senior IAF personnel who had access to intelligence about the J-20, as well as certain individuals in China and Taiwan who are also aware of the shortcomings of the J-20, both its design flaws in terms of aerodynamics and RCS (its radar is still visible to enemy radar from front, because the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) military has not figured out how to hide the radar/radome from modern enemy radars, which is probably why they kept the canards in spite of them being detrimental to RCS), lack of stealth materials technology (which is also unreliable as it breaks down easily), weak unreliable engines with very short times between overhauls (as low as 80 hours), avionics, radar, IR sensors and weapons seekers which are 2 decades behind in back-end technology (copied from 2 decade old, severely downgraded Russian sensors).
Here is retired air marshal Raghu Nambiar's assessment in comparison to Rafale:
Elsewhere also, he and others from IAF have given interviews in which they have listed the shortcomings of the J-20, which according to their assessment is somewhere between 3rd and 4th generation aircraft in terms of technology.
He is not the only one saying this either. There are others currently in IAF leadership who have seen the latest intelligence reports on the J-20, and will tell you the same thing. This is primarily due to the technological limitations in China right now due to restrictions placed on CCP military both by the west and Russia. All weapons that Russia has supplied to China have been severely downgraded in terms of technology. If the CCP military AESA and missile technology were really as advanced as they claim, why would they be importing Russian S-400, which is based on 2 decades old Russian radar/missile/datalink technology? And the version that Russia is exporting to CCP military is severely downgraded, yet the CCP military is still importing it. And this is Russian technology, which is another 2 decades behind western technology, which countries like India and Taiwan have had access to.
There are lots of other issues currently in operating the J-20, like maintenance and reliability, which the CCP military is struggling with. There is a huge difference between showing off aircraft in propaganda flights in airshows to intimidate the enemy and brainwash Chinese people, and making an aircraft operational. Every time they have tried to land a J-20 in a high altitude airfield in Tibet, they have had to change the tires, because the lack of lift due to thinner air is putting too much pressure on the single nose wheel tire during landing. And this is just one issue along with a million other things that keep breaking down, as well as not performing well due to outdated, unreliable technology. CCP military is good at making aircraft look good in propaganda pictures and brochures, not so good at making decent operational aircraft. Part of this also has to do with the massive corruption and coverups that exist in the CCP military.
All J-20 propaganda by CCP military right now, including overinflated numbers and photoshopped images tell me that the current purpose of the J-20 is as a psy ops propaganda toy, in order to intimidate the enemy, and hence win without fighing. That is the mission of the J-20: To fool the enemy into believing that CCP military is so great, when in reality it is an outdated military with outdated equipment that doesn't work so well, as well as poorly trained soldiers and pilots.
But the day another military calls CCP military's bluff, not just in terms of the J-20 but also other shiny toys which don't work so well in operational conditions, CCP military will face a major defeat.

There are other videos of him as well as other IAF personnel who have clearly stated that the Rafale is more advanced than the J-20.
There are multiple articles that I have posted earlier about the issues with the WS-10 engine on this thread.
There are articles also posted earlier in the thread about how CCP military sensors are inferior, which is the only reason why they bought a token number of the SU-35 (to copy its tech) and S-400.
There are also multiple reports posted of J-20 being visible to Indian and Taiwanese fighter radars posted earlier on this very thread, hence issues with its RCS and RAM coatings.
The CCP military has also not figured out how to hide the radar of the J-20 from enemy radar, hence it is visible to enemy radar even in the front.
There are also videos posted earlier in the thread which discuss issues with J-20 maintenance and reliability (such as tire change on every landing) when operating from Tibetan airfields.
Please do go back and check all these articles earlier in the thread before continuing with the CCP military propaganda.
BTW, happy CCP day. It must make CCP bots so proud to be supportive of a regime which caused 55 million deaths in the Great Leap Forward:

Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia

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And supportive of the CCP which killed up to 20 million Chinese people in the cultural revolution:

Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia

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The same cultural revolution in which CCP officials killed and ate Chinese people in many massacres such as the Guangxi massacre:

Guangxi Massacre - Wikipedia

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And many of these same killers and cannibals in these massacres are now a part of the CCP leadership. But they would never lie in order to brainwash and control Chinese people through the use of propaganda and lies, right?

But best of luck to CCP bots, at least until the CCP turns on you again and decides to send you to slave labor camps, or kills you for your organs, or eats you.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

AirForce Day, R-Day etc etc.

According to Indian media:

Indian Media: Pilot who "shot down PAF fighter" leads formation during parade

At least the PLAAF's "propaganda" during parades and anniversaries doesn't involve trying to push questionable narratives.

Also, note that the 15 J20 formation consists of indigenously designed, tested and produced airframes that are of superior combat capability to the imports the IAF has to use during parades.

Which is why you're rushing to claim that the many videos and pics we've seen of them training for the parade and on the day are edited or are photoshopped.

why China bought Su-35?

J-20 weighs at least 19-23 tonnes empty weight and Max take of is 36-40 tonnes.

Why does it need WS-15?


in order to have a high TWR it needs engines of 16-19 tonnes

this implies a normal take off of 30-33 tonnes.

As it stands now is highly underpowered


If F-22 which has better engines barely could keep up versus Rafale, the freinkeinstein monster that is J-20 has no chances at WVR

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Have you read your own article? They are comparing Chinese fighter sales to that of the US, Russia and France. Not India.

France, a country that has been exporting fighters since WW2 ended managed only double of China's exports over a 20 year period.



Exports also involve politics as your article clearly states. Most US fighter sales are to NATO countries and close treaty allies like Japan and SoKo.

Pray tell, how many fighters has India exported? You boast about your foreign fighters, but have spent that same 20 year period building paper fighter jets with only 1 reaching the IAF, and even then it's not even deployed in numbers yet despite having been neck and neck with J10 development in the 90's. J10's are now being inducted with AESA's, and indigenous turbofans...

DFI fanboys mocked the J20 for flying Russian engines for 10 years, now she's being inducted into PLAAF combat units with Chinese turbofans and integrating an even better 1 now.

Where's Kaveri? Where's AMCA? Won't it be flying on American F414's? All we've seen are ever changing mock-ups for the 10 years since J20 first flew.

F135 on F-35 that is a really true 5th generation fighter with a true 5th generation engine

why it shows China has not a 5th generation engine?

2 russian RD-93 shows China has no Type 30 or F-135 equivalents

The lack of 2D nozzles shows J-20 was designed with round nozzles in mind, WS-10 is no equivalent to F-135 engine

S-70 shows it has a high power engine, because a large size implies a large weapons and fuel capacity, thus a very high power engine

the Chinese drone has a smaller engine, that is not WS-15 but a lower thrust engine

S-70 has a very long engine meaning at least is an Al-31 type engine or a AL-41 type engine


China is flying a low thrust engine on J-20 thus it is highly underpowered meaning its turn rate and acceleration are not up to F-22 standards.

 

[lixun]

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F135 on F-35 that is a really true 5th generation fighter with a true 5th generation engine

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why it shows China has not a 5th generation engine?

2 russian RD-93 shows China has no Type 30 or F-135 equivalents

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The lack of 2D nozzles shows J-20 was designed with round nozzles in mind, WS-10 is no equivalent to F-135 engine

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S-70 shows it has a high power engine, because a large size implies a large weapons and fuel capacity, thus a very high power engine
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the Chinese drone has a smaller engine, that is not WS-15 but a lower thrust engine

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S-70 has a very long engine meaning at least is an Al-31 type engine or a AL-41 type engine


China is flying a low thrust engine on J-20 thus it is highly underpowered meaning its turn rate and acceleration are not up to F-22 standards.

DJ11 is bigger than you think. The parade shows only models. From now on, the progress of WS15 may be two years slower than product 30.

 

[lixun]

why China bought Su-35?

J-20 weighs at least 19-23 tonnes empty weight and Max take of is 36-40 tonnes.

Why does it need WS-15?


in order to have a high TWR it needs engines of 16-19 tonnes

this implies a normal take off of 30-33 tonnes.

As it stands now is highly underpowered


If F-22 which has better engines barely could keep up versus Rafale, the freinkeinstein monster that is J-20 has no chances at WVR

I estimate the empty weight of J20 is 18.5-19t
WS10C thrust is about 15t
No one can beat F22 in wvr,