J20 Stealth Fighter

[ice berg]

More nonsens from you. Ws-10A is in the same class as AL-31 and is been mass produced. To claim that it is in the same
stage as K-9 is just stupid.

It is about time you see past the usual jingoism and face the reality.

Open a new thread if you are that interested to compare chinese engines with non-existent indian ones. This thread is about J-20.

Stick to the topic.

 

[ersakthivel]

More nonsens from you. Ws-10A is in the same class as AL-31 and is been mass produced. To claim that it is in the same
stage as K-9 is just stupid.

It is about time you see past the usual jingoism and face the reality.

Open a new thread if you are that interested to compare chinese engines with non-existent indian ones. This thread is about J-20.

Stick to the topic.

Ok i will stick to the topic of watching all J-20 pictures and reading whatever you guys post.
Why bother with discussion. Just rename the thread as J-20----SEE THE PICTURE AND LISTEN TO OUR STORIES.
IT WILL BE MORE PROPER.
And we will discuss like the discussions in people's daily or any other chinese official media out let i.e whatever you post is right and whatever i say is rant.

 

[Yijiuliuer]

Ok i will stick to the topic of watching all J-20 pictures and reading whatever you guys post.
Why bother with discussion. Just rename the thread as J-20----SEE THE PICTURE AND LISTEN TO OUR STORIES.
IT WILL BE MORE PROPER.
And we will discuss like the discussions in people's daily or any other chinese official media out let i.e whatever you post is right and whatever i say is rant.

sometimes some critics are so incorrect that it insults basic logic.
Unconfirmed, or even educated guess is welcome, but we should skip stupidity.

 

[ersakthivel]

sometimes some critics are so incorrect that it insults basic logic.
Unconfirmed, or even educated guess is welcome, but we should skip stupidity.

Thanks for the objective view.
can you give an educated guess about
1. No of TR modules on ASEA radar you reported to be on J-20
2.detection range and tracking range of the radar
3.Power requirement
4.RADAR diameter?
5.How many targets it can track simultaneously
6.What is the exact empty weight?fuel load?weapon weight?weapon types?
7.,Since the purpose of the canards is to attach beneficial energizing vortices on the upper wing surface and postpone the onset of stall, all canard deltas have canards placed higher than the wing to avoid canard wash on the wing and provide laminar smooth airflow to the wing so that wing performs efficiently
SO what is The concept behind having canards and wings on the same horizantal plane in J-20?
8.What is the STR/ TWR/ and ITR?
So please post and we will have a fruitful discussion on this thread. Please dont say I cannot translate things to english and post some chinese language PDFs.

 

[p2prada]

Thanks for the objective view.
can you give an educated guess about
1. No of TR modules on ASEA radar you reported to be on J-20

1500-2000

2.detection range and tracking range of the radar

detection - 400Km+, tracking range - 250Km. Should increase with modules count unless there is a software restriction.

APG-77 on F-22 does 200-250Km tracking on a 1m[SUP]2[/SUP] target.

But air combat logic is simple, bigger radar sees better. Bigger radar wins.

3.Power requirement

15-20KW depending on whether it is 1500 or 2000 modules with known GaAs modules delivering peak powers of up to 10W. Unknown if they are using GaN modules, but that is unlikely.

4.RADAR diameter?

900mm-1200mm depending on modules.

5.How many targets it can track simultaneously

32 to 64. Software.

6.What is the exact empty weight?fuel load?

Should be around 16-20 tons empty, from PAKFA class to F-22 class. Fuel can be proportionate to body weight. 10 tons to 12 tons. Should exceed Flanker anyway.

weapon weight?weapon types?

big, big cannons, big big missiles, big big bombs.

7.,Since the purpose of the canards is to attach beneficial energizing vortices on the upper wing surface and postpone the onset of stall, all canard deltas have canards placed higher than the wing to avoid canard wash on the wing and provide laminar smooth airflow to the wing so that wing performs efficiently
SO what is The concept behind having canards and wings on the same horizantal plane in J-20?

Fly well, plane, good fly it is. See video. Youtube.

Go figure why N-LCA has the LEVCON in the same plane and apply same logic to J-20 (btw, it is not in the same plane on J-20). Google X-36, KF-X 201. It requires more reading and less talking.

So, go doctor, see, eyes check.

8.What is the STR/ TWR/ and ITR?

Magic question. Shoot a mail to CAC and let us know.

Please dont say I cannot translate things to english and post some chinese language PDFs.

That's your shortcoming, not theirs.

 

[ersakthivel]

1500-2000



detection - 400Km+, tracking range - 250Km. Should increase with modules count unless there is a software restriction.

APG-77 on F-22 does 200-250Km tracking on a 1m[SUP]2[/SUP] target.

But air combat logic is simple, bigger radar sees better. Bigger radar wins.



15-20KW depending on whether it is 1500 or 2000 modules with known GaAs modules delivering peak powers of up to 10W. Unknown if they are using GaN modules, but that is unlikely.



900mm-1200mm depending on modules.



32 to 64. Software.



Should be around 16-20 tons empty, from PAKFA class to F-22 class. Fuel can be proportionate to body weight. 10 tons to 12 tons. Should exceed Flanker anyway.



big, big cannons, big big missiles, big big bombs.



Fly well, plane, good fly it is. See video. Youtube.

Go figure why N-LCA has the LEVCON in the same plane and apply same logic to J-20 (btw, it is not in the same plane on J-20). Google X-36, KF-X 201. It requires more reading and less talking.

So, go doctor, see, eyes check.

Magic question. Shoot a mail to CAC and let us know.



That's your shortcoming, not theirs.

These are all official or your assumed specs for j-20?If it is official please quote source.Your reply to the canards question shows dassault and EADS and SAAB are very far behind the curve when it comes to placement of canards.They too have to see some aerodynamic witch doctor why this idea did not occur to them?

LEVCONS ACT IN CONCERT WITH THE WING.CANARDS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACT IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLANE ABOVE THE WING.THAT IS THE CONVENTIONAL AERODYNAMICS.

Any source for --APG-77 on F-22 does 200-250Km tracking on a 1m[SUP]2[/SUP] target.

 

[ersakthivel]

These are all official or your assumed specs for j-20?If it is official please quote source.Your reply to the canards question shows dassault and EADS and SAAB are very far behind the curve when it comes to placement of canards.They too have to see some aerodynamic witch doctor why this idea did not occur to them?

LEVCONS ACT IN CONCERT WITH THE WING.CANARDS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACT IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLANE ABOVE THE WING.THAT IS THE CONVENTIONAL AERODYNAMICS.

What are the total weight of big cannons, big bombs and big missiles in the internal bay?

 

[badguy2000]

the ass of J20

 

[satish007]

the ass of J20

two ass holes

 

[satish007]

India had not nuke, now they have, time means everything.

 

[Yijiuliuer]

J20 making horizontal rolls

 

[t_co]

What are the total weight of big cannons, big bombs and big missiles in the internal bay?

Why do you need to know?

 

[Daredevil]

J20 making horizontal rolls

Where is the video?. Such manoeuvres cannot be appreciated from such hazy pictures. It has to be a video.

 

[Armand2REP]

Thanks for the objective view.
can you give an educated guess about

Not a problem...

1. No of TR modules on ASEA radar you reported to be on J-20

ZERO, it uses a license produced PESA Zhuk ME

2.detection range and tracking range of the radar

120km against 5m^2 target

3.Power requirement

5-6 Kw

4.RADAR diameter?

624mm

5.How many targets it can track simultaneously

Track 10 engage 4

6.What is the exact empty weight?fuel load?weapon weight?weapon types?

Estimated around that of the F-111

7.,Since the purpose of the canards is to attach beneficial energizing vortices on the upper wing surface and postpone the onset of stall, all canard deltas have canards placed higher than the wing to avoid canard wash on the wing and provide laminar smooth airflow to the wing so that wing performs efficiently
SO what is The concept behind having canards and wings on the same horizantal plane in J-20?

Since it doesn't have a wing edge going past centreline , they made huge canards to compensate for lack of control surfaces. They need it so large so they can get the vortex over the wing to give control in AoA maneuvers.

8.What is the STR/ TWR/ and ITR?

Can't really give numbers without facts, but with two AL-31 engines T/W will be around 1 clean.

 

[DEJAVU]

just chill guys its just a toy HUH )

 

[DaTang]

just chill guys its just a toy HUH )

and a made in China toy with poisonous paint to harm Indian children to be precise, haha.

 

[DaTang]

Where is the video?. Such manoeuvres cannot be appreciated from such hazy pictures. It has to be a video.

Then don't believe it, why do you need to believe it is true? take these as someone's photoshopped work will skip the necessity of questioning.

 

[t_co]

and a made in China toy with poisonous paint to harm Indian children to be precise, haha.

Oh christ, cut it out man.

 

[t_co]

Then don't believe it, why do you need to believe it is true? take these as someone's photoshopped work will skip the necessity of questioning.

There will always be doubters, just ignore them. 大人不记小人过

 

[DaTang]

Oh christ, cut it out man.

Hahaha, then what do you expect them to say? anyways, this is not a troll thread, but Indians are Indians, they are still very far from being realistic.