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You should add John to the ignore list, he is just a copy machine for negative information.
I found that most of his information came from Falun Gong forces, and he deliberately belittled the quality of Chinese discussions in the "IDF"
I like him!

He is quite entertaining, any positive news about China, he would explain by negative words... And with huge amoun of typings sometimes as many as 1000 words ... At least I didn't have so much time on expressing anger to a nation i don't like. I guess he might lost job recently....
 

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Do they want the US to allow the sale of F-35s to India ": the Indian press is discussing the words of the American general about the J-20 fighters of the PRC near Ladakh
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"Do they want the US to allow the sale of F-35s to India": the Indian press is discussing the words of the American general about the J-20 fighters of the PRC near Ladakh

India is responding to a statement made by Acting Director of the US National Intelligence Agency, Lieutenant General Scott Berrier. According to the head of the intelligence service of the United States of America, during the confrontation between India and China in the highlands of Ladakh, the PLA Air Force deployed new generation J-20 fighters in the border regions of the PRC.




General Berrier, speaking during the hearings in the relevant Senate committee, noted that "China threatened the security of India and its territorial integrity."

From the Berrier report:

To strengthen its position in the region, Beijing moved its J-20 combat aircraft closer to Ladakh. This happened in September 2020.

The Indian media, commenting on the statement of the American general, note that for India "the deployment of Chinese J-20 fighters closer to the Indian borders is not news."

Indeed, in the fall of last year, the Indian military, referred to by the country's press as an official source, reported that the PRC had deployed two of its new-generation fighters to one of the airfields in the western part of the country. The Chinese carried out the deployment at their Khotan airbase, which is about 250 km from Ladakh. Then in India they expressed their indignation at the transfer of J-20s of the Chinese Air Force and the militarization of the region.




According to some reports, China has now withdrawn its J-20 fighters from the Hotan base. And against this background, India is discussing why the American general has now raised this topic now. A note of hope flashed in some publications: "Does the US want to consider the issue of parity between the Indian and Chinese air forces and allow the sale of its F-35 aircraft to New Delhi?"

At the same time, they immediately remembered that the United States does not sell its fifth generation fighters to countries that buy Russian anti-aircraft missile computers.

Newly found a piece of our college book: stealth plane design guide:

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It says for F22, 89.9% of exposure comes from the intake design.
 

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Chinese Communist Party propagandists keep making irrelevent posts to hide the fact that the J-20 is a total failure. It has weak engines (unreliable copies of older generation Russian engines), primitive avionics, sensors and weapons, and radar cross section that is too high to avoid detection, as already disclosed by Indian and Taiwan air forces, probably due to the fact that PLAAF has no way to hide the J-20 radar from giving off a big reflection from the front as well as the radar resonance hotspots created by the J-20 canards and its joints. This flying brick's unreliable, weak engines would cause it to loose every dogfight as well. :rofl:
PS, the F-22 would wipe the floor with the J-20 anyday.
 
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Chinese Communist Party propagandists keep making irrelevent posts to hide the fact that the J-20 is a total failure. It has weak engines (unreliable copies of older generation Russian engines), primitive avionics, sensors and weapons, and radar cross section that is too high to avoid detection, as already disclosed by Indian and Taiwan air forces, probably due to the fact that PLAAF has no way to hide the J-20 radar from giving off a big reflection from the front as well as the radar resonance hotspots created by the J-20 canards and its joints. This flying brick's unreliable, weak engines would cause it to loose every dogfight as well. :rofl:
PS, the F-22 would wipe the floor with the J-20 anyday.
Very true. Until the cee cee pee superspreaders find a way to get their hands on a reliable engine, all their joker plane series including j20, j40, j100 and what not will remain just that - jokes. Note how no one prefers to fly civilian planes with Russian engines.
 

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Newly found a piece of our college book: stealth plane design guide:

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It says for F22, 89.9% of exposure comes from the intake design.

in this video they say what it is the reality, stealth can be seen watch the video at minute 17 to 19

J-20 can be detected by A-50 and A-100, by the face of the Russian and by the fact emmiting power is the basis to claim it can be detected
 

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For comparing India's Su57 ? When will you get one after paid 2 billion USD?

If it's overdue, will GOI get money refund?
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this jet is better than J-20, why? better engines and more advanced aerodynamics, the only problem this jet has is limited budget
 

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in this video they say what it is the reality, stealth can be seen watch the video at minute 17 to 19

J-20 can be detected by A-50 and A-100, by the face of the Russian and by the fact emmiting power is the basis to claim it can be detected
Bro, all stealth planes can be detected by lower band radar because they are only stealthy in the upper bands like X and L. But the problem with J-20 is that it has failed even in X-band from the front because of certain technological limitations like not being able to hide the radar from giving off a reflection in the front, which is why the PLAAF kept the canards in spite of them and their joints being detrimental to stealth in X and L bands due to resonance effect.
But I do like the Russian approach because they make up for lack of stealth in many different ways, like counterstealth sensors; and I do like the aerodynamics. The problem here is that higher thrust Russian engines with thrust vectoring are still not as reliable as their western counterparts, but I think they will get there eventually. China is a long way off because even their copies of older generation Russian engines don't last as long, and Chinese sensor capabilities are laughable, because they are using copies of Russian radars and sensors from the 1990s, even though the Chinese pretend like it is more modern: Chinese mantra is "Fake it till you make it."
 
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this jet is better than J-20, why? better engines and more advanced aerodynamics, the only problem this jet has is limited budget
If it's so advanced, IA would place huge orders for building superiority over PLAAF, you can feel how eager for our Indian friends to have better one than China.

But the fact is after they paid 15 billion USD as charity to the Pak-fa project, they already kept silent for almost 5 yrs...
 

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If it's so advanced, IA would place huge orders for building superiority over PLAAF, you can feel how eager for our Indian friends to have better one than China.

But the fact is after they paid 15 billion USD as charity to the Pak-fa project, they already kept silent for almost 5 yrs...
Each nation has priorities but the Russian air force has it, by engine and aerodynamics it is superior to J-20, it will fly faster longer and has stealth in a realistic measure, more stealth does not make it better because aerodynamics get spoiled and stealth can be seen by AWACS

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If it's so advanced, IA would place huge orders for building superiority over PLAAF, you can feel how eager for our Indian friends to have better one than China.

But the fact is after they paid 15 billion USD as charity to the Pak-fa project, they already kept silent for almost 5 yrs...
That is a lie. The Pak-fa deal was cancelled, because at the time it was simply not ready.
Here is why I like the Su-57. Unlike the J-20, it doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
If the Russians figure out how to make the engines reliable enough, the SU-57 will be a world class fighter, especially due to its more modern avionics and sensor system which actually do the job; unlike the J-20, whose primitive avionics and sensors are 2 generations behind the Su-57 in reality, regardless of what PLAAF propaganda says.
 

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That is a lie. The Pak-fa deal was cancelled, because at the time it was simply not ready.
Here is why I like the Su-57. Unlike the J-20, it doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
If the Russians figure out how to make the engines reliable enough, the SU-57 will be a world class fighter, especially due to its more modern avionics and sensor system, which actually do the job, unlike the J-20, whose primitive avionics and sensors are 2 generations behind the Su-57 in reality.
Just one question, did money refund?
 

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The money was never paid. Do your research before posting BS.
India has already paid $295 million to Russia for the preliminary design phase. Official said termination meant that all this money has now gone ‘down the drain.’



I humbly repeat my question: did money refund?
 

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India has already paid $295 million to Russia for the preliminary design phase. Official said termination meant that all this money has now gone ‘down the drain.’



I humbly repeat my question: did money refund?
You said 15 billion in your post above, which is a lie. Hence you were trying to misrepresent facts above. In which universe is 15 billion the same as 295 million? I guess CCP propaganda throws out whatever lie they think can stick, in the hope of achieving their propaganda goals.
Secondly, the Russian government helped out certain Indian black projects (such as nuclear submarine technology) in lieu of that 295 million: So that money also helped India's research and development in certain areas.
 
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You said 15 billion in your post above, which is a lie. Hence you were trying to misrepresent facts above. In which universe is 15 billion the same as 295 million? I guess CCP propaganda throws out whatever lie they think can stick, in the hope of achieving their propaganda goals.
Secondly, the Russian government helped out certain Indian black projects (such as nuclear submarine technology) in lieu of that 295 million: So that money also helped India's research and development in certain areas.
U said never, and asked me to research ...

The money was never paid. Do your research before posting BS.
 

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Chinese Communist Party propagandists keep making irrelevent posts to hide the fact that the J-20 is a total failure. It has weak engines (unreliable copies of older generation Russian engines), primitive avionics, sensors and weapons, and radar cross section that is too high to avoid detection, as already disclosed by Indian and Taiwan air forces, probably due to the fact that PLAAF has no way to hide the J-20 radar from giving off a big reflection from the front as well as the radar resonance hotspots created by the J-20 canards and its joints. This flying brick's unreliable, weak engines would cause it to loose every dogfight as well. :rofl:
PS, the F-22 would wipe the floor with the J-20 anyday.
Don’t under estimate, apart from high quality engines and a autocannon which J-20 lacks, I don’t think J-20 lacks in anything else.

It has an EOTS, EODAS and a stealth design whether you accept it or not.
 

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U said never, and asked me to research ...
I was referring to the 15 billion which was part of the purchase deal, not the initial amount given for research and development. You said above that India paid 15 billion, which was a lie. And India never paid the 15 billion dollars for the final deal, which you claimed it did. Which still means that you were lying in your statement above.
But the fact is after they paid 15 billion USD as charity to the Pak-fa project, they already kept silent for almost 5 yrs...
You were lying in your eagerness to create conflict between Russia and India. But what else can we expect from lying CCP propaganda? :rofl:
 

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Don’t under estimate, apart from high quality engines and a autocannon which J-20 lacks, I don’t think J-20 lacks in anything else.

It has an EOTS, EODAS and a stealth design whether you accept it or not.
Chinese military propaganda always oversells their capabilities. Ask someone who actually has access to intelligence (for example ex-IAF guys on twitter like Nambiar). Don't go by what is published in western media, which is often taking Chinese military propaganda as facts.
The truth is that the capabilities of the PLAAF sensors are still far behind their Russian counterparts, and nowhere near US capabilities, regardless of what Chinese military propaganda claims. Most of them don't work right. The Chinese military just makes them look like modern sensors from the outside.
All listed capabilities of J-20 are overstated, because Chinese military is great at bluffing. This is true of RCS claims, avionics/sensor claims and engine claims. Most outsiders just don't know how much of Chinese military propaganda is BS.
 
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首先,感谢您的支持。我将更新关于F-20空气动力学的肤浅想法和分析。
अबे चमगादड़ प्रेमी यहाँ वूहान फ़्राएड बैट नहीं बिकते, इसलिए अब एक अच्छे भोसडीवाले की तरह पोर्क़िस्तानी डिफ़ेन्स फ़ोरम पे जाके अपनी थूथ चमका।
 

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