- Joined
- Apr 29, 2015
- Messages
- 18,416
- Likes
- 56,946
I'm moving this conversation to ISRO General News & Updates so that human spaceflight thread doesn't get ruined.
Adn what do you think it will cost? IP of a small modern missile costs billions of dollars. Cost of this much tech will be too much to be beard by entire global South combined.
If SAARC is using Indian services, Africans can't even use it.
Is it all about blueprints? It is about decades long trainings building research facilities, building industrial capabilities and finding market for them for expansion. ISRO's budget might be just $2 billions but space economy associated with it directly & indirectly exceeds $30-40 billions. ISRO is open to provide services to most of world while even not all countries need to avail it. Off course what you want to do requires no less than 40 years and India annually spending a huge percentage of India's own budget with no expectation of any kind of returns in short or long term.
Countries like China & India were exceptional cases which tried to be self reliant and were already somewhat industrialised. Rest of what you call global south doesn't have any supply or demand. It's like an elementary class lid which are you asking for graduation. Even local heavy industries substitute for new aerospace orders. Those are not present in Africa.
What I'm elaborating that there is no advantage for Africa either. Countries who have interest in space have forayed into it at various levels. Those who don't won't even show willing for involvement.
Every country has its stages of economic development:
Agriculture → Proto industry → Heavy industry, automobiles and electonics → Aerospace & advanced electronics.
You can't magically bypass stages especially by "helping" a foreign countries. You will only f*ck them up.
Appreciating my concern or giving your opinion won't make a change. Neither I'm a PM or military chief, nor you are a bureaucrat. Nor there is any established framework to proliferate strategic tech.I understand your perspective on sensitive tech., for dual use technology India will need to follow the established framework with this limit
Adn what do you think it will cost? IP of a small modern missile costs billions of dollars. Cost of this much tech will be too much to be beard by entire global South combined.
They don't have an economy of scale. They combined make a large cluster of small states with nevertheless same economic structures. Neither of country in Africa except Arabic ones in North can match any SAARC country.still the collaboration will be beneficial for India and IMHO India will go to this route eventually India tried with SAARC minus pakis but the countries are geographically too small to come into this framework, only bringing 3rd world and African nations can provide economy of scale and increased clout. Here's why:
If SAARC is using Indian services, Africans can't even use it.
1. Howw easy do you think it is easy to "provide" a country with space technology?1. Economic Opportunities: By providing space technologies to African and third-world countries, India can foster economic opportunities through collaboration and partnerships. These countries can leverage space technologies for various applications like communication, agriculture, disaster management, and navigation. This collaboration would lead to economic growth, trade, and investment opportunities for India, expanding its global market reach.
Is it all about blueprints? It is about decades long trainings building research facilities, building industrial capabilities and finding market for them for expansion. ISRO's budget might be just $2 billions but space economy associated with it directly & indirectly exceeds $30-40 billions. ISRO is open to provide services to most of world while even not all countries need to avail it. Off course what you want to do requires no less than 40 years and India annually spending a huge percentage of India's own budget with no expectation of any kind of returns in short or long term.
Countries like China & India were exceptional cases which tried to be self reliant and were already somewhat industrialised. Rest of what you call global south doesn't have any supply or demand. It's like an elementary class lid which are you asking for graduation. Even local heavy industries substitute for new aerospace orders. Those are not present in Africa.
There are little benefits for India yet in space sector. Space technology is still a research for earthlings and all space powers are spending more than they earn from it. African countries have little interest in any kind of research. Not African economies but only populations are growing. Even large part of their economic growth comes from population while income levels are stagnant or negative. They need structural revisions in their economies before involving anyb kind of industries.2. Market Expansion: Distributing space technologies to African and third-world countries allows India to access new markets. These countries, with their growing economies and populations, present untapped potential for space-related industries. ISRO can offer its expertise, products, and services to cater to these emerging markets, leading to increased demand and revenue for India's space sector.
India already provides what can and should be and has strong diplomatic relations for it. If anything more than that was possible, Soviet Union and China would have given them long ago.4. Diplomatic Influence: India's collaboration with African and third-world countries in the space sector can enhance its diplomatic influence on the global stage. By offering assistance and support in space-related endeavors, India can establish strong diplomatic ties and partnerships. This can lead to increased clout and cooperation in various international forums, strengthening India's position as a leader in space technology and exploration.
India doesn't have a shortage of human resources and Africa is little of no involvement in researches. Their requirements are basic human necessities over training.5. Human Resource Development: Collaborating with African and third-world countries provides opportunities for capacity building and human resource development. India can offer training programs, workshops, and scholarships to individuals from these countries, enabling them to acquire technical skills and knowledge in space-related fields. This can contribute to the growth of a skilled workforce in these countries and foster long-term partnerships between India and African nations.
It is nowhere explained that there is any economic advantage for India. Donating key sector to someone is an obvious economic suicide by all means.In summary, a secular distribution of space technologies in African and third-world countries can bring significant benefits to ISRO and India, including economic growth, market expansion, technological advancements, diplomatic influence, and human resource development. By fostering collaboration and sharing expertise, India can establish itself as a global leader in the space sector while empowering and uplifting nations in need of space-related capabilities.
What I'm elaborating that there is no advantage for Africa either. Countries who have interest in space have forayed into it at various levels. Those who don't won't even show willing for involvement.
Economic complexity index - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Agriculture → Proto industry → Heavy industry, automobiles and electonics → Aerospace & advanced electronics.
You can't magically bypass stages especially by "helping" a foreign countries. You will only f*ck them up.
Last edited: