INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Akula]

Why no picatinny rails even in 2020??

Picatinny rails should be there for mounting Scopes and under barrel grenade launcher.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Why no picatinny rails even in 2020??

It has a Picatinny Rail on the upper foregrip. Also the design is based in M1F41 which also has no Picatinny Rail as well.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

INSAS was commissioned for the army in the 90's. I was back then a kid. So, I am not going to make a comment on it.

But seriously I still don't understand why would army choose a weapon which is orange in colour?

 

[Johny_Baba]

INSAS was commissioned for the army in the 90's. I was back then a kid. So, I am not going to make a comment on it.

But seriously I still don't understand why would army choose a weapon which is orange in colour?

well,i've asked this question to a guy whose father is working in BSF

his reply was,"That is because a black firearm would absorb more heat and become so hot in desert like Thar that it becomes uncomfirtable to hold.Orange ? not so much"

I mean,what sort of retard logic is this for getting a firearm whose furniture is coloured in orange ? In this case be it black or orange or even white Thermal Conductivity would be same for all as material used remains same,so there would be not much difference there.

Even the Arabs who're constantly living in hot environments are using various "Black Rifles" like H&K G3 and so,and i've never ever heard about them complaining their firearms being so hot and yada yada - they just be like
"RAIFALS NOT HOT"

 

[porky_kicker]

INSAS was commissioned for the army in the 90's. I was back then a kid. So, I am not going to make a comment on it.

But seriously I still don't understand why would army choose a weapon which is orange in colour?

You might be surprised to know that

Army had specifically asked for the said colour

 

[armyofhind]

Thermal Conductivity would be same for all as material used

thermal conductivity and absorption are two different physical properties.
And yes, thermal absorption would significantly increase with the colour being black.

Not to say, they couldve given the weapon a camo finish.

 

[Suryavanshi]

well,i've asked this question to a guy whose father is working in BSF

his reply was,"That is because a black firearm would absorb more heat and become so hot in desert like Thar that it becomes uncomfirtable to hold.Orange ? not so much"

I mean,what sort of retard logic is this for getting a firearm whose furniture is coloured in orange ? In this case be it black or orange or even white Thermal Conductivity would be same for all as material used remains same,so there would be not much difference there.

Even the Arabs who're constantly living in hot environments are using various "Black Rifles" like H&K G3 and so,and i've never ever heard about them complaining their firearms being so hot and yada yada - they just be like
"RAIFALS NOT HOT"

One thing invoked my curiosity.

How does a soldier issue a firearm.

Suppose I'm a new soldier and my first posting is in kashmir, where do I collect my gun.
Suppose after this I am transferred to Rajasthan so Do I carry the same gun with me or do I get a new one?
@Mikesingh

It would make sense for gun based in Gujrat and Rajasthan to adapt a deset camo.
But if the gun is being rotated among region then it may become difficult.

 

[Mikesingh]

One thing invoked my curiosity.

How does a soldier issue a firearm.

Suppose I'm a new soldier and my first posting is in kashmir, where do I collect my gun.
Suppose after this I am transferred to Rajasthan so Do I carry the same gun with me or do I get a new one?
@Mikesingh

It would make sense for gun based in Gujrat and Rajasthan to adapt a deset camo.
But if the gun is being rotated among region then it may become difficult.

No rifle belongs to a jawan permanently. A jawan posted to a unit in a peace station is issued a rifle which is kept in the unit kote, a place where all weapons of the unit are kept. He withdraws his weapon when required after signing in the kote register and returns it to the kote in the evening which is locked and the keys kept in the unit quarter guard.

In operational areas like in Kashmir/LoC etc, the weapon is kept with the jawan. However, on his posting to another unit, the weapon is returned to the unit and another one issued in the new unit following the same procedure as mentioned above.

If the whole unit moves to another location all weapons are taken along with the unit except weapons deemed as Sector Stores. These are handed over to the replacing unit and not taken along.

Where unit B vehicles are concerned, these are handed over to the replacing unit and not taken along. The unit moves to the new location by vehicles provided by ASC Transport Companies or if the distance is large, rolling stock is provided by the railways to transport the unit to the new location.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Excalibur MK-1 in active service against Naxals

 

[Blue Water Navy]

You might be surprised to know that

Army had specifically asked for the said colour

And what is the reason behind it? To kill the enemy by giving them heart attack through laugh.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

well,i've asked this question to a guy whose father is working in BSF

his reply was,"That is because a black firearm would absorb more heat and become so hot in desert like Thar that it becomes uncomfirtable to hold.Orange ? not so much"

I mean,what sort of retard logic is this for getting a firearm whose furniture is coloured in orange ? In this case be it black or orange or even white Thermal Conductivity would be same for all as material used remains same,so there would be not much difference there.

Even the Arabs who're constantly living in hot environments are using various "Black Rifles" like H&K G3 and so,and i've never ever heard about them complaining their firearms being so hot and yada yada - they just be like
"RAIFALS NOT HOT"

Hearing your logic. I stand by my opinion. The aim was to kill the enemy by making them laugh so hard that their heart would have collapsed.:bounce:

 

[Kchontha]

Excalibur MK-1 in active service against Naxals
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I'd be more happier if I see a 30 round magazine on this rather than lesser round like this....

 

[Blue Water Navy]

CRPF receives 500 Trichy Assault Rifles (TAR) out of an order of 6,167 rifles. Around 10,000 rifles have been delivered to various Central and State Police and Paramilitary units till date.

New rifles appear to have an integrated Picatinny Rail on the upper foregrip.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...y-assault-rifles/amp_articleshow/74595743.cms

TAR rifle was previously given to the BSF in 2018.

SSB appears to have obtained the rifle in 2019-20 as well.

More or less they all looks like world war 2 weapons.

 

[porky_kicker]

And what is the reason behind it? To kill the enemy by giving them heart attack through laugh.

Ask the army they came up with such stupid requirements

 

[Ujjain]

well,i've asked this question to a guy whose father is working in BSF

his reply was,"That is because a black firearm would absorb more heat and become so hot in desert like Thar that it becomes uncomfirtable to hold.Orange ? not so much"

I mean,what sort of retard logic is this for getting a firearm whose furniture is coloured in orange ? In this case be it black or orange or even white Thermal Conductivity would be same for all as material used remains same,so there would be not much difference there.

Even the Arabs who're constantly living in hot environments are using various "Black Rifles" like H&K G3 and so,and i've never ever heard about them complaining their firearms being so hot and yada yada - they just be like
"RAIFALS NOT HOT"

My father's logic was that it looked like SLR so it was easier on training teams to train our troops. Infact when my father received this rifle he felt it was like SLR while first time holding it but things changed after their unit started receiving it while they were in leh.

 

[vampyrbladez]

More or less they all looks like world war 2 weapons.

Bro the AK 47 (7.62x39 mm) inspired by the STG-44 (7.92x33 mm) which was introduced earlier as the MP-43 in 1943 and then as the aforementioned in 1944. Mikhail Kalashnikov was inspired by the rifle and started designing something similar while in hospital and the rifle was accepted into limited service in 1947.

The AK 47 was milled steel just like the M1F41 and it's OFB copy the TAR (Trichy Assault Rifle). The Soviets then had to use German POWs and scientists who were captured to make stamped steel versions that were lighter and cheaper like the STG-44. This new variant was called the AKM and was introduced in 1959.

So in summary STG-44 > AK 47 > AKM > AK 74 (1974 ; 5.45x39 mm) > AK 100 series ; M1F41 ; TAR > AK 200 series ; M5F41.

The only thing one must add here is that while heavier and more expensive, milled steel AKs last forever if cleaned occasionally while stamped steel will begin to show cracks in the upper receiver after 10,000 - 100,000 rounds fired.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Well Army doesn't always prefer the orange furniture
And out enemy is no different. They also have orange/red/bright brown furniture on their Type 56 except the modified ones.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

No rifle belongs to a jawan permanently. A jawan posted to a unit in a peace station is issued a rifle which is kept in the unit kote, a place where all weapons of the unit are kept. He withdraws his weapon when required after signing in the kote register and returns it to the kote in the evening which is locked and the keys kept in the unit quarter guard.

In operational areas like in Kashmir/LoC etc, the weapon is kept with the jawan. However, on his posting to another unit, the weapon is returned to the unit and another one issued in the new unit following the same procedure as mentioned above.

If the whole unit moves to another location all weapons are taken along with the unit except weapons deemed as Sector Stores. These are handed over to the replacing unit and not taken along.

Where unit B vehicles are concerned, these are handed over to the replacing unit and not taken along. The unit moves to the new location by vehicles provided by ASC Transport Companies or if the distance is large, rolling stock is provided by the railways to transport the unit to the new location.

So, what's the protocol followed for Zeroing in the weapon issued to soldiers?

 

[vampyrbladez]

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Well Army doesn't always prefer the orange h furniture
And out enemy is no different. They also have orange/red/bright brown furniture on their Type 56 except the modified ones.

I feel bad for the soldier who received an INSAS rifle. You get the only rifle which is burst fire and has poor reliability.

 

[AbRaj]

I feel bad for the soldier who received an INSAS rifle. You get the only rifle which is burst fire and has poor reliability.

Why cant some pvt company try to upgrade INSAS with modern furniture and gadgets.
Like fibre body/stock , pistol grip , integrated p-rails etc ?
I don’t think its too hard to do.
Underlying mechanism is not bad IMO and it has undergone a lot of changes already .
Something similar to what FAB defence is doing for AKs @Unknowncommando 2 and @Gessler @porky_kicker