INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[captscooby81]

Is that Our IAC Vikrant ???? If its thanks for the lovely pictures its an delight for an indian eyes ..

some much-loved 'imagery updates' ...lol...source: CD forum....

photo taken in Dec 2016

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newer one in Mar 2017

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[indiandefencefan]

some much-loved 'imagery updates' ...lol...source: CD forum....

photo taken in Dec 2016

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newer one in Mar 2017

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Hi, can you please post the link to the forum. Would like to check it out. Thanks.

 

[wuzetian]

INS Vikrant at Dry dock ..

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You have other thread to discuses such topics ..

Keep this thread till IAC-1 development and news ..

Ahhh... the CSl dry dock ...I think it is the repair dock which is larger than the building dock . After a ship floats it is moved out of the building dock to use it for other building projects , outfitting and other work in done in the repair dock when painting the hull or repair of underwater areas have to be done.

One think I can tell u guys is that the smell was dreadful there ..all rotting shell fish and sea weeds .

When water used to be drained out by pumps people with nets used to catch the fish trapped behind

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[A chauhan]

Recent image IAC 1 from facebook ....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

12 August 2013,
INS Vikrant was launched, no body cared.

26 April 2017
PLAN Shandong was launched
And everyone loses their mind.

Media needs to have some basic knowledge to evaluate any military hardware or development. As we see, everyone is so fussing about Shandong as it just gave a port call in Indian Ocean Region.

Way back in 2013 when Vikrant was launched, it made headlines only till the next day in Indian Media. And half of the contents were filled up with how it was delayed regularly and have shot the price up. The headlines were bolder than her potential. Of course, how much analysis of military hardware can we possibly expect from our media.

The most favourite line which is being used is, China have surpassed India in Carrier race. The clearly One as to Two advantage.

New flash………”VIKRANT”

IT'S JUST A LAUNCH, Not An Operational Deployment.
It will take a dawn of next decade to see her carrier group operationally deployed beyond Chinese waters, only after 2020. Because there is something called crew training and aviators of carrier.

On the other side of the world, as everyone have completely ignored Vikrant, she will be ready for operational Deployment as well. There is something Chinese don't have with respect to Indian navy, and that is Experience.
Remember, Lioning is just a crew training ship.So no advantage in numbers.

Source : https://www.facebook.com/TeamINDRA/

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Vikrant is now one step closer to completion. It can be seen that MF-STAR radars are installed and works on installing Selex RAN-40L is progressing (it seems India already received the radar from Finmeccanica subsidiary). CSL hopes to begin builder's sea trials by mid 2017, and deliver the carrier by early 2018.

Recent image IAC 1 from facebook ....

 

[captscooby81]

Can anyone see the IAC Vikrant in the background this is just today s picture looks like the MF-STAR work is completed now ..

 

[singhboy98]

12 August 2013,
INS Vikrant was launched, no body cared.

26 April 2017
PLAN Shandong was launched
And everyone loses their mind.

Media needs to have some basic knowledge to evaluate any military hardware or development. As we see, everyone is so fussing about Shandong as it just gave a port call in Indian Ocean Region.

Way back in 2013 when Vikrant was launched, it made headlines only till the next day in Indian Media. And half of the contents were filled up with how it was delayed regularly and have shot the price up. The headlines were bolder than her potential. Of course, how much analysis of military hardware can we possibly expect from our media.

The most favourite line which is being used is, China have surpassed India in Carrier race. The clearly One as to Two advantage.

New flash………”VIKRANT”

IT'S JUST A LAUNCH, Not An Operational Deployment.
It will take a dawn of next decade to see her carrier group operationally deployed beyond Chinese waters, only after 2020. Because there is something called crew training and aviators of carrier.

On the other side of the world, as everyone have completely ignored Vikrant, she will be ready for operational Deployment as well. There is something Chinese don't have with respect to Indian navy, and that is Experience.
Remember, Lioning is just a crew training ship.So no advantage in numbers.

Source : https://www.facebook.com/TeamINDRA/

Who cares for the MSM anyway. Most sane people in our country had given up on the MSM in 2014 only. The rest gave up after UP elections. And IMHO, it is always better to be the dark horse.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What MSM and what UP election has to do with INS Vikrant development and news ?

Who cares for the MSM anyway. Most sane people in our country had given up on the MSM in 2014 only. The rest gave up after UP elections. And IMHO, it is always better to be the dark horse.

 

[singhboy98]

What MSM and what UP election has to do with INS Vikrant development and news ?

Well, it was the MSM which generated all the hype around the Chinese carrier while always highlighting the shortcomings (real and imaginary) of the INS Vikrant. The mention of the UP elections was intended to convey the zero credibility of the MSM among the masses. No political overtones intended.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Well, it was the MSM which generated all the hype around the Chinese carrier while always highlighting the shortcomings (real and imaginary) of the INS Vikrant. The mention of the UP elections was intended to convey the zero credibility of the MSM among the masses. No political overtones intended.

What does MSM stand for?
30 characters are also not intended but it gets there.

 

[singhboy98]

What does MSM stand for?
30 characters are also not intended but it gets there.

MSM = Main Stream Media. Includes almost every major news channel.

 

[WolfPack86]

Vikrant Update

It can be seen that MF-STAR radars are installed and works on installing Selex RAN-40L is progressing.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[Khagesh]

12 August 2013,
INS Vikrant was launched, no body cared.

26 April 2017
PLAN Shandong was launched
And everyone loses their mind.

Media needs to have some basic knowledge to evaluate any military hardware or development. As we see, everyone is so fussing about Shandong as it just gave a port call in Indian Ocean Region.

Source : https://www.facebook.com/TeamINDRA/

Sorry sir but there is some logic to this madness.

1) Type 001A is a national project (chinese radar and most likely a chinese engine with an aircraft complement that ensures that they cannot be blackmailed in wartimes). Vikrant is an import opportunity laying ground for further imports. Be it aircrafts, radars, engines or catapults, everything on Vikrant is already imported or being prepped up for imports. Except the shell, wiring and crew what is going to be Indian on Vikrant?

2) Type 001A begins the process whereby chinese will be stationing 2 carriers in pacific and 2 more in Indian Ocean. 2/3 ratio implies the chinese will ultimately make 6 carriers to achieve this aim. What politico-military growth does Vikrant bring to the table for us?

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1033999.shtml
Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Navy Equipment Research Center, told CCTV.
Yin said "in order to protect China's territories and overseas interests, China needs two carrier strike groups in the West Pacific Ocean and two in the Indian Ocean. So we need at least five to six aircraft carriers."

3) Type 001A also marks the expansion of their marine corp from 20000 to 100000 headcounts. What does Vikrant signify?

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...you-should-know-about-chinas-first-home-built
The size of the marine corps, for example, will be increased from about 20,000 to 100,000, military sources have told the South China Morning Post.

4) Type 001A is nearly the same thing as a brand new Liaoning/Kuznetsov implying there was no design over-reach attempted, this is ultimately expected to give the chinese a development path to a Nuke-CATOBAR carrier in the Type 002 in the next stage. Net result they go from 0-2 lag against us to may be like 4:2 lead by 2025. See no time wasted in EMALs - Wimals. How is the follow-on Carrier to Vikrant going to benefit from the learnings in Vikrant.

https://www.rt.com/news/377332-china-third-aircraft-carrier/
Some rumors suggested that the Type 002 aircraft carrier may feature nuclear propulsion and an advanced electromagnetic launch (EM) system, but the SCMP source says this will not be the case.

“There are still some technical problems applying nuclear propulsion to the carrier platform, so the Type 002 will still use steam catapults,” the source said.

5) There is something about the attitude too:
While the recent launch of their first passenger jet made in China they have made sure to remember how they had to endure slights - search for '800 million shirts for 1 passenger jet' and you will know how the chinese have remained ever-mindful of the fact that they are behind. When Wen Jiabao says something their own people take it seriously.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/05/chinas-first-homemade-passenger-jet-makes-maiden-flight/
As early as 2005, Bo Xilai, then the Minister of Commerce, told the Europeans at a Sino-French seminar in Paris, “Because of the low profit margins of Chinese textile products, China needs to export 800 million shirts in order to buy one Airbus A380.” The comparison was immediately widely reported in China. Even now, after Bo himself ended up in prison in 2013 for a huge political scandal and his own name has become taboo in Chinese media, his famous phrase of “800 million shirts for one plane” is quoted again and again. After the maiden flight, many Chinese netizens exclaimed that the era of “800 million shirts for one plane” was over.

In 2007, Wen Jiabao, the incumbent premier, (and later to be Bo’s political rival later), approved the grand project of making China’s own passenger planes and agreed to form the large passenger plane company, COMAC. Wen emphasized on the importance of the project on numerous occasions as well:

To have China’s passenger aircraft flying in the blue sky is the will of both the state and the people. We must make this matter a success and achieve the dream of generations. This is not only the need of the aviation industry, but also the need of building an innovative nation. The development of passenger aircraft will lead to a number of technological upgrades in various major areas.

It is obvious that Wen’s words laid the foundation for current official statements.

In India being behind is thought of as good. Even during the height of demonetization mess there was a 26 member US military delegation being hosted in Delhi.

With these kinds of differences it is obvious the world (including Indian press) takes note when the chinese speak.

 

[Spectribution]

Sorry sir but there is some logic to this madness.

1) Type 001A is a national project (chinese radar and most likely a chinese engine with an aircraft complement that ensures that they cannot be blackmailed in wartimes). Vikrant is an import opportunity laying ground for further imports. Be it aircrafts, radars, engines or catapults, everything on Vikrant is already imported or being prepped up for imports. Except the shell, wiring and crew what is going to be Indian on Vikrant?

2) Type 001A begins the process whereby chinese will be stationing 2 carriers in pacific and 2 more in Indian Ocean. 2/3 ratio implies the chinese will ultimately make 6 carriers to achieve this aim. What politico-military growth does Vikrant bring to the table for us?


3) Type 001A also marks the expansion of their marine corp from 20000 to 100000 headcounts. What does Vikrant signify?


4) Type 001A is nearly the same thing as a brand new Liaoning/Kuznetsov implying there was no design over-reach attempted, this is ultimately expected to give the chinese a development path to a Nuke-CATOBAR carrier in the Type 002 in the next stage. Net result they go from 0-2 lag against us to may be like 4:2 lead by 2025. See no time wasted in EMALs - Wimals. How is the follow-on Carrier to Vikrant going to benefit from the learnings in Vikrant.



5) There is something about the attitude too:
While the recent launch of their first passenger jet made in China they have made sure to remember how they had to endure slights - search for '800 million shirts for 1 passenger jet' and you will know how the chinese have remained ever-mindful of the fact that they are behind. When Wen Jiabao says something their own people take it seriously.


In India being behind is thought of as good. Even during the height of demonetization mess there was a 26 member US military delegation being hosted in Delhi.

With these kinds of differences it is obvious the world (including Indian press) takes note when the chinese speak.

India has 1 operation carrier INS Vikramaditya. We will get the partially operational INS Vikrant next year end. US has sanctioned key tech to build nuke carrier. This puts us leagues over PLAN as they are still firming up tech with Soviet blueprints.

New aircraft for navy is Rafale N. We are inducting new shipyards especially private ones to fabricate LPDs and corvettes. As long as Modi doesn't get assassinated we should be fine in 4- 5 years.

 

[Filtercoffee]

India has 1 operation carrier INS Vikramaditya. We will get the partially operational INS Vikrant next year end. US has sanctioned key tech to build nuke carrier. This puts us leagues over PLAN as they are still firming up tech with Soviet blueprints.

New aircraft for navy is Rafale N. We are inducting new shipyards especially private ones to fabricate LPDs and corvettes. As long as Modi doesn't get assassinated we should be fine in 4- 5 years.

I think the choice of aircraft is a bit large for the IAC-1 series, the Tejas MK-2 is much better atleast in the specifications stated, we should wait for the tests and evaluations coming up soon.

 

[IndianHawk]

Sorry sir but there is some logic to this madness.

1) Type 001A is a national project (chinese radar and most likely a chinese engine with an aircraft complement that ensures that they cannot be blackmailed in wartimes). Vikrant is an import opportunity laying ground for further imports. Be it aircrafts, radars, engines or catapults, everything on Vikrant is already imported or being prepped up for imports. Except the shell, wiring and crew what is going to be Indian on Vikrant?

2) Type 001A begins the process whereby chinese will be stationing 2 carriers in pacific and 2 more in Indian Ocean. 2/3 ratio implies the chinese will ultimately make 6 carriers to achieve this aim. What politico-military growth does Vikrant bring to the table for us?


3) Type 001A also marks the expansion of their marine corp from 20000 to 100000 headcounts. What does Vikrant signify?


4) Type 001A is nearly the same thing as a brand new Liaoning/Kuznetsov implying there was no design over-reach attempted, this is ultimately expected to give the chinese a development path to a Nuke-CATOBAR carrier in the Type 002 in the next stage. Net result they go from 0-2 lag against us to may be like 4:2 lead by 2025. See no time wasted in EMALs - Wimals. How is the follow-on Carrier to Vikrant going to benefit from the learnings in Vikrant.



5) There is something about the attitude too:
While the recent launch of their first passenger jet made in China they have made sure to remember how they had to endure slights - search for '800 million shirts for 1 passenger jet' and you will know how the chinese have remained ever-mindful of the fact that they are behind. When Wen Jiabao says something their own people take it seriously.


In India being behind is thought of as good. Even during the height of demonetization mess there was a 26 member US military delegation being hosted in Delhi.

With these kinds of differences it is obvious the world (including Indian press) takes note when the chinese speak.

Chinese developments are not one off. They are results of continued improvements in every field for nearly 3 decades. We obviously lag behind but things are improving at home and we are picking up pace in almost all fields too.

We need to focus on our priorities rather then comparing with china we must also learn from Chinese shortcomings. Their obsession of everything home made defies the logic of most optimum equipment / quality so we must march ahead with joint ventures with Western countries so we maintain technological edge on china even with lesser hardware.

I agree work on vikrant needs to be faster and indigenization need to improve . But given the size of our economy Chinese are still no match for us in Indian ocean that's not just coincidence.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Whatever you said that makes it 60% indigenous, I will also add the propulsion is Indian origin also as these are license made by some private firm, I should also add many of her sensors are Indian also so does majority of electronics that makes her almost 65-70% Indian, The rest will get indigenous as the second carrier get into action ..

Our doctrine and tactics with related to geography is different so does our employment of equipment, Like you see from PLAN view, Carry out same analysis from IN view, You will get most of your answer, In case you find something troubling please do ask ..

Sorry sir but there is some logic to this madness.

1) Type 001A is a national project (chinese radar and most likely a chinese engine with an aircraft complement that ensures that they cannot be blackmailed in wartimes). Vikrant is an import opportunity laying ground for further imports. Be it aircrafts, radars, engines or catapults, everything on Vikrant is already imported or being prepped up for imports. Except the shell, wiring and crew what is going to be Indian on Vikrant?

2) Type 001A begins the process whereby chinese will be stationing 2 carriers in pacific and 2 more in Indian Ocean. 2/3 ratio implies the chinese will ultimately make 6 carriers to achieve this aim. What politico-military growth does Vikrant bring to the table for us?


3) Type 001A also marks the expansion of their marine corp from 20000 to 100000 headcounts. What does Vikrant signify?


4) Type 001A is nearly the same thing as a brand new Liaoning/Kuznetsov implying there was no design over-reach attempted, this is ultimately expected to give the chinese a development path to a Nuke-CATOBAR carrier in the Type 002 in the next stage. Net result they go from 0-2 lag against us to may be like 4:2 lead by 2025. See no time wasted in EMALs - Wimals. How is the follow-on Carrier to Vikrant going to benefit from the learnings in Vikrant.

 

[Spectribution]

I think the choice of aircraft is a bit large for the IAC-1 series, the Tejas MK-2 is much better atleast in the specifications stated, we should wait for the tests and evaluations coming up soon.

Tejas MK2 is next decade. We need a proven next gen aircraft ASAP. Rafale N is perfect as both IAF and IN will use it.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Tejas MK2 is next decade. We need a proven next gen aircraft ASAP. Rafale N is perfect as both IAF and IN will use it.

The Airwing could wait for the series (MK-2) 2022-2025, sticking with the current fleet is a great choice as it is easy on the pocket as well.