INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[Bleh]

As for the J15 only hanging on air-to-air missiles,

We know... It's the only 4 that's being pointed put here. Literally the LCA Navy carries more. Mig-29K can do 8.
So yeah, it's shit at that task too.

Let's see how J-31 fares.

 

[lixun]

We know... It's the only 4 that's being pointed put here. Literally the LCA Navy carries more. Mig-29K can do 8.
So yeah, it's shit at that task too.

Let's see how J-31 fares.

I have written a few posts to prove that the J15's mounting capability is higher than that of the MIG29K. As for the pictures, you can look at all the pictures of the Chinese Air Force fighters. The air combat mounts are two PL12/PL15 and two PL8/PL10, you It is impossible to infer the mount capacity from the picture

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

I have written a few posts to prove that the J15's mounting capability is higher than that of the MIG29K. As for the pictures, you can look at all the pictures of the Chinese Air Force fighters. The air combat mounts are two PL12/PL15 and two PL8/PL10, you It is impossible to infer the mount capacity from the picture

Please…pl12/pl15 are unproven missiles. The only thing the PLAAF will mount are cardboard cutouts of PL12/PL15 like they did in the military parades.

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

I have written a few posts to prove that the J15's mounting capability is higher than that of the MIG29K. As for the pictures, you can look at all the pictures of the Chinese Air Force fighters. The air combat mounts are two PL12/PL15 and two PL8/PL10, you It is impossible to infer the mount capacity from the picture

Post pictures of J 15 with heavy missile load and on the carrier or it didn't happen

 

[lixun]

Please…pl12/pl15 are unproven missiles. The only thing the PLAAF will mount are cardboard cutouts of PL12/PL15 like they did in the military parades.

If you think so, then I have nothing to say

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

If you think so, then I have nothing to say

Not think so. I know so. There hasn’t been a single independent assessment of PL12/PL15 anywhere. But there have been excessive CCP sponsored propaganda on it. Lethal weapon systems hardly need propaganda and are known by battle mettle and regular development tests. Another indication is your enemy taking concrete action to ward off the threat. No militaries anywhere in the world feel threatened by PL15 and are not even discussing it, which clearly shows the world has dismissed PL15 as another CCP propaganda and moved on.

 

[lixun]

Rather Leasing 18-20 F-18 hornets will be a better idea amount of Weapons package and Avionics range it gives is beyond mig-29K

Which is Unreliable platform and poor serviceability

Also Uncompatible with New ASW platforms like P8I and Sikorsky SH-60 Asw

If lift is 11ft or need a refit

As now Hornet is 9.322 metres folded

Hope Navy will pitch for it extensively

If india needs to have Edge on its adversaries
Then its need best not second best

Now
It cannot be settle for Second best after spending over 10-15 billion $ on 2 CBG groups

Do you think that all fighter jets that can be put in the hangar can be used?
How about the data link,
How to perform takeoff preparation
How does CEC fight (if India has CEC)

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Here’s a good article on facts based quality assessment of Chinese weapons. Some bias is there as some of the statements are from China’s competitors but the totality of information points to significant quality issues. The very fact that Chinese weapons are only purchased for cost reasons by nations that cannot access high quality weapons clearly shows that most Chinese weapons are second grade. The article presents some concrete cases where the Chinese advanced equipment failed miserably.

Chinese military equipment lack quality, say experts

China is making significant headway in terms of international arms sales, with the country having surged into fifth place globally and now trailing only the USA, Russia, France and Germany respectively. However, there are numerous signs that the quality of Chinese military products is lacking...

www.business-standard.com

 

[lixun]

Here’s a good article on facts based quality assessment of Chinese weapons. Some bias is there as some of the statements are from China’s competitors but the totality of information points to significant quality issues. The very fact that Chinese weapons are only purchased for cost reasons by nations that cannot access high quality weapons clearly shows that most Chinese weapons are second grade. The article presents some concrete cases where the Chinese advanced equipment failed miserably.

Chinese military equipment lack quality, say experts

China is making significant headway in terms of international arms sales, with the country having surged into fifth place globally and now trailing only the USA, Russia, France and Germany respectively. However, there are numerous signs that the quality of Chinese military products is lacking...

www.business-standard.com

Do you really think so from the bottom of your heart?
I'm just curious

 

[SKC]

Rather Leasing 18-20 F-18 hornets will be a better idea amount of Weapons package and Avionics range it gives is beyond mig-29K

Which is Unreliable platform and poor serviceability

Also Uncompatible with New ASW platforms like P8I and Sikorsky SH-60 Asw

If lift is 11ft or need a refit

As now Hornet is 9.322 metres folded

Hope Navy will pitch for it extensively

If india needs to have Edge on its adversaries
Then its need best not second best

Now
It cannot be settle for Second best after spending over 10-15 billion $ on 2 CBG groups

F-18 is probably the Best carrier born aircraft currently in the world.
But can we integrate them easily with Vikrant? Just buy them and start launching them from deck?
I don't think so it is that simple and straight forward.
We would need to make good no of changes in Carrier avionics and programs.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Do you really think so from the bottom of your heart?
I'm just curious

Yes, from the crash record of WingLoong-II in non combat patrols and trials, I definitely think that chinese weapons are 3rd class.

 

[India Super Power]

Do you think that all fighter jets that can be put in the hangar can be used?
How about the data link,
How to perform takeoff preparation
How does CEC fight (if India has CEC)

Again ignorant bullshit
India has developed its own cec
On 15 May 2019, the Indian Navy became the second service in the world after the United States, and the first in Asia, to have developed the capability, by conducting the maiden cooperative engagement firing of the Barak 8. The firing was undertaken on the Western Seaboard by 2 Kolkata-class destroyers, INS Kochi and INS Chennai wherein the missiles of both ships were controlled by one ship to intercept different aerial targets at extended ranges. The trial was carried out by the Indian Navy, DRDO and Israel Aerospace Industries. The capability would be rolled out on all future major warships of the Indian Navy.[11]

The test employed the full Joint Taskforce Coordination (JTC) mode which implements the Barak 8 ‘Cooperative Engagement’ operating mode. The trial comprised two complex scenarios involving multiple platforms and several simultaneous targets.

The destroyers detected multiple targets using their EL/M-2248 MF-STAR radars and launched several missiles at those targets. What was different was that only one of the ships controlled the engagement, intercepting different aerial targets at extended ranges by the missiles fired from both ships using the systems’ JTC mode. The test demonstrated the ability of MRSAM to operate wide area air defense, distributing assets and control over different platforms and locations. Previous MRSAM firing trials were conducted on a single platform, in the stand-alone mode.

First and foremost remember China has bigger numbers and can add newer technologies to it doesn't other countries can't have it we have good engineers and can develop tech only problem is funding

 

[Dark Sorrow]

MiG-29 has nothing to do with LM2500, don’t try to act fool using fancy names of equipments and systems to stay relevant here. You won’t become Cool using randomly picked equipment names.

And whether the two LM2500 can provide fast enough speed to help MIG29 take off and land is also a question.

Lixun means to says how much can the LM2500 engine accelerate the ship to aid Mig-29k take off by reducing the Mig's speed onboard the carrier.
Take-off speed of Mig-29 is approximately around 220km/hr and takeoff runway length is approximately 260 meters with after burners.
If the ship is moving with speed of 30 knots in forward direction (i.e. in direction of ski jump), the Migs will have to get speed of 170-180km/hr aboard the carrier to achieve take off speed from carrier.
220 (required speed) - 55 (speed of ship) = 165km/hr (Mig's speed aboard the carrier).

 

[lixun]

Again ignorant bullshit
India has developed its own cec
On 15 May 2019, the Indian Navy became the second service in the world after the United States, and the first in Asia, to have developed the capability, by conducting the maiden cooperative engagement firing of the Barak 8. The firing was undertaken on the Western Seaboard by 2 Kolkata-class destroyers, INS Kochi and INS Chennai wherein the missiles of both ships were controlled by one ship to intercept different aerial targets at extended ranges. The trial was carried out by the Indian Navy, DRDO and Israel Aerospace Industries. The capability would be rolled out on all future major warships of the Indian Navy.[11]

The test employed the full Joint Taskforce Coordination (JTC) mode which implements the Barak 8 ‘Cooperative Engagement’ operating mode. The trial comprised two complex scenarios involving multiple platforms and several simultaneous targets.

The destroyers detected multiple targets using their EL/M-2248 MF-STAR radars and launched several missiles at those targets. What was different was that only one of the ships controlled the engagement, intercepting different aerial targets at extended ranges by the missiles fired from both ships using the systems’ JTC mode. The test demonstrated the ability of MRSAM to operate wide area air defense, distributing assets and control over different platforms and locations. Previous MRSAM firing trials were conducted on a single platform, in the stand-alone mode.

First and foremost remember China has bigger numbers and can add newer technologies to it doesn't other countries can't have it we have good engineers and can develop tech only problem is funding

You are not the first. China’s HQ9B and Japan’s SM3 are both earlier than India. The coordination of the second early warning aircraft and missiles, and the coordination of satellites and missiles are very important.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Do you really think so from the bottom of your heart?
I'm just curious

Yes. It is logical even:
- if China truly had quality weaponry, it would be competing well with the US and Russian and French in the global arms market. Try to get a rich country like the UAE with access to western tech to buy a Chinese drone.
- there would be a body of formal literature examining Chinese weapons systems, with adversaries spending significant money and even mounting some spying operations trying to steal information from China. Note how it is the Chinese stealing IP from others but not the other way round.
- countries will be developing specific programs to counter Chinese capabilities. Not a single country has actually put money in and developed any novel system to counter Chinese weapons. Some countries like India have just bought more advanced weapons to numerically balance out the power equation, but really no investment into more deterrent power. Notice how the US has dismissed the so called carrier-killer missile as not a threat. But against the Soviet Union, Soviet weapons had their own NATO designations and active counter weapons were constantly developed fearing Soviet weapon power.
- China would be participating in international exhibitions showcasing its weapons power. Notice how all the top weapons manufacturers participate in leading events and actively compete. Chinese are nowhere.
- China must use its weapons in a war scenario to prove its lethality. American, French, Russian, Israeli weapons have been used by all kinds of military all over the world. Unless someone truly deploys Chinese weaponry in war against a competent system, it is very difficult for Chinese weapons to be taken as seriously as western or Russian weapons.
- Finally, China did not develop weapons systems because it could but because it had no other option. CCP would never get its hands on advanced western or Russian weaponry. And hence has to constantly put up a propaganda that it has “superior” weaponry. But like I said, no one is buying it , literally.

 

[WARREN SS]

F-18 is probably the Best carrier born aircraft currently in the world.
But can we integrate them easily with Vikrant? Just buy them and start launching them from deck?
I don't think so it is that simple and straight forward.
We would need to make good no of changes in Carrier avionics and programs.

That is what indigenous AC ment to for

Also the amount of US surveillance and ASW aircraft we are including in Service
Which clearly incompatible with Mig-29K
The mig-29 K losing its Usefulness for Indian navy day by day

So far navy already commenced carrier trials for F-18
It's going well

The delivery of the aircraft will be usually take 2-3 years

By then Training program will be over.

 

[Tactical Doge]

 

[SKC]

That is what indigenous AC ment to for

Also the amount of US surveillance and ASW aircraft we are including in Service
Which clearly incompatible with Mig-29K
The mig-29 K losing its Usefulness for Indian navy day by day

So far navy already commenced carrier trials for F-18
It's going well

The delivery of the aircraft will be usually take 2-3 years

By then Training program will be over.

Where is the F-18 trial happening in India?

Lots of assumption with "carrier is meant to do". This is not same as carrier can actually do?
Again these are not lego set that we will swap out current system and put another new system to host F18 on the carrier.

It has been designed with Migs in mind.

 

[WARREN SS]

Where is the F-18 trial happening in India?

Lots of assumption with "carrier is meant to do". This is not same as carrier can actually do?
Again these are not lego set that we will swap out current system and put another new system to host F18 on the carrier.

It has been designed with Migs in mind.

Boeing is full confident on this
Read it it will answer many of your questions

F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet can operate effectively from Indian Navy aircraft carriers: Ankur Kanaglekar, Boeing

For the Rs 24,000-crore project, the US aerospace giant has pitched its twin seater F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet which can operate from a `ski-jump’ ramp and be an enabler for secure Indo-Pacific.

www.google.com

 

[India Super Power]

You are not the first. China’s HQ9B and Japan’s SM3 are both earlier than India. The coordination of the second early warning aircraft and missiles, and the coordination of satellites and missiles are very important.

I mean indigenous(so no japan) and China was not first in cec