INS Sindhurakshak catches fire at naval dockyard in Mumbai

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'Torpedoes are coolest place to sleep on'


NEW DELHI: Showers, shaves and sunlight are in short supply, but the thing that bothers submariners the most is lack of space. A boat — a submarine is always called that — is a narrow claustrophobic warren where young men (most of the crew is in their twenties) spend weeks on end, leading extremely structured lives. Danger is a constant companion as the men whose lives are now under arc-light as investigators seek answers to the mysterious blasts aboard INS Sindhurakshak found out.

Both within the navy and in public perception, a submariner doesn't have the glamour that, say a fighter pilot or commando has. Despite the criticality of submarines to its power projection and operations, the Indian navy has had only one submariner as its chief ever, Admiral VS Shekhawat.

Life beneath the surface isn't for the faint-hearted. Just the dimensions of the tube are scary. An average nuclear submarine is about 80 metres long, 9.9 metres wide and about the same in height, not even enough for a sailor to stand straight.

An officer who has spent several years in a kilo class submarine like the INS Sindhurakshak says once you enter the submarine for a patrol "baths are forbidden". Patrol can stretch up to 45-50 days. "Shaving used to be a no-no," says an old-timer. However, in some of the modern submarines, crew is allowed the luxury of an occasional shave.

It's a dozen officers to one bathroom. Fresh water is rationed, and prioritized for cooking and maybe a mug for a person a day.

Once they enter the submarine, personnel are handed disposable clothes that are chemically treated and replaced every two or three days. Food is very basic — dal, roti or rice and one vegetable. Puris and paranthas are unheard of let alone any fancy dish.

It is common for sailors to lose their appetite after several days of sailing in a cramped submarine. And irritation levels among the personnel generally goes high. "That is one of the key reasons why a doctor is a compulsory for any submarine sailing out," says another officer.

Like fighter pilots, submariners too get a special allowance. "But that is nothing compared to the hardship that one has to endure," one submariner said. Not that everyone on board loses their funny bone. Veterans joke about sleeping in the "bomb shop", where the missiles and torpedoes are kept. It is the quietest, most spacious room on the boat. "Many of us slept on torpedoes because it was among the coolest places in a sub," one recalled.

There aren't very many jobs in the world in which once you leave the shores there is almost no contact with near or dear ones. Not even if your father takes ill or the wife runs away. The only sure sign that a submarine out on a war patrol is safe is the regular signals it sends to a designated location, probably the war room at the naval headquarters in New Delhi.

As the Kargil conflict flared up in 1999, the same INS Sindhurakshak went on a war patrol, spending several hours and possibly days, just five miles from Karachi shoreline. The mission is considered as heroic because of the sheer proximity to danger.

Deep under the seas is a secret world, where the enemy could be silently following you. For submariners, the death that danced on INS Sindhurakshak early on Wednesday wasn't the way they would have wanted to sign off while on duty.

'Torpedoes are coolest place to sleep on' - The Times of India
 

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Are India's aging submarines going the MiG way?


NEW DELHI: Is India's aging fleet of conventional submarines threatening to go the MiG-21 way? The Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA), already 30 years in the making, was slated to replace the obsolete MiG-21 in the 1990s but is still at least two years away from becoming fully-operational.

Similarly, the Navy too was to induct 12 new diesel-electric submarines by last year, with another dozen to follow in the 2012-2030 timeframe. This was the 30-year submarine building plan approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) way back in July, 1999. But the Navy has not inducted even one of the 24 planned submarines till now, and is forced to soldier on with just 14 aging conventional vessels.

"The Navy is steadily modernizing in the surface warship and aircraft arenas. But our aging and depleting underwater combat arm is a big worry. But it also must be kept in mind that INS Sindhurakshak's accident is the first such incident we have had in over four decades of operating submarines," said a senior officer.

Sources said INS Sindhurakshak, after Wednesday's accident, is "a clear write-off". Of the 13 submarines left now, as many as 11 are over 20 years old. The setback comes when China and Pakistan are systematically bolstering their underwater combat capabilities, with the former being armed with over 55 submarines.

India's four German HDW or Shishumar-class submarines were inducted between 1986 and 1994, while eight of the 10 Russian Kilo or Sindhugosh-class vessels were inducted between 1986 and 1991. The last two Russian submarines — INS Sindhurakshak and INS Sindhushastra — were inducted in 1997 and 2000, respectively.

Even CAG reports have alarmingly held that the operational availability of the Indian submarines is as low as 48% due to the aging fleet and prolonged refit and life-extension programmes. With the design life of a submarine being 25-30 years, projections show just six-seven of the existing submarines will be fully-operational by 2020.

Successive governments' sheer inability to take decisions in time and gross project mismanagement - with inevitable huge cost escalations — has led to this dismal situation. The first of the six new Scorpene submarines being built at Mazagon Docks will be ready only by 2016-17 at the earliest, over four years behind schedule. The other five — under this Rs 23,000 crore programme called "Project-75" — are scheduled to progressively follow by 2020-21.

The next six of the remaining 18 submarines are yet to be even ordered. Despite being granted "acceptance of necessity" in November 2007, "Project-75India" to construct six advanced stealth submarines, armed with both land-attack missile capabilities and air-independent propulsion for greater underwater endurance, is still stuck in political apathy and bureaucratic red-tape.

Defence minister A K Antony says P-75I, which will cost upwards of Rs 50,000 crore now, is currently awaiting CCS approval. But the reality check is that even if the global tender for it is issued today, it will take at least three years to select the foreign collaborator. Then, after the contracts are inked, it will take another seven years for the first submarine to roll out.

Another critical concern is that the Navy has rudimentary submarine rescue facilities. The force's endeavour to procure two deep-submergence rescue vessels (DSRVs) or "mini submarines", which "mate" with disabled submarines underwater to rescue trapped sailors from depths up to 610 metres, has been stuck for over 15 years.

The Navy does have diving support ships like INS Nireekshak to help in such situations but they are useful at relatively shallow depths. In 1997, as an "interim measure" till the Navy could get its own DSRVs, India had also inked agreement with the US for its "global submarine rescue fly-away kit" service. Under it, the US Navy will transport rescue equipment "within 72 hours" if an Indian submarine got disabled deep underwater. The Indian and American navies had conducted an exercise just last year to practice this drill.


Are India's aging submarines going the MiG way? - The Times of India
 

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Mishaps do happen. I wonder what cold have gone wrong. I think it is high time India salvages the wreck and does a thorough study. Those that are dead, are dead. RIP. This will also give India the opportunity to study in detail how the submarine is built. This is a good dissection subject for submarine builders.
 

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Russian specialists not allowed to sunken submarine site in Mumbai

Specialists of the working group from the Severodvinsk-based ship repair centre Zvyozdochka are not allowed to the submarine accident site for the third day, a member of the group said on Friday. The diesel-powered submarine Sindhurakshak, which sank in the port of Mumbai, was repaired and modernized at the Severodvinsk centre.


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Sindurakshak tragedy: Russian analysts anxious, discuss various causes

In the wake of an explosion sinking the INS Sindhurakshak on August 14 in the Mumbai naval dockyard, Russian analysts have been discussing the various possible scenarios that could have led to the tragedy that claimed the lives of 3 naval officers and 15 sailors.

So far, the cause of the explosion is unclear but, if the Russian side turns out to be to blame, the image of Russia's defence industry might suffer, according to Alexander Golts, Deputy Editor-in-Chief of the Yezhednevny Zhurnal web publication. "Everything will depend on the conclusions of the experts, in the board of inquiry who are looking into the catastrophe," Golts told Kommersant FM. "Obviously, if this turns out to be a screw-up by our defence industry contractors, this would be bad publicity for them, to put it mildly."

Russian analysts have stressed on the fact that no claims were filed and no malfunctions were noted at the time the submarine's bill of delivery to the Indian Navy was signed.

Versions of the tragedy vary wildly, from negligent handling of arms to a hydrogen leak

The cause of the explosion is yet to be established. According to one theory, a buildup of hydrogen might have occurred during battery charging, which needs to be performed once every few months. The sub carries around 500 batteries, so this process involves many technical staff, RIA Novosti reported. This theory is supported by the fact that the submarine suffered a fire when it was docked at the port of Visakhapatnam in Eastern India in February 2010, which killed one crewmember and injured two others. An inquiry has revealed that a faulty battery valve leaking hydrogen was to blame.

Others believe the explosion had nothing to do with the batteries. Viktor Melnikov, an observer at the Independent Military Review weekly, believes the sub's arms were at fault. "I don't think this had anything to do with shipbuilding or repairs. This is most likely a matter of safe handling of onboard weapons. Because this doesn't seem like an explosion of diesel vapours or a battery." he told Kommersant FM.

The United Shipbuilding Corporation will send its experts to India to assist in investigating the cause of the explosion on the Russian-built submarine. "The corporation has been in touch with the Indian side. They have proposed that more experts be sent to establish the cause," Ivan Kharchenko, Senior Deputy Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission told Interfax.

The Zvyozdochka ship repair centre has also expressed readiness to cooperate fully in finding the causes of the sub's catastrophe. According to the plant's press secretary, Nadezhda Scherbinina, "the Severodvinsk shipbuilders took the accident as a personal tragedy," since the Indian crew members and their families spent more than two years in the White Sea town.


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Here is a video to show you how our brave Navy Men operated in this class submarine and how the submarine looked inside.

INS Sindhughosh



R.I.P to the brave Navy Men that died for our country.
 
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this is what is troubling. If you see the pic of loading of club.

then look at these pics



and then this.



It means that fire started from the back side of sub, then it moves at the front, as per the video, unless the video was taken after first explosion.

Hope that submarine bay had surveillance cameras.
 

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NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED
'Torpedoes are coolest place to sleep on'

They hug torpedoes in their sleep, and don't see their families – or the inside of a shower – for months on end. TOI looks at life beneath the waves
TIMES NEWS NETWORK

New Delhi: Showers, shaves and sunlight are in short supply, but the thing that bothers submariners the most is lack of space. A boat — a submarine is always called that — is a narrow claustrophobic warren where young men (most of the crew is in their twenties) spend weeks on end, leading extremely structured lives. Danger is a constant companion as the men whose lives are now under arc-light as investigators seek answers to the mysterious blasts aboard INS Sindhurakshak found out.
Both within the navy and in public perception, a submariner doesn't have the glamour that, say a fighter pilot or commando has. Despite the criticality of submarines to its power projection and operations, the Indian Navy has had only one submariner as its chief ever, Admiral VS Shekhawat. Life beneath the surface isn't for the faint-hearted. Just the dimensions of the tube are scary. An average nuclear submarine is about 80 metres long, 9.9 metres wide and about the same in height, not even enough for a sailor to stand straight.
An officer who has spent several years in a kilo-class submarine like the INS Sindhurakshak says once you enter the submarine for a patrol "baths are forbidden". Patrol can stretch up to 45-50 days. "Shaving used to be a no-no," says an old-timer. However, in some of the modern submarines, crew is allowed the luxury of an occasional shave. It's a dozen officers to one bathroom. Fresh water is rationed, and prioritized for cooking and maybe a mug for a person a day.
Once they enter the submarine, personnel are handed disposable clothes that are chemically treated and replaced every two or three days. Food is very basic – dal, roti or rice and one vegetable. Puris and paranthas are unheard of let alone any fancy dish. It is common for sailors to lose their appetite after several days of sailing in a cramped submarine. And irritation levels among the personnel generally go high. "That is one of the key reasons why a doctor is a compulsory for any submarine sailing out," says another officer. Like fighter pilots, submariners too get a special allowance. "But that is nothing compared to the hardship that one has to endure," one submariner said. Not that everyone on board loses their funny bone. Veterans joke about sleeping in the "bomb shop", where missiles and torpedoes are kept. It is the quietest, most spacious room on the boat. "Many of us slept on torpedoes because it was among the coolest places in a sub," one recalled.
There aren't many jobs in the world in which once you leave the shores there is almost no contact with near and dear ones. Not even if your father takes ill or the wife runs away. The only sure sign that a submarine out on a war patrol is safe is regular signals it sends to a designated location, probably the war room at the naval headquarters in New Delhi. As the Kargil conflict flared up in 1999, the same INS Sindhurakshak went on a war patrol, spending several hours and possibly days, just five miles from Karachi shoreline. The mission is considered as heroic because of the sheer proximity to danger. Deep under the seas is a secret world, where the enemy could be silently following you. For submariners, the death that danced on INS Sindhurakshak on Tuesday night wasn't the way they would have wanted to sign off while on duty.
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INS Sindhurakshak: Shaken, Navy may opt for emergency purchase of subs

With the loss of INS Sindhurakshak, the navy is considering "emergency acquisition", which will cost the government up to Rs 3000 crore. The navy's underwater capabilities have taken a hit after explosions and fire sank the Kilo class submarine.

At present the navy has nine Kilo class conventional submarines, but only five of them are in operation. Of the nine, two have gone for mid-life refit, two are under repair maintenance. INS Sindhukirti is in Hindustan Shipyards Limited in Vishakhapatnam.

A top naval source told dna that navy's reducing underwater capability has raised alarm. "After losing our frontline submarine, we are seriously working on the option to go for emergency acquisition to gain underwater strength," an officer said.

The navy may put up a proposal before the ministry of defence for clearance for emergency acquisition. Taking a submarine on lease from Russia could also be an option. If the navy goes for an emergency acquisition, it would not require to follow regular procedure for acquisition like issuing a Request for Proposal (RFP) and selection of lowest bidder after competitive bidding.

INS Sindhurakshak had arrived on April 29 this year from Russia after a Rs.815 crore mid-life upgrade, which included installation of radars and missiles. Naval sources said salvaging of the submarine is a remote possibility though at some point of time navy would be taking services of professionals to salvage the boat.

Meanwhile, countries like Russia and US have come forward to offer assistance in rescue and salvage operation. "At present, rescue and salvage operations are going on together. The Board of Inquiry (BOI) can start only after we are able to extract the ship from the sea," an officer said.
INS Sindhurakshak: Shaken, Navy may opt for emergency purchase of subs - Mumbai - DNA
 

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France should be the only option...
If they want to lease subs then Russia would probably the only option. However If they opt for emergency purchase of subs then France & Russia both could be options. However I feel that going the Russian way (more/ modernized clubs) is more logical as IN would benefit from commonality when they arrive (in a few years time) & not to mention Russian subs ought to be economical too (considering the Vietnam delivery).
Just my 2 cents.
 

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our dwindling sub strength go down further..i m afraid what will be our sub strength in 2020-2025 may be we had 5-7 left then
 

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If buy, Buy best and safest subs around the Globe ..
 

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this is what is troubling. If you see the pic of loading of club.

then look at these pics



and then this.



It means that fire started from the back side of sub, then it moves at the front, as per the video, unless the video was taken after first explosion.

Hope that submarine bay had surveillance cameras.
sir but according to news reports tail section of the subs was safe[ there were reports if our sailors are near tail section compartments they might be safe]... it was only portion that sunk in the end... if the fire had indeed started or any sabotage near the tail section it would had been the first part of the sub to have sunk
 

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our dwindling sub strength go down further..i m afraid what will be our sub strength in 2020-2025 may be we had 5-7 left then
India is building its own subs right now.. What we need know is some support from gaints like L&T and TATA in Defence sector... And it will be soon.
India will have more than 18 by 2025.
 
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