INS Chakra/Akula II

[sayareakd]

Its not the face I was talking about, zoom the pic and go south

lol......................................................

 

[shashi]

Its surface looks quite smooth unlike the Arihant ..

 

[Adux]

he is military man, he knows the value of the platform that is why smile in his face.

You guys are all epic fail, check what is he handling on his hand near his crotch area(ZIPPER), relate that to a tubluar submarine.

Yup, it does give India an opportunity to dish out penis envy

 

[Adux]

Careful, that sub is jinxed...

In very piece of square inch on this earth's landmass, one person or the other has been killed or died at some point in time in earth's history, should i call earth jinxed

 

[sayareakd]

we need ojha for the sub so that jinks can be removed.

 

[Adux]

Gents,


I dont think this submarine have to submerge ever, Look at that. Sheer Pure Vengeance. I think Pakistan Navy would stop wearing their whites from now, it kinda shows out 'shitting in the pants' with a very clear brown view in HD. Maybe the Pakistani Navy would start protecting chenab and other rivers, and leave the oceans to men.

 

[Anshu Attri]

Indian Navy to operate 5 nuclear submarines by end of decade


Indian Navy to operate 5 nuclear submarines by end of decade | idrw.org

Indian Navy is all set to operate five nuclear submarines by the end of this decade, including two leased from Russia and three built indigenously.
India is considering a proposal to induct another nuclear submarine built in Russia and has plans of indigenously building two more Arihant Class underwater vessels to guard its maritime boundaries, Defence Minister AK Antony said.

The Navy on Wednesday formally commissioned the Akula-II Class INS Chakra in Vishakhapatnam and is set to launch the INS Arihant for sea trials soon.

On India's plans to expand its nuclear submarine fleet, Antony said the government was considering a proposal in this regard and the country can afford to buy another such vessel.

"There is a proposal"¦Cost is not necessary. India can afford it"¦ In the next few years, the Navy will get more submarines," the Defence Minister said at the commissioning of INS Chakra.

The Navy which currently operates more than 10 conventional diesel-electric submarines of the Kilo and HDW Class, has plans of inducting a dozen more in the next decade.

Already six Scorpene submarines are being constructed at Mazagon Dockyards in Mumbai in collaboration with French DCNS and six more are planned to be built under the Project-75 India.

Terming its relation with India as "privileged strategic partnership", Russian Ambassador Alexander M Kadakin had said, that "Russia can give everything India needs".

Russia is also helping India in building three follow-on Talwar class guided missile frigates of which two are expected to be inducted this year.

 

[Sridhar]

INS Chakra: Top 10 must-know facts
Published April 5, 2012 | By admin

SOURCE: NDTV AND PTI

With the induction of Nerpa, rechristened INS Chakra, into the Indian Navy on Wednesday, India is back in the elite club of nations having nuclear-powered submarines. Here are top 10 must-know facts about INS Chakra:

1) INS Chakra is a Russia-made, nuclear-propelled, hunter-killer submarine. Unlike conventional submarines that India operates which need to surface to charge its battery's often – sometimes as frequently as 24 hours – INS Chakra can stay under as long as it wants. Its ability to stay underwater is restrained only by human endurance to stay underwater. Also, another problem that the submarine could face is acidity. This is because of a lack of exercise inside due to prolonged deployments.

2) The Akula Class submarine will carry conventional weapons. The vessel is armed with four 533mm torpedo tubes and four 650mm torpedo tubes. It will be used to hunt and kill enemy ships.

3) The INS Chakra displaces about 10,000 tons. It can do over 30 knots – more than twice the speed of conventional submarines. It can go upto a depth of 600 metres.

4) INS Chakra is one of the quietest nuclear submarines around, with noise levels next to zero.

5) It has about 80 crew members on board. The entire crew of INS Chakra has been trained in Russia for over a year. Facilities for the crew on board INS Chakra include a large recreation area, a gymnasium and a sauna as well.

6) INS Chakra has been taken on lease from Russia for 10 years and would provide the Navy the opportunity to train personnel and operate such nuclear-powered vessels. In 2004, India had signed a deal with Russia worth over $900 million for leasing the submarine. INS Chakra was expected to be inducted into Indian Navy a couple of years ago, but after an on-board accident in 2008, in which several Russian sailors died, the delivery schedule was changed.

7) INS Chakra formally joined the Indian Navy on Wednesday. It was commissioned by Defence Minister AK Antony at the Ship Building Complex in Visakhapatnam in Andhra Pradesh. "INS Chakra will ensure security and sovereignty of the country," the minister has said. When asked if INS Chakra's induction will lead to arms race in the region, Defence Minister AK Antony told reporters, "India does not believe in arms race. We are not a confrontationist nation. We are a peaceloving nation"¦.but, at the same time, the armed forces will be strengthened to meet any challenge."

8) The induction of the nuclear-powered submarine clearly indicates India's intentions in the Indian Ocean Region and South East Asia which has recently seen increasing assertive Chinese presence in the last few months. It will also a send a strong reassuring message to south east Asian nations like Indonesia, Vietnam and Malaysia who want India to play a more active role in the region to counter the assertiveness of China in the area.

9) The induction of the INS Chakra is likely to be followed by the induction of the indigenous INS Arihant, which will be capable of launching nuclear weapons and therefore complete the nuclear triad. INS Arihant, it is understood, is now undergoing sea trails at Vizag.

10) The only other nations possessing nuclear-powered submarines are – US, Russia, UK, France and China. India is back in this elite club after over a decade. In 1988, the Indian Navy had leased a Charlie Class nuclear-powered submarine for three years till 1991. However, the expertise gathered then was lost as most officers who had trained to operate nuclear submarines have retired.

INS Chakra: Top 10 must-know facts | idrw.org

 

[plugwater]

"There is a proposal"¦Cost is not necessary. India can afford it"¦ In the next few years, the Navy will get more submarines," the Defence Minister said at the commissioning of INS Chakra.

It will take one or two years to take the decision whether to order one more Akula or not, then it will take 5+ years for Russians to complete the submarine. Instead of this start to build another one in India and we can have one new nuke sub in next 6-7 years!! Already hulls for next two Arihant class subs have been completed.

IMHO it would be a stupid decision if we order another Akula now!! Talking of 5 nuclear submarines we have to give back our Akula to Russians by 2022.

 

[sayareakd]

better get Arihant class then Chakra, but first we need to complete the tests on Arihant.

 

[Nirvana]

The stealth queen - Road to Supremacy In Indian ocean

The way to Ensure Peace in Himalayan border is to remain supreme in Indian ocean

'INS Chakra' shows the significance of nuclear attack submarines

After 1986, when India acquired a nuclear attack submarine on lease, the country has gone in again for one of the most powerful attack boats in the world — a Russian origin Akula II class. Armed with supersonic cruise missiles and torpedoes and capable of diving deeper and going faster than the first Chakra, this submarine, also called Chakra, carries no nuclear tippled ballistic missiles as does the INS Arihant.
Nevertheless, this attack submarine is the queen of the seas and unlike the Arihant, which is meant to stay out of harm's way and launch her deterrent missiles, the Chakra is a fighting platform — the most formidable in the world. With two powerful nuclear reactors, she can transit at 30 knots and appear off the coasts of Africa, the Persian Gulf and the subcontinent within an interval of three days. No ship can stand against it and in the Falklands War, where a nuclear attack boat was last used, its very appearance at sea bottled up the entire Argentine navy in harbour for the duration of the war. Rarely can a tactical fighting platform, be it a ship or an aircraft, create strategic ripples by its very appearance in one part of the ocean, which is why it is the most feared fighting platform of all. It has no equal, is undetectable and is a true destroyer of enemies.
Delayed by over a year by having had an accident while on trial, and because of a few contractual problems, this submarine will change the fighting profile of the entire Indian navy in the eyes of the world. Mixed with pride at owning such a platform is a tinge of regret. One submarine is not enough. We need a fleet of six nuclear attack boats to leave in no doubt as to which navy is the arbiter of power in the Indian ocean.
What then appears to be the problem in getting the required number? The navy itself is going in at this stage of the country's development for a further six Scorpene class conventional diesel-electric submarines which don't have a role in a genuine blue water navy, thereby diverting resources from acquiring the queen of the battle. The indigenisation lobby is another handicap, for there is a belief that we must not just acquire a nuclear attack submarine, but make one in India — and that would take 20 years. Indigenisation for its own sake would be a tragedy when the nation needs these platforms for its politico-military strategy today.
Building a nuclear submarine is a strategic project for the country, like the light combat aircraft and the main battle tank. Having already built submarines in the country, at Mazagon dockyard, the technical hold-up comes from designing and building the nuclear propulsion reactor, on which the Department of Atomic Energy and the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre have spent almost two decades and yet not been entirely successful. Foreign help is required and we are today free of technological sanctions. Even then, acquiring nuclear propulsion technology will require a bold attitude, clever strategy and hard bargaining. We lost a golden opportunity to tie up with the French, when we chose the Rafale fighter. Even now it is not too late for the nuclear submarine reactor project to ride piggy back on a large payout project like the civil nuclear reactors or the building of the next six conventional submarines, for which tenders are even today in the pipeline.
Since the days when we started building the Arihant, the techno-strategic scene has changed dramatically. In the 1980s, there was only one yard worth looking at — Mazagon. Today, there are a host of public and private yards in competitive bidding for large projects. Furthermore, the external environment has turned benign and technology is available for the asking. With these advantages, it should be possible to induct one more submarine construction line to build nuclear attack submarines, preferably with foreign aid, so that delivery is possible within reasonable timeframes. The navy has recently begun to exploit the capabilities of private yards in building offshore patrol vessels and landing ships dock — the latter is the most interesting where the Indian yard is responsible for acquiring foreign technology with a joint venture contract.
Strategically the country needs power in the Indian Ocean as the arbiter of assuring a peaceful environment for India's domestic economic growth. There is little point in building nuclear attack boats 20 years from now when our developmental hurdles have been crossed. The Himalayan border must remain peaceful and the way to ensure that it does, is to remain supreme in the Indian Ocean.
A fleet of six nuclear attack submarines like the powerful Chakra will leave everyone in no doubt that power in the ocean lies with New Delhi. But a meaningless acquisition of ships and conventional submarines will terrify none. For that we need nuclear attack boats and the navy must first come to an intellectual consensus on this issue. It can then demand from the national industry the investment and managerial inputs to build a line of nuclear attack boats. There is no need to confine the demand to public sector yards — national capability far outflanks what public sector yards can do.

The writer retired as a rear admiral from the Indian navy, [email protected]

The stealth queen - Indian Express

 

[sayareakd]

Sudershan Chakra flying on sea.................

 

[indian_sukhoi]

Dunno, Whether if these question were already asked.

Could anyone tell the exact official price we paid for the Akulla lease? Is it 700M or 2 billion?

Besides, Rather leasing cant we just buy the submarine. We already paying more than half of the price of a modern SSN.

Due to RCT restrictions, The Cruise missile tubes are removed and been fitted to carry Klubs. Any chance fitting sagarika in klubs tubes?

 

[plugwater]

Dunno, Whether if these question were already asked.

Could anyone tell the exact official price we paid for the Akulla lease? Is it 700M or 2 billion?

1 billion but some reports say we paid more money with carrier deal.

Besides, Rather leasing cant we just buy the submarine. We already paying more than half of the price of a modern SSN.

I dont think we can buy nuclear submarines so leasing, after 10 years we can extend the period to another 10 years.

Due to RCT restrictions, The Cruise missile tubes are removed and been fitted to carry Klubs. Any chance fitting sagarika in klubs tubes?

No idea. Sagarika can only be launched vertically, i dont know if akula has any VLS.

 

[Neil]

INS Chakra inducted into Navy's eastern fleet

A thin trumpet call wafted over the warm, humid air of the dock, heralding the arrival of defence minister A K Antony to induct into the Indian Navy its most recent and most potent submarine, the nuclear-powered INS Chakra. In late February, the Chakra, leased from Russia for 10 years at an estimated cost of $900 million, set off from snowy Vladivostok. After a 40-day underwater odyssey past Japan and through the disputed South China Sea, undetected by anyone, the Chakra reached sweltering Visakhapatnam on Saturday.

Key functionaries of the Chakra's all-Indian crew lined up on its deck to welcome Antony. The 12,000-tonne Akula II class vessel is a shockingly large cigar-shaped cylinder, painted a drab black. The only splash of colour came from the gold braid on the officers' shoulders and the fluttering tricolour. Like so many Russian weapon platforms, the Chakra conveys an understated menace — functionality without the frills.


There were brief speeches by the Russian ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, naval chief Admiral Nirmal Verma and Antony. Then, a band struck up the national anthem and the Chakra joined the navy's Eastern Fleet. Kadakin termed this "a shining example of the very confidential strategic cooperation between India and Russia." Antony took a crack at Kadakin, reminding him of the Russian promise to deliver the Russian aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya (formerly the Gorshkov) "on time". The Vikramaditya is already three years late.

Beyond the banter, military planners are thrilled at this massive boost to India's power and reach in the Indian Ocean region. While China enjoys military advantages on the land frontier, India's ability to choke Chinese shipping at straits like Malacca and Hormuz constitutes a powerful strategic lever. And, nothing performs such "sea denial" missions as effectively as a nuclear attack submarine, known by its acronym, the SSN.

Making the SSN a game-changer is its ability to remain submerged indefinitely. Stealth is a key attribute in a 'sea denial' mission to shut down, for example, the Strait of Malacca. A submarine must slip undetected (which means underwater) into the patrol area and lurk in ambush for days on end, listening through its sonar for propeller sounds that give away the presence of a ship. Then, it must launch torpedoes to destroy the target and escape at high speed before the enemy can come and destroy her.

One great drawback of the conventional submarine is lack of endurance. Since its diesel engines cannot run underwater for lack of air, it can remain submerged for only as long as its on-board electric batteries provide power. When the batteries are drained, typically in eight-72 hours, depending on how fast it must move, the submarine must surface to run its diesel generators and recharge its batteries. A surfaced submarine with generators running is a sitting duck, inviting an attack by enemy aircraft, surface ships or submarines.

But a nuclear reactor can run underwater, allowing an SSN to remain submerged for as long as its food supplies last. While a conventional submarine moves slowly underwater, to conserve batteries, the Chakra can sprint for long durations at speeds of up to 33 knots (61 kilometres per hour), faster than most surface vessels.

The Chakra's capabilities are provided by a 190-Mw nuclear reactor, powerful enough to light up a medium-sized city. It is armed with the versatile Russian Klub anti-surface missiles that can strike a ship almost 300 kilometres away. It also has four 533-mm and four 650-mm torpedo tubes.

Says P Asokan, INS Chakra's first skipper, "I commanded a conventional submarine before this and we were restricted by battery power. But now, I have no restrictions. I can chase a vessel anywhere, overtake her, play games with her, and the nuclear plant never runs out of power."

Across the water from INS Chakra is the Ship Building Centre, a gigantic hangar where the indigenous nuclear submarine, the INS Arihant, is being constructed. The Arihant is not an SSN like the Chakra; it does not engage in naval warfare. It is an SSBN, a nuclear powered underwater platform from which nuclear-tipped missiles can be launched. The Arihant and its successor vessels would form the third leg of India's 'nuclear triad'.

The INS Chakra could be followed by a second SSN from Russia, a proposal the navy has already raised. Questioned on the issue, Antony responded, "There is a proposal (about a second submarine), but we have not taken a decision about that."

The Indian Navy has 14 conventional submarines in service. Also under construction are six Scorpene conventional submarines at Mazagon Dock, Mumbai, scheduled to enter service by 2018.

According to Antony, seven new warships, including submarines, would enter service with the Navy this year, while an average of five warships would be inducted each succeeding year.



Broadsword: INS Chakra inducted into Navy's eastern fleet

 

[natarajan]

I think they dont return and the lease thing is just for outside world and they show as if they renew it

 

[ALBY]

 

[enlightened1]

Great looking sub!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Great looking sub!

Very capable too..

 

[LalTopi]

Very capable too..

Probably been debated to death before, in which case please forgive and point me to the relevant threads.

How does the INS Chakra compare to Western SSNs - e.g. the US Virginia Class or the UK Astute class?

Also, how good are these subs in litorral waters - e.g. the Mallaca straights or Andaman sea? I just remember all the hype and bravado in the UK over the Astute class, and then the damn thing got stuck on a sand bank!