INS Chakra/Akula II

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Probably been debated to death before, in which case please forgive and point me to the relevant threads.

How does the INS Chakra compare to Western SSNs - e.g. the US Virginia Class or the UK Astute class?

Also, how good are these subs in litorral waters - e.g. the Mallaca straights or Andaman sea? I just remember all the hype and bravado in the UK over the Astute class, and then the damn thing got stuck on a sand bank!
Good Questions, I dont know if fanboys will get it though
 

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Good Questions, I dont know if fanboys will get it though
We need a comparison thread for comparing the abilities of Chakra with The SSNs of French, American and Chinese(most important in my opinion) origin:)
 

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Probably been debated to death before, in which case please forgive and point me to the relevant threads.

How does the INS Chakra compare to Western SSNs - e.g. the US Virginia Class or the UK Astute class?

Also, how good are these subs in litorral waters - e.g. the Mallaca straights or Andaman sea? I just remember all the hype and bravado in the UK over the Astute class, and then the damn thing got stuck on a sand bank!
This is Akula 2, Its been upgraded to India specific..

Little known abt this Akula we are getting, though we can compare Akula with other Nuclear hunter killers subs..
 

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Man attempts to steal INS Chakra documents
Apr 12, 2012, 02.55AM IST

VISAKHAPATNAM: Exactly a week after the 8,140-tonne nuclear-powered attack submarine INS Chakra was inducted into the Indian Navy on a 10-year lease from Russia, a brazen attempt was made to steal key documents pertaining to the submarine from a star hotel here on Wednesday.

Police are trying to trace the unidentified assailant with the help of the video footage. Speculation is rife that the accused fled The spot by taking away some important documents on security matters. The attempt to steal the secret documents was made in Novotel Hotel room (No. 534) of a high- ranked Russian officer T Alexander when he was away. Alexander, who is a vice admiral rank officer, was shocked to see his room lock broken when he returned around 2.30 pm. He immediately called the police.

He had kept 80,000 worth Russian currency, a laptop, some electronic gadgets and Rs 2,000 Indian currency in the room which were intact.

A senior police official said the accused had tried in vain to break open the secret locker in the room. But unconfirmed reports said he walked away with some documents from the locker. It remains a mystery as to how the accused could easily make his way to the top ranking official's room in a high-profile star hotel where security is fool-proof. A Clues team and fingerprint experts were rushed to the hotel soon after the Russian's complaint.

Sources said Alexander had come to Vizag on March 30 to train the sailors of INS Chakra. "He would be camping here for nearly a month. Several Russian officers are also staying in star hotels like Park, Taj Gateway and Novotel," sources said.

When contacted, city police commissioner Purnachandra Rao said that an attempt was made to burgle the room. "We would track the accused with the help of the video footage and arrest him. No document has been stolen," he said. He refused to divulge any further details. Naval authorities refused to comment on the matter

Man attempts to steal INS Chakra documents - The Times of India
 

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what are conditions imposed on India for operating Akula-II?, are we allowed to test new weapons like SLCM, or deploy cruise missiles with nuclear warheads, can it be used in war, can it be used in spying. this boat met with accident during trials, the risk of such things happening while in our service is worrying.

are there any international legal issues which allow leasing nuclear submarine but not buying it? why didn't we buy it outright?
NSG, IAEA, US haven't made any comment on this news.
 

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Its on lease, you can do anything with it..

But due to restriction we can deploy 300km Klub Missiles of both Ground and Sea variants..
 

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I am more concerned about the 8 Russian sailors unboard. Are they going to be a regular feature for 10 years or just a temp arrangement.
 

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I am more concerned about the 8 Russian sailors unboard. Are they going to be a regular feature for 10 years or just a temp arrangement.
what will 8 Russians do onboard, whats the use of operating it if russians will still be there.
 

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what will 8 Russians do onboard, whats the use of operating it if russians will still be there.
I think they are temporary; in an advisory role during the trasition period while the Indian crew come to full grips with handling a nuclear sub.

Remember, these blokes are experienced and with experience comes the ability to anticipate and react to situations that may arise during manning a nuclear sub. The Indian crew could learn a lot form them before being proficient enough to impart the same knowledge to their colleagues.
 

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Man attempts to steal INS Chakra documents
Apr 12, 2012, 02.55AM IST

VISAKHAPATNAM: Exactly a week after the 8,140-tonne nuclear-powered attack submarine INS Chakra was inducted into the Indian Navy on a 10-year lease from Russia, a brazen attempt was made to steal key documents pertaining to the submarine from a star hotel here on Wednesday.

Police are trying to trace the unidentified assailant with the help of the video footage. Speculation is rife that the accused fled The spot by taking away some important documents on security matters. The attempt to steal the secret documents was made in Novotel Hotel room (No. 534) of a high- ranked Russian officer T Alexander when he was away. Alexander, who is a vice admiral rank officer, was shocked to see his room lock broken when he returned around 2.30 pm. He immediately called the police.

He had kept 80,000 worth Russian currency, a laptop, some electronic gadgets and Rs 2,000 Indian currency in the room which were intact.

A senior police official said the accused had tried in vain to break open the secret locker in the room. But unconfirmed reports said he walked away with some documents from the locker. It remains a mystery as to how the accused could easily make his way to the top ranking official's room in a high-profile star hotel where security is fool-proof. A Clues team and fingerprint experts were rushed to the hotel soon after the Russian's complaint.

Sources said Alexander had come to Vizag on March 30 to train the sailors of INS Chakra. "He would be camping here for nearly a month. Several Russian officers are also staying in star hotels like Park, Taj Gateway and Novotel," sources said.

When contacted, city police commissioner Purnachandra Rao said that an attempt was made to burgle the room. "We would track the accused with the help of the video footage and arrest him. No document has been stolen," he said. He refused to divulge any further details. Naval authorities refused to comment on the matter

Man attempts to steal INS Chakra documents - The Times of India
why this -----ing things happen ,how could a man steal from such a high level person without any political support
 

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Guys i notices one thing that 2012 is best year for armed forces(mainly navy) as we are got and yet to get this year

akula II
arihant
INS Teg
INS trikandh
INS shayadri
kolkatta destroyer
one corevette
vikramadithya carrier

agni V
nirbhay
 

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Agni-V, INS Chakra give India a deadly punch

New Delhi: Agni-V, the 5000-km range surface-to-surface Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads, has catapulted India into an extremely select club of countries possessing such a deadly weapons platform. Agni-V gives India the much-needed muscle and a strong deterrence against its nuclear-armed adversaries as the missile can not only target every city of China, but is also capable of reaching Australia, Eastern Europe, North Eastern and Eastern Africa.
Coupled with the induction of the first operational nuclear attack submarine the Akula II class Nerpa rechristened INS Chakra into the Indian Navy on April 4, Agni-V gives India the power to deliver the knock out punch to the enemy in the event of hostilities breaking out. Only five other countries - China, Russia, France, the United States and the United Kingdom - have such long distance missiles.
Agni-V and INS Chakra are the biggest and the most deadly symbol of India's military might and while Army Chief General VK Singh's letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the war preparedness, lack and obsolescence of vital weapons systems and ammunition made a lot of news in the last few weeks, what went unnoticed is that the defence forces have been slowly adding muscle to counter the threat of a two-front war. In the past few months the government and the defence forces have taken several steps to plug the gaps in India's defence, particularly in relation with China.

Along with the earlier missiles of the Agni series - Agni-I (range: 700 km), Agni-II (2,000 km), Agni-III and IV (3,000 plus km) range - the ICBM gives India a wide array of potent weapons platform to take on the enemy. The 17 m long, 2 m wide and 50 tonne Agni-V is a generation ahead of the other surface-to-surface missiles in India's inventory and what makes the missile extremely effective and deadly is that it can carry Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MITRV) capable of delivering multiple warheads at different targets at long distances.
Such missiles when fired in large numbers can penetrate a ballistic missile shield and devastate the intended target or targets. After the missile is inducted into the strategic forces by 2014-2015, India will acquire a strong deterrent capacity against China as the entire country would come under its range.
Although Agni-V will need to undergo several more trials before it can be formally inducted into India's arsenal, the test-firing has sent out a strong statement to the world, particularly to the country's adversaries.
The induction of INS Chakra, the impending sea trials of the indigenous nuclear submarine INS Arihant that will be armed with torpedoes and the 700-km range nuclear K-15 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, the shortlisting of the Rafale for Indian Air Force's (IAF) 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), induction of two squadrons of the front-line Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter jets in the North East at the Tezpur and the Chabua air bases are just some of the moves the government and defence forces have taken to counter the Chinese threat.
India will have an assured second strike capability once Agni-V and INS Arihant become operational as the country has already a declared policy of no first use of nuclear weapons. INS Arihant will complete the crucial third leg of nuclear triad as a nuclear-powered submarine can stay underwater for a very long duration, remain undetected and file a submarine launched nuclear missile.
The Indian Navy is gearing up to operate five nuclear submarines by the end of this decade, including two leased from Russia and three Arihant Class underwater warships built indigenously.
With six Scorpene submarines being constructed at Mazagon Dockyards in Mumbai in collaboration with French DCNS and six more planned to be built under the Project-75 India, the Navy is also getting ready for the induction of the 44,500-tonne INS Vikramaditya or the refitted Admiral Gorshkov from Russia in early-2013. INS Vikramaditya will have MiG-29Ks, the first-ever naval supersonic fighters, on board giving the carrier battle group a lethal edge. The Navy will operate 45 MiG-29K fighters out of which 16 will be based on INS Vikramaditya.
India is also getting ready to induct the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC), being constructed at Cochin Shipyard. The carrier is slated to be battle-ready by 2015 and will give a big boost to the Navy's plans of operating three carrier battle groups with one on in the Arabian Sea and the other in the Bay of Bengal and the third in reserve. Both the INS Vikramaditya and the IAC will also carry India's indigenously designed naval version of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft.
According to Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma the second indigenous aircraft carrier called IAC-II will be a much bigger warship than the IAC, displacing 50,000 tons. If the Cochin Shipyard adheres to the schedule then the Navy will operate three operational carrier battle groups by 2020.
The fifth-generation Sukhoi T-50/ PAK FA, which is being developed in collaboration with Russia, will also give India a potent fighter in the sky. The fighter jet is undergoing tests and is expected to enter into service with the IAF by 2017. The IAF is planning to induct 250 Sukhoi T-50/ PAK FA.
Even the Army, in the news for having an arsenal of obsolete weapons, is moving fast to match up to the Chinese threat on the Eastern front. China has been modernising and building the infrastructure and is now capable of outnumbering the Indian forces by almost 3:1 by moving almost 30 divisions with over 15,000 soldiers each to the disputed 4,057km long Line of Actual Control.
The Army is already raising a new mountain strike corps comprising of almost 70,000 soldiers along with two mountain infantry divisions with 1,260 officers and 35,011 soldiers to be based in the North East. Equipped with M-777 ultra-light howitzers, 145 of which are being procured from the US, the mountain strike corps will give the Army the boots on the grounds.
With the new regiment of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile (the Block-III version that can scale mountainous terrain and then dive steeply) already deployed in the North East, the Army has plugged a major hole in India's defence.
Taken together these measures reveal that India is indeed taking the threat from both the Eastern and the Western fronts seriously and taking measures to counter it. All the three wings of the military – the Army, Navy and IAF – are not only adding the latest weapons platforms in their arsenal, but also upgrading their existing arsenal to thwart any misadventure by the nuclear armed adversaries.

Agni-V, INS Chakra give India a deadly punch - India News - IBNLive
 

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