India's Nuclear Doctrine

[pankaj nema]

We are so used to it that we can not even think otherwise to make it possible.



Seriously? Indian security is taken as joke by our neighbors. Your western neighbor has swallowed entire state and the one on the eastern front has modified all the maps to intrude and claim multiple Indian states. No other nation on this planet faces such threats from nuclear neighbors. China has Mt warheads and it wouldn't take anytime for China to proliferate ready warheads to Pak.

Indian minimum nuclear deterrence is a joke.

You are just talking in air

NPT will be amended for us WOW that is some dream

NPT is the most important tool which has prevented Iran from openly going nuclear and west will RE OPEN it
for us . GREAT !!!!

Secondly EVEN when we did NOT have AGNI 3 and Agni 4 and ONLY HAD Agni 1 and 2 ie after POKHRAN 1998
DID China threaten us with its Megaton nukes ?

Answer is NO

Why because Nuclear deterrence DEFINITELY works

Even a 2000 km Agni 2 would have hurt Chinese cities and towns though they were insufficient for
Beijing and Shanghai

This shows the power of even 150 KT devices that we were capable of even in 1998

So your statement that " Indian Minimum deterrence is a joke" is foolish and absurd

 

[pankaj nema]

The word minimum in the phrase " Minimum Nuclear deterrence " is a misnomer
that we will be happy with a couple of Nukes

It means that we are NOT into an open ended N arms race of the cold war with thousands of N weapons
being made

MORE importantly our DOCTRINE says two things

1. that our arsenal of Nukes and their delivery systems should be BIG enough to SURVIVE a First strike
by the enemy

2 . Our RETALIATION will inflict massive and UN ACCEPTABLE damage to our enemy

So it is our DOCTRINE that will decide the size of our arsenal

 

[Yusuf]

China deterred the mighty soviet union with 12 bombs of 1 gen design. Something that pakis have and deter India with.

 

[Iamanidiot]

China deterred the mighty soviet union with 12 bombs of 1 gen design. Something that pakis have and deter India with.

Pakis are not detering India with the help of bombs but with help of their idotic inbred population.It is the refugee problem that is deterring us

 

[nrj]

Saar you have completely "misrepresented" what power projection means. Carriers are definitely needed in war. MT test is a waste of money and precious fissile material.

I still can not believe that Mt test is a waste of money for a nation like India.

You are just talking in air

NPT will be amended for us WOW that is some dream

NPT is the most important tool which has prevented Iran from openly going nuclear and west will RE OPEN it
for us . GREAT !!!!

Secondly EVEN when we did NOT have AGNI 3 and Agni 4 and ONLY HAD Agni 1 and 2 ie after POKHRAN 1998
DID China threaten us with its Megaton nukes ?

Answer is NO

Why because Nuclear deterrence DEFINITELY works

Even a 2000 km Agni 2 would have hurt Chinese cities and towns though they were insufficient for
Beijing and Shanghai

This shows the power of even 150 KT devices that we were capable of even in 1998

So your statement that " Indian Minimum deterrence is a joke" is foolish and absurd

We are moving away from NFU. And if border issue is not resolved with China in coming 3-4yrs then we will be made to elevate ourselves from Minimum Nuclear Deterrence.

Every global security framework is going to get amended in coming decades, be it UNSC, NPT or other treaties. These amendments can not be rejected, only postponed. NPT will either be edited or replaced with new framework. World is no longer in the situation it was after WW2.

PS: Pokhran test happened due to threats from Pakistan, not China.

 

[wrigsted]

If you would want knowledge on how much destruction weapons do, you can go to HYDESim: High-Yield Detonation Effects Simulator.
This image should be self-explanatory:

Before anyone accuses me of anything. The city selected,is not meant as anything other than a scale.

 

[Yusuf]

Idiot, please accept the fact that India was deterred by Pakis threat of nuke to not cross the LoC.

 

[Poseidon]

Nukes are excellent deterrent weapons.Tiny North Korea with less than a dozen nukes has prevented US attack.
There has been no major Arab-Israeli war after Israel was known to possess nukes.

 

[Poseidon]

Yea we should have...but we did not have.

Actually I doubt if we have it even now.

And testing our weapons now , when the global economy is still much not dependent of India is foolishness.

Mate,
Please identify a location in India where a megaton range nuke can be tested.
There's no such location.

 

[Yusuf]

Mate,
Please identify a location in India where a megaton range nuke can be tested.
There's no such location.

Even a 200kt test would have hurt te population there that's why it was scaled down to 45kt.

The only place we can test is Any uninhibited island on AnN or Lakshadweep but that is not an option as it will screw the environment.

 

[Poseidon]

Even a 200kt test would have hurt te population there that's why it was scaled down to 45kt.

The only place we can test is Any uninhibited island on AnN or Lakshadweep but that is not an option as it will screw the environment.

Exactly.
The islands in AnN are not like Bikini Atoll,the geography & location of AnN do not allow such tests.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Idiot, please accept the fact that India was deterred by Pakis threat of nuke to not cross the LoC.

Yusuf even I was thinking like you but the colonel's latest Lineofthought has drastically changed my views on Pakistan

 

[Iamanidiot]

@Wrigted link to that simulator please

 

[Yusuf]

Yusuf even I was thinking like you but the colonel's latest Lineofthought has drastically changed my views on Pakistan

PM me. Thanks..

Are you talking about deterrence during Kargil or right now as in current line of thinking?

Western nations give the US the credit for Kargil than india, but then thats them.

 

[wrigsted]

@Wrigted link to that simulator please

HYDESim: High-Yield Detonation Effects Simulator

 

[spikey360]

What we should be looking at are more reliable delivery systems. 100kt or 1Mt won't matter when you can hit lots of them on bull's eye. I understand Mr Trackwhack's apprehensions of we not being a fusion bomb state, but really such apprehensions are misgiven. What we should be worried about is if we are a MIRVed state or not. Also as someone has pointed out, India's number and size of nuclear bombs is guided by our nuclear doctrine. If one would read the doctrine in its present form, one would deduce that smaller and accurate bombs are perfect for the doctrine.

 

[pankaj nema]

Are you talking about deterrence during Kargil or right now as in current line of thinking?

Western nations give the US the credit for Kargil than india, but then thats them.

India tested Nukes in 1998 and pakistan soon followed suit

The entire western world was PAINTING us in a very negative light that India is an IRRESPONIBLE
Nuclear weapon state

SO during Kargil war we wanted to PROVE that we are FIGHTING a JUST war ONLY for regaining our lost
territory

And that The fear that India is an IRRESPONSIBLE nuclear weapon state is just XENOPHOBIA
on the part of the WHITE Western world

 

[Yusuf]

India tested Nukes in 1998 and pakistan soon followed suit

The entire western world was PAINTING us in a very negative light that India is an IRRESPONIBLE
Nuclear weapon state

SO during Kargil war we wanted to PROVE that we are FIGHTING a JUST war ONLY for regaining our lost
territory

And that The fear that India is an IRRESPONSIBLE nuclear weapon state is just XENOPHOBIA
on the part of the WHITE Western world

Wrong context to my question. I am talking about something else.

 

[pankaj nema]

Pakistan 's aims for initiating the Kargil war was to FORCE the Global community for resolving Kashmir

Pakistan has been always saying that Kashmir is a Nuclear FLASHPOINT

So we TIED up the hands of our army in Kargil war and paid with more casualties

But we WON the Global IMAGE WAR

This was acknowledged by the whole world that INDIA was trying ITS BEST to AVOID AN ESCALATORY
spiral which would have happened had we CROSSED the LOC

 

[Bhadra]

Idiot, please accept the fact that India was deterred by Pakis threat of nuke to not cross the LoC.

yusuf, while accepting that as one theory, its prefixes and suffixes are not correct. The reverse is also true that Indian Nuclear capability did not deter Pakistan to launch Kargil operations, nor did India was deterred from launching Operation Vijay.

The fact is that a conventional military conflict of a limited scale did take place under a nuclear overhang. It can still take place, may be this time initiated by India. That is the basic assumption for contemplating the doctrine of "Cold Start".

Pakistani belief that India does not want to cross the IB and even LOC and is happy with whatever it has been behind their misadventures of 1965 and even 1971, even Kargil. Barring the Kargil time, India did cross the IB and LC .

This time around India will cross the IB as also LC specially opposite Gilgit, it seems. Pakistanis can not take it for guaranteed that the deterrence would not break. NFU is a declaration and not a treaty.