India's Nuclear Doctrine

[Indx TechStyle]

What is India's policy on making a deal with the United States where it would host nuclear weapons on Indian soil, which could be used to defend India, albeit they would be under the command of the United States.

It could be a useful defense against Chinese and Middle Eastern aggression, it would pour money into Indian nuclear research, and it would allow India to learn more about western technologies.

Hey hey, India is not an insecure European country or Japan.
It's drift towards USA is still mild and for short term till it itself becomes mature in league of US, Russia & China.

US agreement with Japan & European countries is for US using their bases only meanwhile Indo American agreement allows India to do the same. This is enough to say why not compare India with allies.

 

[busesaway]

Hey hey, India is not an insecure European country or Japan.
It's drift towards USA is still mild and for short term till it itself becomes mature in league of US, Russia & China.

US agreement with Japan & European countries is for US using their bases only meanwhile Indo American agreement allows India to do the same. This is enough to say why not compare India with allies.

India is a peaceful and tolerant country. It hasn't done the mass killings or wars that are found in China and the Middle East. But India is far too poor for it to be able to fight against two of the largest powers on earth without support.

I think the United States can play a key role in investing into Indian institutions and encouraging growth in the research & development sector; and why shouldn't India let the United States pay for defending India from China and the MIddle Ease? Trump practically wants to invade both regions anyway!

 

[Flame Thrower]

India is a peaceful and tolerant country. It hasn't done the mass killings or wars that are found in China and the Middle East. But India is far too poor for it to be able to fight against two of the largest powers on earth without support.

I think the United States can play a key role in investing into Indian institutions and encouraging growth in the research & development sector; and why shouldn't India let the United States pay for defending India from China and the MIddle Ease? Trump practically wants to invade both regions anyway!

That doesn't mean that you play to every tune of America....

US will support us if there is ever to be a conflict between India, Pak & China.

America is going to gian with this conflict, just don't worry about it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

But India is far too poor for it to be able to fight against two of the largest powers on earth without support.

It's still 4th largest military in total firepower standing on earth and more than enough to defend itself if not imposing itself on others like USA, Russia & China can do.

Regarding being poor, it's temporary, India has one of fastest per capita income growths in world. Big population + Higher income bears a stronger economy, bears big R&D budget & Defence budget means more tech, bigger armed forces.

India's size and economic reforms in 1991 have almost secured it future for a very long time.
Given declining Chinese size, India will be largest economy left on earth by end of century.

India's per capita income growth rate has remained in order of 6.5%+, India's HDI grows around 0.02 to 0.03 points every year, at least 3 times of any other fast growing economy, India draws between 3-10 millions people out of poverty every year. Alone between 2009 & 11, it pulled 72 million people out of poverty. Let the stats of this decade come soon.

I think the United States can play a key role in investing into Indian institutions and encouraging growth in the research & development sector; and why shouldn't India let the United States pay for defending India from China and the MIddle Ease? Trump practically wants to invade both regions anyway!

India has been sustaining attraction of these investments since decades.

We don't invite them but they come here.
Because we are the biggy and we have will power to do something.

why shouldn't India let the United States pay for defending India from China and

Because we have self respect unlike "some countries" who begged USA for making military base to save them from India,

They begged for Indian intervention (their arch enemy) when China infiltrated their territory

And now they made China their "all weather friend" by gifting these territories and against begging for setting up military base to protect from Indian wrath.

MIddle Ease?

Hell, saving India for middle east?
Which threat India has in middle east.

In fact if India can call itself a net security provider in a place other than Asia Pacific, then, that is middle east.

 

[sayareakd]

Highly unlike for India. India could very well go for super cavitating torpedoes, but nuclear ones? Unlikely.

Why we are supoosed to have nukes on land, sea, air and underwater. So nuke torpedos are not very difficult, plus they have good amount of space for sub kilo ton nuke.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why we are supoosed to have nukes on land, sea, air and underwater. So nuke torpedos are not very difficult, plus they have good amount of space for sub kilo ton nuke.

One could always aspire for that, but the logical question which would arise is about its practical use. US were able to even design a atomic grenade at a time, but they did shelved the programe along with the atomic cannon because of its impracticality.

Now why would one need a Nuclear Torpedo? For area denial role its good enough with its nuclear fallout. But that fallout too would be too minimal for any effective area denial. Remember the early US naval trial of undersea nuclear explosions? They had resulted a huge nuclear contamination of the test site and was a effective area denial method of the time. But if anyone want to attain the same effective today, they cheapest way is to use dirty bomb trick instead of going for costly nuclear torpedoes. Moreover for the same effective, you would need multiple torpedoes.

Now developing one for Tech Demonstration is another thing and developing one for tactical use is another thing. So thinking practically, I don't see any reason for India pursuing it. I mean we did developed SLBM and SLCM, what good it would do by developing a Nuclear torpedo? Anyhow its not like that a whole Carrier based formation could be taken out by a single torpedo.

 

[Superdefender]

One could always aspire for that, but the logical question which would arise is about its practical use. US were able to even design a atomic grenade at a time, but they did shelved the programe along with the atomic cannon because of its impracticality.

Now why would one need a Nuclear Torpedo? For area denial role its good enough with its nuclear fallout. But that fallout too would be too minimal for any effective area denial. Remember the early US naval trial of undersea nuclear explosions? They had resulted a huge nuclear contamination of the test site and was a effective area denial method of the time. But if anyone want to attain the same effective today, they cheapest way is to use dirty bomb trick instead of going for costly nuclear torpedoes. Moreover for the same effective, you would need multiple torpedoes.

Now developing one for Tech Demonstration is another thing and developing one for tactical use is another thing. So thinking practically, I don't see any reason for India pursuing it. I mean we did developed SLBM and SLCM, what good it would do by developing a Nuclear torpedo? Anyhow its not like that a whole Carrier based formation could be taken out by a single torpedo.

Nuclear torpedo, if feasible, will begin a vicious process to eliminate underwater marine life. I do not need to tell you why it is dangerous even to think. Human can clear nuclear fallout on land, but it is probably impossible in sea/ocean.

 

[Immanuel]

Narendra Modi should tighten leash on Manohar Parrikar for his, India's interests

Prime Minister Narendra Modi should have a word with his defence minister once he returns from his visit to Japan. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar needs to have the responsibilities of his high office explicitly explained to him. For a defence minister to talk loosely about India’s nuclear prowess at a time when the PM was en route Japan is unconscionable.

The garrulous minister poked a hole through India’s nuclear posture on Thursday, questioning a basic premise of India's nuclear policy which New Delhi has been using in its negotiations with Japan as well as in its campaign for admission to the Nuclear Supplier’s Group. Parrikar’s strenuous, but late efforts claiming that these were his personal views do not hold water. Persons holding important offices should keep their personal views private and not bandy them at official functions.

Addressing the audience at a book release function, the defence minister expounded on India's nuclear policy, saying that India should not bind itself to a no-first-use policy. “Why should I bind myself?” Parrikar asked.

India had announced a moratorium on nuclear testing shortly after conducting nuclear tests in 1998; the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government had announced a no-first-use of nuclear weapons policy in 2003.







Someone in government needs to sew the mouth shut of this minister at such a high position with his foot in mouth disease all the time. You want to use nukes first, do so if it is ever actually needed but without making India look a double standard nation to whole world until and unless we actually need to break our own moratorium. Do your job but shut the silly mouth.

Stop being silly, as a Def min. he has the right to voice his beliefs and opinions, whether they eventually become policy or not. Matter of fact we need people in high establishment who voice they strong beliefs like this, for too long has India been perceived as a soft state. Who gives a flying fart about double standards name one country which practices what it preaches.

Look folks, we need to stop trying to appease everybody in having partnerships with us, we need to be consistent in our beliefs and policies, if Japan feels so threatened by India's posturing then may be their business is not welcome here. The true path to being a global power without compare in 20 years is to do what we feel is best for our country, those who want to benefit from our rise can join in our cause else they can hit the high road behind their morals

 

[scatterStorm]

Nuclear torpedo isn't very effective, the amount of fissile material and the yield under hydrodynamic conditions aren't that effective under kiloton class as the sea water mostly absorbs the shock waves produced and most of the deadly heat too, granted it can topple down few ships near the zero point but at large isn't very effective. Most of the test performed by the US and the Russians were in shallow waters to have an improved destructive force mostly due mission objectives at those times i.e. targeting a naval dockyard maybe, In deep seas I don't see there point except a ton of radioactive fishes and sea water. If pure destruction is required than maybe bumping the yield to a mega-ton class which I am not sure if the torpedo have to take major overhaul in it's design. But then putting a nuclear torpedo is irrelevant as missiles can do the job very well if your objective is to take down a CBG and modern torpedo too(less risky and not costly) if the objective is to take down a sub.

 

[archie]

Nuke torpedo being used as CBG destroyer..

 

[Kshatriya87]

India exploring new sites for building nuclear projects: report

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[Indx TechStyle]

Chemical Weapons Could Be Used Against India in War, Indian Army Chief Warns
Indian Army chief becomes second person in military establishment to talk of possible chemical or biological weapon attack.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — The Indian Army chief has asked Indians to be prepared for chemical and biological weapons in the event of aggression by either Pakistan or China. This is the second time that such a senior person in the military establishment has warned of biological and chemical weapons.

"Although chemical weapons have been banned by the United Nations, it could be used by an adversary," Indian Army chief General Bipin Rawat said at an event where the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) handed over the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Reconnaissance Vehicle (NBCRV) and medicines to the Indian Army.

Earlier, India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar had also expressed concern over possible use of these weapons in a limited war. "In southern and northern parts of Afghanistan, I have seen photographs of local population suffering from blisters. At this moment, I don't have confirmation on this, but the photos were quite disturbing," Parrikar had said.

Meanwhile, the Indian Army has inducted NBCRV MK-1 which is developed by DRDO for carrying out post-event recce of nuclear, biological and chemical weapon contaminated areas. Army had placed an indent for 16 NBCRVs in May 2010.

The Indian Army also inducted 15 drugs developed by INMAS for use as antidotes and de-corporating agents for chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) emergencies. INMAS has developed these formulations with extensive research in the last two decades.

Indian defense scientists are also undertaking research to develop an advanced CBRN Recce Vehicle Mk II (tracked) version built on BMP IIK platform equipped with standoff chemical agent detection system, biological point detection system and improved navigation and sample collection system.

Along with infantry fighting vehicles BMP 1 and BMP 2, India's main battle tanks — Arjun, T-90 and T-72 — have CBRN protection systems. India has also deployed a number of indigenously developed CBRN reconnaissance and decontamination vehicles. India is in the process of inducting two-layered Ballistic Missile Defense into its armed forces, which will further boost the capability of any CBRN attack.

 

[TPFscopes]

Cold start doctoring

A military doctrine helps standardize operations, facilitating readiness by establishing common ways of accomplishing military tasks. Its objective is to foster initiative and creative thinking and links theory, history, experimentation and practice. Cold Start is a military doctrine developed by the Indian Armed Forces to put to use in case of a war with Pakistan.Here are ten things to know about the Cold Start Doctrine:

The main objective of the Cold Start Doctrine is to launch a retaliatory conventional strike against Pakistan inflicting significant harm on the Pakistan Army before any international community could intercede, but not in way Pakistan would be provoked to make a nuclear attack.
Cold Start Doctrine deviated from India's defence strategy since 1947 - "a non-aggressive, non-provocative defense policy," - and will involve limited, rapid armoured thrusts, with infantry and necessary air support.
In May 2001, Operation Vijayee Bhava was launched by the Indian army, involving 50,000 troops to boost synergy between various banches of the armed forces. The objective of this operation was to reduce the mobilisation time drastically to 48 hours, and was successful in achieving it. Operation Vijayee Bhava is considered to be a trail run of the Cold Start Doctrine.
Later in 2011, Operation Sudarshan Shakti was conducted to revalidate Cold Start Doctrine. Focus of Sudarshan Shakti was to practice synergy and integration between ground and air forces.
Indian Army's official stance was denying the existence of the Cold Start Doctrine. However, a "proactive strategy" being in place have been confirmed by the officials.
Post the deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks, Indian government took a decision not to implement the Cold Start Doctrine. This was to defeat the strategic goals of Pakistan to redirect the attacks of other Islamist millitant groups attacking Pakistan to an external threat - India.
During the years 2007 to 2009, India's defence budget increased from $24 billion to $40 billion. Sensing threat, Pakistan increated increated its defence budget by around 32%, further stressing their already weak economy
Cold Start Doctrine was developed as the limitations of the arlier doctrine - Sundarji Doctrine - was exposed after the attack on the Indian Parliament.
According to the Cold Start Doctrine, battle Groups will be well forward from existing garrisons. India's elite strike forces will no longer sit idle waiting for the opportune moment, giving Pakistan the luxury of time.

 

[Trinetra]

India may abandon its 'no first use' nuclear policy: Expert

WASHINGTON: India may abandon its 'no first use' nuclear policy and launch a preemptive strike against Pakistan if it feared that Islamabad was likely to use the weapons first, a top nuclear expert on South Asia has claimed.

The remarks by Vipin Narang, an expert on South Asian nuclear strategy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, before a Washington audience was though a negation of India's stated policy of 'no first use'.

During the 2017 Carnegie International Nuclear Policy Conference, Narang said, "There is increasing evidence that India will not allow Pakistan to go first".

He said India "may" abandon the policy and launch a preemptive strike against Pakistan if it believed that Pakistan was going to use nuclear weapons or most likely the tactical nuclear weapons against it.

But, he pointed out, India's preemptive strike may not be conventional strikes and would also be aimed at Pakistan's missiles launchers for tactical battlefield nuclear warheads.

"India's opening salvo may not be conventional strikes trying to pick off just Nasr batteries in the theatre, but a full 'comprehensive counterforce strike' that attempts to completely disarm Pakistan of its nuclear weapons so that India does not have to engage in iterative tit-for-tat exchanges and expose its own cities to nuclear destruction," Narang said.

He said this thinking surfaces not from fringe extreme voices or retired Indian Army officers frustrated by the lack of resolve they believe their government has shown in multiple provocations, but from no less than a former Commander of India's Strategic Forces, Lt Gen BS Nagal.

It also comes perhaps more importantly and authoritatively, from the highly-respected and influential former national security adviser Shivshankar Menon in his 2016 book 'Choices: Inside the Making of India Foreign Policy', the nuclear strategist said.

"Serious voices, who cannot be ignored, seem to suggest that this is where India may be heading, and certainly wants to head," Narang said.

"So our conventional understanding of South Asia's nuclear dynamics and who, in fact, might use nuclear weapons first and in what mode may need a hard rethink given these emerging authoritative voices in India who are not content to cede the nuclear initiative to Pakistan," he said, adding that this would mark a major shift in Indian strategy if implemented.

"In short, we may be witnessing what I call a 'decoupling' of Indian nuclear strategy between China and Pakistan."

Sameer Lalwani, senior associate and deputy director South Asia at the Stimson Center, an American think-tank, said Narang's remarks challenged the conventional wisdom of South Asia's strategic stability problem.

Based on recent statements and writings of high-level national security officials (serving and retired), Narang argued that India may be exhibiting a "seismic shift" in its nuclear strategy from 'no first use' to a preemptive nuclear counterforce allowing for escalation dominance or a "splendid first strike" against Pakistan, Lalwani said.

 

[sthf]

Get yourself to UNSC, kick that no first use BS to the garbage bin and watch Pakis sweat profusely.

 

[Trinetra]

Get yourself to UNSC, kick that no first use BS to the garbage bin and watch Pakis sweat profusely.

UNSC is the only protection from India that Pakistan got .. Once India is in UNSC Pakistan will count its last days as a sovereign country.. Pakistan will either be destroyed or will be disintegrated..

 

[sayareakd]

Guys i see it like this, If Pak attack our CBG with nukes, then we will take out most of Pak and its nuke command and control, specially the underground deep bunkers of SPD and entire military of Pak, what ever nuclear assets are left our BMD will take care of those. Rest IAF will mop up everything in ex Pak airspace.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Guys i see it like this, If Pak attack our CBG with nukes, then we will take out most of Pak and its nuke command and control, specially the underground deep bunkers of SPD and entire military of Pak, what ever nuclear assets are left our BMD will take care of those. Rest IAF will mop up everything in ex Pak airspace.

How about mounting some BMD systems on carriers to avoid ASBMs?

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Its utterly foolish to think that Pak will not launch its entire arsenal after preparing to strike with tacts. Also it is foolish for India to assume that cold start will not turn nuclear. My own view is that we should have a threshold policy. If pak crosses a certain threshold (like assassinating Indian leaders or mumbai attacks), we should just unload our entire arsenal on them in one go-counterforce and countervalue in a first strike. Below that threshold like Uri attacks or bomb blasts or Nagrota type attacks, we should use covert warfare and kinetic action on LOC like fire assault or surgical strike. The days of conventional war in subcontinent are long gone but our foolish policymakers still insist otherwise.

 

[sayareakd]

How about mounting some BMD systems on carriers to avoid ASBMs?

Already its covered with Barak ER.

Yeah we need BMD Ship. With Ship version of LRTR with front area having 24 AAD and back area with 20 PDV in vertical tubes.