India's Interest in Lockheed F-35 Fighter

[aerokan]

Re: INS Viraat heads for 5-month long refit, setback for Navy plans

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India has a number of reasons for pursueing Russian weapons, but none of them have anything to do with those weapons being equal or superior to american weapons. Its more of a case of India digging a well so deep they cant get out of the hole so they are just digging deeper. or another way to put it when your up to your ass in alligators its a little late to think about draining the swamp.

Sorry dude.. We are not interested in F-35. For our country's defence needs, we have a number of good options to defend ourself from enemies without selling our soverignity and dignity infront of the Americans. India has an independent foreign policy and is not based on the ability to buy. Before sprouting unrelated non-sense like sour grapes, ask yourself this "If China is willing to increase your bond term limits for another 10 years, will you lick China's boots and become a minion for China??" I guess not. Likewise India is not willing to go for F-35 and sell it's soverignity just for a shiny metal unproven bird.

 

[p2prada]

Re: INS Viraat heads for 5-month long refit, setback for Navy plans

Why raject F35? I think F35 is more advanced than Rafale.

F-35 was offered to India outside of the MRCA deal, meaning LM asked IAF to cancel the MRCA deal and buy F-35s in a FMS deal. But IAF kept the F-35 offer separate from the MRCA deal because of varying timelines. Had F-35 been in production since 2012 then chances were ripe because we may have received the first F-35 in the 2015-16 period, now we are not even sure if we will get it before 2020.

There was an article released where IAF studied the F-35 in 2004 and decided PAKFA was the better bet and so they signed a MoU with Russia in 2005. Once the Preliminary design contract was signed with Russia, F-35 lost its chance to be part of F-35 permanently.

Currently IN has sent out RFIs to other aircraft manufacturers along with LM for the F-35. Until last year we know that IN has not received info from LM. US does not want India to buy F-35s through a tendering process because too much information needs to be divulged to other competitors in such deals. So, we need to wait and watch what they will do. It is obvious that the US is completely open to selling the F-35 in a FMS deal. Some new fangled law which says LM can only give information on F-35 after the buyer guarantees that the F-35 will be bought, so that's kind of awkward for India and also one of the reasons why F-35 was not part of the MRCA deal either.

There is a chance F-35 may join the tendering process for the Naval MRCA deal because of the size of the deal and may follow something like Korea's FX-3 deal, then again, Korea is almost guaranteed to choose the F-35.

 

[DaTang]

Re: INS Viraat heads for 5-month long refit, setback for Navy plans

F-35 was offered to India outside of the MRCA deal, meaning LM asked IAF to cancel the MRCA deal and buy F-35s in a FMS deal. But IAF kept the F-35 offer separate from the MRCA deal because of varying timelines. Had F-35 been in production since 2012 then chances were ripe because we may have received the first F-35 in the 2015-16 period, now we are not even sure if we will get it before 2020.

There was an article released where IAF studied the F-35 in 2004 and decided PAKFA was the better bet and so they signed a MoU with Russia in 2005. Once the Preliminary design contract was signed with Russia, F-35 lost its chance to be part of F-35 permanently.

Currently IN has sent out RFIs to other aircraft manufacturers along with LM for the F-35. Until last year we know that IN has not received info from LM. US does not want India to buy F-35s through a tendering process because too much information needs to be divulged to other competitors in such deals. So, we need to wait and watch what they will do. It is obvious that the US is completely open to selling the F-35 in a FMS deal. Some new fangled law which says LM can only give information on F-35 after the buyer guarantees that the F-35 will be bought, so that's kind of awkward for India and also one of the reasons why F-35 was not part of the MRCA deal either.

There is a chance F-35 may join the tendering process for the Naval MRCA deal because of the size of the deal and may follow something like Korea's FX-3 deal, then again, Korea is almost guaranteed to choose the F-35.

Royal Navy just bought 1, or 2, I have to check my numbers. Around the world, only Japanese SDA placed a big order on the condition that TOT must be concurrent with the purchase.

Your government made a right decision.

 

[asianobserve]

Re: INS Viraat heads for 5-month long refit, setback for Navy plans

Royal Navy just bought 1, or 2,xxx.

Recheck your sources, I think the initial order is for 48 F-35Bs.

 

[p2prada]

F-35 orders are 100+ for Israel and 100 for Singapore apart from development partners. Japan has ordered 42 and Korea will most probably opt for 60.

There are potential orders though, like 100+ for Turkey, 80 for Indian Navy and other air forces with smaller numbers.

 

[asianobserve]

100 for Singapore

I don't believe Singapore will order that much F-35s, maybe up to 40.

 

[p2prada]

It is only a potential order.

The delays in the program does not affect them in anyway. When they place orders it will most probably be for the amount you said, but it may increase to 100 as told by officials in the US.

Anyway, something from your own ACM.
F-35 purchase 'no threat'

F-35 purchase 'no threat'

>KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia does not feel threatened by Singapore's plan to purchase new fighter jets, its Air Force Chief General Azizan Ariffin said yesterday.
According to Bernama news agency, Gen Ariffin was quoted as saying: "I'm not surprised with the report. This is a competition to acquire modern and sophisticated assets."

He said this in response to questions asking him to comment on reports of Singapore's plans to buy up to 100 units of the the supersonic F-35, the world's most advanced fighter jet.

The jet uses stealth technology to avoid detection by radar or infrared sensors.

Speaking at the sidelines of Malaysia's air force service excellence award presentation, he said Malaysia was not lagging behind in terms of military assets. "We have the Sukhoi fighter jets and other sophisticated assets," he said.

 

[p2prada]

They are talking about the F-16 when they say legacy aircraft. No idea if it will be achieved though.

 

[Snuggy321]

Y is this thread still running?

 

[p2prada]

JSF.mil > Program > Overview

The Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Program, formerly the Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) Program, is the Department of Defense's focal point for defining affordable next generation strike aircraft weapon systems for the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and our allies. The focus of the program is affordability -- reducing the development cost, production cost, and cost of ownership of the JSF family of aircraft.

The JSF will fulfill stated Service needs as follows:

U. S. Navy First day of war, survivable strike fighter aircraft to complement F/A-18E/F
U.S. Air Force Multirole aircraft (primary-air-to-ground) to replace the F-16 and A-10 and complement the F/A-22
U.S. Marine Corps STOVL aircraft to replace the AV-8B and F/A-18 as their only strike fighter
United Kingdom Royal Navy & Royal Air Force STOVL aircraft to replace Sea Harriers & GR.7s as a supersonic strike fighter
Other Countries Potential JSF customers include current operators of F-16, F/A-18, and AV-8B

Prior to the start of System Design and Development (SDD) in Fall 2001, the program facilitated the Services' development of fully validated, affordable operational requirements, and it lowered risk by investing in and demonstrating key leveraging technologies and operational concepts. Upon SDD contract award to Lockheed Martin on 26 October 2001, the program embarked on full development of three affordable and effective JSF variants.

 

[p2prada]

Y is this thread still running?

Because we are still interested in buying the F-35 for the Navy.

 

[Snuggy321]

Because we are still interested in buying the F-35 for the Navy.

do you have any source for this apart form pure speculation?=

 

[nrj]

India's Interest in Lockheed F-35 Fighter

Aren't we over this already?

There is no offer & no interest.

 

[p2prada]

do you have any source for this apart form pure speculation?=

What speculation? RFI has been sent to LM for F-35.

defence.professionals | defpro.com

Indian Navy (IN) has issued Request for Inquiry (RFI) to acquire new generation aircraft to operate from its aircraft carriers it intends to induct over the next decade. The RFI does not state the number of aircraft it intends to procure.

The RFIs have been issued to global majors, who include Lockheed Martin, Boeing for F/A-18, Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault for Rafale, Rosoboronexport for newer Russian MiG or Sukhoi shipboard fighters. The RFI for new shipboard fighters is over and above the 45 MiG-29K fighter aircrafts India has acquired from Russia, 16 of which were ordered along with INS Gorshkov aircraft carrier in 2004.

In the meantime, signaling that U.S. was willing to take its partnership with India to the next level, Orville Prins of Lockheed Martin has stated that it would offer its B and C variant of the F-35 aircraft to the IN. The B version of the F-35 is a short take-off and vertical landing aircraft and the C version is an aircraft carrier-based version.

Caution India: LOCKHEEH MARTIN DISPLAYED F 35 AT AERO INDIA 2011

After Rafale and EF were selected for MRCA, they announced that a new RFP will be sent out for 80 aircraft. That's for the Navy.

 

[devil510]

billion dollar loss

 

[Killswitch]

The RAFALE, PAK FA, and AMCA are more than enough for Indias needs. the F35 is:

overpriced
behind schedule
compromised by PRC hacking
too low on major performance parameters

 

[nrj]

Navy isn't even ready with its Naval air defense strategy.

And marketing ninjas are here to turn Naval bases into a zoo.

 

[ice berg]

What speculation? RFI has been sent to LM for F-35.

defence.professionals | defpro.com


Caution India: LOCKHEEH MARTIN DISPLAYED F 35 AT AERO INDIA 2011

After Rafale and EF were selected for MRCA, they announced that a new RFP will be sent out for 80 aircraft. That's for the Navy.

A moot point since it is up to the Congress to decide. It is not up to LM to call the shoots.

 

[SajeevJino]

Hai UPA

That's a Nice deal to Loot Money........

 

[p2prada]

A moot point since it is up to the Congress to decide. It is not up to LM to call the shoots.

While the decision has not yet been made by Congress due to lack of a requirement from the Indian side apart from the RFI (which is not enough to make such a decision), Pentagon did say in their report the military is willing to allow F-35 export to India, which is saying a lot.