India's Future Main Battle Tank, NGMBT

[Bleh]

I was given info that out of order of 118 MK.1As about 70 are simply reworked Mk.1 with upgrades,
so outta 118 only 48 or one regiment-worthy tanks would be new.

Ye kisne bola ji?.. That'd be something worth looking into. Far too big to not get mentioned anywhere.

 

[Bajirao]

I heard that FMBT concept was dropped long back as they dint see any significant technology that required an evolution in tank armory. Arjun 2 is nothing but the FMBT that we hear today. Can the senior members verify this?

Satish reddy in a jan,2020 interview mentioned ngmbt project,that means it's a santioned project...

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

We have designs for 4 man crew (Arjun mK1A, Mk2), 3 man crew + manned turret (old FMBT), 3 man crew + unmanned turret (new FMBT) and 2 man crew (new design revealed by DRDO scientists) tanks.

Problem is Army has not firmed its requirements for the last 10 years. Earlier they wanted 3 man crew + manned turret. Then they wanted Armata style (3 man crew + unmanned turret). Now now they want 4 man crew. However weight of all these variants should be in the 40-50 tons. These are purely unrealistic expectations.

I remember back in 2007-08 when Arjun MK1 was getting produced at HVF, Army organized a Future tank conference and invited global speakers to give their input to India's FMBT. There one of the most prominent speakers Maj. General Israel Tal (designer of Merkava tank) spoke that having developed an indegeneous tank, India should work on its upgradation since tank design is an evolutionary phenomenon all around the globe. Nevertheless, his suggestions were ignorned and Army wanted a FMBT and issued hi-fi specifications of its design goal to DRDO. The specifications were not based on its operational doctrice, rather it was a cut-paste job of the specifications from Janes defence magazine of FCS tank (USA) and T-95 tank (Russia) (which at that time were considered future tanks). As usual none of FCS and T-95 materialized in their respective countries.

IMHO they are just stalling the DRDO programme, so that Armata T-14S in the name of FRCV can be brought as a replacement of T-72 and T-90. Army is even tryning to stall the L&T and DRDO JV on 30-35 ton Light tank based on K10 hull; in order to import 2S25 Sprurt SD tank.

 

[not so dravidian]

We have designs for 4 man crew (Arjun mK1A, Mk2), 3 man crew + manned turret (old FMBT), 3 man crew + unmanned turret (new FMBT) and 2 man crew (new design revealed by DRDO scientists) tanks.

Problem is Army has not firmed its requirements for the last 10 years. Earlier they wanted 3 man crew + manned turret. Then they wanted Armata style (3 man crew + unmanned turret). Now now they want 4 man crew. However weight of all these variants should be in the 40-50 tons. These are purely unrealistic expectations.

I remember back in 2007-08 when Arjun MK1 was getting produced at HVF, Army organized a Future tank conference and invited global speakers to give their input to India's FMBT. There one of the most prominent speakers Maj. General Israel Tal spoke that having developed an indegeneous tank, India should work on its upgradation since tank design is an evolutionary phenomenon all around the globe. Nevertheless, his suggestions were ignorned and Army wanted a FMBT and issued hi-fi specifications of its design goal to DRDO. The specifications were not based on its operational doctrice, rather it was a cut-paste job of the specifications from Janes defence magazine of FCS tank (USA) and T-95 tank (Russia) (which at that time were considered future tanks). As usual non of FCS and T-95 materialized in their respective countries.

IMHO they are just stalling the DRDO programme, so that Armata T-14S in the name of FRCV can be brought as a replacement of T-72 and T-90. Army is even tryning to stall the L&T and DRDO JV on 30-35 ton Light tank based on K10 hull; in order to import 2S25 Sprurt SD tank.

very much true indeed, i've heard saying that ARMORED CROPS HAS MOST CORRUPT GENERALS!

 

[fire starter]

very much true indeed, i've heard saying that ARMORED CROPS HAS MOST CORRUPT GENERALS!

Some purge is need to be done after that every one will fall in line for some years.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

We have designs for 4 man crew (Arjun mK1A, Mk2), 3 man crew + manned turret (old FMBT), 3 man crew + unmanned turret (new FMBT) and 2 man crew (new design revealed by DRDO scientists) tanks.

Problem is Army has not firmed its requirements for the last 10 years. Earlier they wanted 3 man crew + manned turret. Then they wanted Armata style (3 man crew + unmanned turret). Now now they want 4 man crew. However weight of all these variants should be in the 40-50 tons. These are purely unrealistic expectations.

I remember back in 2007-08 when Arjun MK1 was getting produced at HVF, Army organized a Future tank conference and invited global speakers to give their input to India's FMBT. There one of the most prominent speakers Maj. General Israel Tal (designer of Merkava tank) spoke that having developed an indegeneous tank, India should work on its upgradation since tank design is an evolutionary phenomenon all around the globe. Nevertheless, his suggestions were ignorned and Army wanted a FMBT and issued hi-fi specifications of its design goal to DRDO. The specifications were not based on its operational doctrice, rather it was a cut-paste job of the specifications from Janes defence magazine of FCS tank (USA) and T-95 tank (Russia) (which at that time were considered future tanks). As usual none of FCS and T-95 materialized in their respective countries.

IMHO they are just stalling the DRDO programme, so that Armata T-14S in the name of FRCV can be brought as a replacement of T-72 and T-90. Army is even tryning to stall the L&T and DRDO JV on 30-35 ton Light tank based on K10 hull; in order to import 2S25 Sprurt SD tank.

Yap.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

We have designs for 4 man crew (Arjun mK1A, Mk2), 3 man crew + manned turret (old FMBT), 3 man crew + unmanned turret (new FMBT) and 2 man crew (new design revealed by DRDO scientists) tanks.

Problem is Army has not firmed its requirements for the last 10 years. Earlier they wanted 3 man crew + manned turret. Then they wanted Armata style (3 man crew + unmanned turret). Now now they want 4 man crew. However weight of all these variants should be in the 40-50 tons. These are purely unrealistic expectations.

I remember back in 2007-08 when Arjun MK1 was getting produced at HVF, Army organized a Future tank conference and invited global speakers to give their input to India's FMBT. There one of the most prominent speakers Maj. General Israel Tal (designer of Merkava tank) spoke that having developed an indegeneous tank, India should work on its upgradation since tank design is an evolutionary phenomenon all around the globe. Nevertheless, his suggestions were ignorned and Army wanted a FMBT and issued hi-fi specifications of its design goal to DRDO. The specifications were not based on its operational doctrice, rather it was a cut-paste job of the specifications from Janes defence magazine of FCS tank (USA) and T-95 tank (Russia) (which at that time were considered future tanks). As usual none of FCS and T-95 materialized in their respective countries.

IMHO they are just stalling the DRDO programme, so that Armata T-14S in the name of FRCV can be brought as a replacement of T-72 and T-90. Army is even tryning to stall the L&T and DRDO JV on 30-35 ton Light tank based on K10 hull; in order to import 2S25 Sprurt SD tank.

DRDO alleged Enggine failure of Mk 1 in winter trials were due to sabotage

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I have a question , can anyone here tell me about any anti armour weapon, guided or those recoilless types , which can penetrate the Chinese tanks?
I am basically asking , if there is a new projectile etc in Development?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

DRDO alleged Enggine failure of Mk 1 in winter trials were due to sabotage

It was during comparitive trials with T-90 in artound 2008.
MTU Engine was malfunctioning in desert. Army compalined to DRDO. DRDO subsequently complained to Renk AG, who send German engineers. After initial inspections they suggested that the engine has been tampered with. So DRDO took a decison to install a black box device on the engine.

Sabotage suspected in Arjun tank engine

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has installed a black box-like instrument in the indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun

www.dnaindia.com

 

[Marliii]

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army sent rfi to Turkey Atlay tank

 

[Bleh]

Indian army sent rfi to Turkey Atlay tank

Altay is actually pretty neat!.. If we're gonna import, then I'd rather have K2 tech in Leopard2 based chasis over more Tandoor-90.

Plus Paki o ki jalegi... Merkava hull chasis with our NGMBT crewless turret would be good too. With same effect on Pakis

 

[Marliii]

Altay is actually pretty neat!.. If we're gonna import, then I'd rather have K2 tech in Leopard2 based chasis over more Tandoor-90.

Plus Paki o ki jalegi... Merkava hull chasis with our NGMBT crewless turret would be good too. With same effect on Pakis

atlay is a version of k2 and recently poland also went for a version called k2pl .so an NGMBT based on k2 with the help of koreans is a good idea?

 

[Bleh]

atlay is a version of k2 and recently poland also went for a version called k2pl .so an NGMBT based on k2 with the help of koreans is a good idea?

I don't see why not..

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

atlay is a version of k2 and recently poland also went for a version called k2pl .so an NGMBT based on k2 with the help of koreans is a good idea?

The problem with that idea is both Turkey and Poland have not developed their own indegenous tank, which DRDO has done.

In the history of armoured vehicles, No country/company has gone for license manufacturing of foreign tanks, after having designed and developed its own tank.

 

[Blood+]

The problem with that idea is both Turkey and Poland have not developed their own indegenous tank, which DRDO has done.

In the history of armoured vehicles, No country/company has gone for license manufacturing of foreign tanks, after having designed and developed its own tank.

Well, not if their own design is a complete clusterfuck which happens to be the case with 'Arjun'.

 

[rohit b3]

Indian army sent rfi to Turkey Atlay tank

Altay has a weight of 65 tons, similar to Arjun mk1A. No problem with that now?

 

[Marliii]

Altay has a weight of 65 tons, similar to Arjun mk1A. No problem with that now?

That cockroach tank atlay is plagued with problems so they may not even respond

 

[Trololo]

Even if due to some magical reason Altay wins the competition we should never go for it. Because then we will be funding the up gunning for Pak.
Secondly there should be no competition for an FMBT. The wherewithal to build tanks is available in house.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Altay has a weight of 65 tons, similar to Arjun mk1A. No problem with that now?

Are Chill bhai...yeh India army hai inko sirf Phoren Maal aur Ball pasand hai..