India's Anti-Satellite (ASAT) Weapons

[porky_kicker]

Oh, I was thinking of conspiracy theory that maybe not necessarily only one ASAT weapon system tested as anounced. Because that second tamamtar wala twitter baba joked about Pakistan losing signal from spy satellites (borrowed from China) it was using to monitor Indian troop movement; and I don't know what PM meant by the word 'live' satellite.

That can be done by ground based EW systems .

Downlink / uplink channel of satellites can be hacked and denied , even some private companies in India have the capability to do so. So child's play for government agencies if the conditions are right to do so.

Just saying have this picture of a system on a semi mobile trailer.

Your guess will be as good as mine wrt its purpose. It's definitely not for communication purposes when you have SATCOM terminals which can be packed into suitcases in some cases. So............

Samyukta EW system has a similar but smaller sub system.

 

[aghamarshana]

But if China (assuming) impacted Indian satellite with laser beam over Tibetan plateau, doesn't that mean China violated the agreement with Russia?

China possessing laser beam is dangerous, we should have a counter. I read a couple of years back DRDO was working on lasers and we will have Sci-fi movies kind weapons in future. Do we have something ready?

This makes me think, a couple of years back we lost a couple of fighter jets in Arunachal Pradesh near China border. Both lost contact while flying over the forest and later debris were found. Both incidents happened within a span of a month. My logical deduction is telling me that China might have used a similar laser weapons that could have caused both crashes. I never read thereafter about any reports from enquiry about both incidents. In both cases pilots were not found assumed dead if my memory is good.

I also had similar doubts. But,weaponised lasers pierce through the body of target. If that was d case IAF would've known after observing the debris.
Not that I am denying the possibility of Chinks using DEWs along d LAC. But hitting a satellite moving at super speeds with a laser weapon is difficult afaik.Hence they go for Kinetic kill,which also reinforces ABM capability.

 

[porky_kicker]

But if China (assuming) impacted Indian satellite with laser beam over Tibetan plateau, doesn't that mean China violated the agreement with Russia?

China possessing laser beam is dangerous, we should have a counter. I read a couple of years back DRDO was working on lasers and we will have Sci-fi movies kind weapons in future. Do we have something ready?

This makes me think, a couple of years back we lost a couple of fighter jets in Arunachal Pradesh near China border. Both lost contact while flying over the forest and later debris were found. Both incidents happened within a span of a month. My logical deduction is telling me that China might have used a similar laser weapons that could have caused both crashes. I never read thereafter about any reports from enquiry about both incidents. In both cases pilots were not found assumed dead if my memory is good.

Seriously ?

Laser weapons are some wonder weapon which somehow manage to bend the laws of physics ?

And importantly LOS ( line of sight ) issues in the case of drowning su30 all the way from Tibet ? Wow ! forget about the existence of such operational lasers

Seriously bro.

Let me ask you other then mobility why did US pack lasers into large aircrafts ?

Maybe because it's very difficult for lasers to hit targets at large distances with peak power enough to cause damage of any sorts ?

One must not underestimate the enemy but one must not overestimate too.

Chinese lasers are mainly for optical dazzling which isn't a tough thing to do , provide necessary funds to DRDO , they will have it in a 1 year or so.

Here we have top dog Americans struggling to put up mil grade ground based laser systems powerful and effective enough to kill aircrafts at > medium altitudes, and here we all are busy imagining Chinese lasers performing miracles against satellites and fighter aircrafts at over 1000km.

Last comment too stupid a issue to waste time on.

 

[bhramos]

Pentagon warns India against 'messy' tests in space, despite doing similar one in 2008

India risks creating dangerous debris while blasting missiles into space, the Pentagon said, despite having conducted a very similar test in the past and producing thousands of pieces of space junk orbiting the Earth.
New Delhi successfully conducted an anti-satellite missile test this week. In Washington, acting Pentagon chief Patrick Shanahan admonished India for littering in orbit.

"My message would be: We all live in space, let's not make it a mess," he told reporters, adding that the US is still studying the effects of India's missile on the environment. The military earlier noted that it is currently tracking around 270 objects left from the destroyed satellite.

Shanahan's concerns were met with reassurances from India. G. Satheesh Reddy, who leads the nation's Defense Research and Development Organization, said that all the debris will burn up in about 45 days.

"That's why we did it at lower altitude, it will vanish in no time," the official told Reuters.

 

[sayareakd]

DRDO swordfish radar with range of ~ 1500km was used to track the satellite during ASAT test

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Pic was previously posted by me in DRDO thread a month or so ago.

Great post.......................... this helped us track the missile. Recently DRDO has been saying we can reach up to 2000 kms and taken out satellites any time we want.

 

[sorcerer]

china a Super BITCH in the REGION

China lashes out at western countries for not criticizing India's ASAT Test
“China carried out an anti-satellite missile test in 2007, which was strongly criticized by the US and other Western countries. India conducted the same test, but instead of condemning the country, the West viewed it from the China-India competition perspective. Only a US official warned nations of space debris caused by the test, without any moral accusations,” state-run Global Times wrote in an editorial titled ‘Anti-satellite test shouldn’t stir India’s nationalism.’

“…India should understand that it will trail China in military and comprehensive strength for a long time.”

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...tellite-missile-test/articleshow/68640144.cms

INSECURITY at its HIGHEST!! India is doing the right Thing

 

[hit&run]

One must not go by the headlines, presstitutes need more eyes and clicks.

India is least concerned about what others say or think and they all know it.

 

[Nicky G]

china a Super BITCH in the REGION

China lashes out at western countries for not criticizing India's ASAT Test
“China carried out an anti-satellite missile test in 2007, which was strongly criticized by the US and other Western countries. India conducted the same test, but instead of condemning the country, the West viewed it from the China-India competition perspective. Only a US official warned nations of space debris caused by the test, without any moral accusations,” state-run Global Times wrote in an editorial titled ‘Anti-satellite test shouldn’t stir India’s nationalism.’

“…India should understand that it will trail China in military and comprehensive strength for a long time.”

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...tellite-missile-test/articleshow/68640144.cms

INSECURITY at its HIGHEST!! India is doing the right Thing

Whiny little bitch. You criticized me but didn't criticize India. Bwah

 

[happylion]

When Global times screams - we are doing something right !!

 

[Compersion]

have to say that i am impressed with the sleek design and look of the stuff we are making. from missiles to even guns and more. the ASAT missile looks incredible sleek like a bullet and beautiful to the eyes.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Guys you need to see this.

https://t.co/ExhI98mQEj

Look at these butthurt Western analysts. Look at Ankit Panda. Somehow he has to damage India's reputation and credibility and show to the rest of the world that Indian scientists and technocrats are useless.

He needed to show the world that there was something amiss in the Feb 27th ASAT missile test and everything wasn't hunky dory. He needs to spin a story around that test and prove what went wrong. India cannot achieve a direct hit in the very first attempt. Impossible.


So he has come out with this bullshit article in the Diplomat where he alleges that our Feb 12th test BMD test had failed. He puts out the requisite NOTAM and shows how the closed airspace area matches with the Feb 12 th NOTAM.
He also states that the Feb 12th was the first test of the PDV MKII interceptor. As it was a failure, there weren't any MoD and PTI press releases.

Thus India hadn't succeeded in its very first attempt like China.

Ankit Panda's sources in the US Intelligence community had cited that the interceptor failed at 30 seconds after lift off. He says the missile booster has apparently malfunctioned.

So the US knew that the Feb 12th test was a complete failure and chose to keep mum all this time but suddenly after one and a half months they had come to their senses and they confided to Mr Ankit that how the interceptor failed.
BRILLIANT.

Ankit Panda also goes on to say that we had conveyed our intention to Uncle Sam that we will be carrying out some interceptor test but we didn't specify whether we will be hitting a ballistic missile or a satellite.
Fucking Awesome.


Guys who are there on Twitter, pls answer that arsehole of an analyst. Tell him in the Feb 12th test, we tested PDV against an electronic target and the missile had made a cross over according to Mr Hemant Kumar Rout of Indian Express. The test was successful.

Well, up your rear, Mr Ankit Panda. That test was a success and we don't need any body's permission to conduct an Asat interceptor test

 

[Chinmoy]

https://theprint.in/defence/chinese...eyes-sky/39543/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just read this for few clarification on LASER tech.

https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-far-can-laser-light-travel

 

[Enquirer]

His statements raises curious questions!

He said a Satellite has a very high RCS compared to a ballistic missile.....but the kill vehicle for a satellite uses an IIR seeker while the kill vehicle for a ballistic missile uses an RF seeker!!!
Somehow it doesn't appear to square!!!

Or perhaps the future BMD missiles will use the newly developed IIR seekers going forward???

Still, it doesn't answer the question why an new IIR seeker needed to be developed for ASAT when RF seeker might have done the job given a satellite's high RCS!!!

Some good answers from VK Saraswat...

AAD/PDV used RF seekers with a range of 20-30kms
IIR seeker in ASAT is of 50-100km range

 

[bhramos]

In the pics TEL is shown with a dummy placeholder for missile.

 

[Enquirer]

Guys you need to see this.

https://t.co/ExhI98mQEj

Look at these butthurt Western analysts. Look at Ankit Panda. Somehow he has to damage India's reputation and credibility and show to the rest of the world that Indian scientists and technocrats are useless.

He needed to show the world that there was something amiss in the Feb 27th ASAT missile test and everything wasn't hunky dory. He needs to spin a story around that test and prove what went wrong. India cannot achieve a direct hit in the very first attempt. Impossible.


So he has come out with this bullshit article in the Diplomat where he alleges that our Feb 12th test BMD test had failed. He puts out the requisite NOTAM and shows how the closed airspace area matches with the Feb 12 th NOTAM.
He also states that the Feb 12th was the first test of the PDV MKII interceptor. As it was a failure, there weren't any MoD and PTI press releases.

Thus India hadn't succeeded in its very first attempt like China.

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Ankit Panda's sources in the US Intelligence community had cited that the interceptor failed at 30 seconds after lift off. He says the missile booster has apparently malfunctioned.

So the US knew that the Feb 12th test was a complete failure and chose to keep mum all this time but suddenly after one and a half months they had come to their senses and they confided to Mr Ankit that how the interceptor failed.
BRILLIANT.

Ankit Panda also goes on to say that we had conveyed our intention to Uncle Sam that we will be carrying out some interceptor test but we didn't specify whether we will be hitting a ballistic missile or a satellite.
Fucking Awesome.


Guys who are there on Twitter, pls answer that arsehole of an analyst. Tell him in the Feb 12th test, we tested PDV against an electronic target and the missile had made a cross over according to Mr Hemant Kumar Rout of Indian Express. The test was successful.

Well, up your rear, Mr Ankit Panda. That test was a success and we don't need any body's permission to conduct an Asat interceptor test

How big of an idiot he is is quite obvious!
Has any moron ever heard that a missile blows up within 1/10 of the required flight time and the design agency redesigns, rebuilds & retests in SIX WEEKS time???.........and lo it's 100% successful after that!!!
These assholes just like to create a sensation to grab eyeballs!!!

 

[Enquirer]

Some good answers from VK Saraswat...

AAD/PDV used RF seekers with a range of 20-30kms
IIR seeker in ASAT is of 50-100km range

VK Saraswat also mentioned that the new IIR seeker (used in ASAT) has the tracking range and sensitivity to destroy a ballistic missile of 5000kms range - whose velocity is similar to that of the LEO satellite!

 

[ezsasa]

How big of an idiot he is is quite obvious!

These assholes just like to create a sensation to grab eyeballs!!!

it is not as innocent as sensationalism.. they are flooding the news space with misinformation.
imagine 10-15 years from now, a newbie wants to research on ASAT program history on google. this article will also show up. the guy will seeing 10-15 versions of the same content on multiple left oriented news portal. and wallah!!! false narrative has been created .. then people like ram guha will ensure it is recorded in a print edition of some book. then it becomes history..

 

[Arihant Roy]

My bovine piss sipping bhakts, there's something I wish to say. Pls lend me your ears.

Have watched Dr V Saraswat 's interview on Print about the ASAT test. And as expected from Shekhar Gupta, he only wants to drive home the point that UPA hadn't formally rejected and decline to give the approval to the ASAT missile project back in 2012. But again, he fails miserably.

Dr Saraswat clearly points out that he had made an informal presentation to then NSA on the ASAT project but he didn't get any response. He mentioned the exact wod pulse. There wasn't any pulse from the NSA and the people concerned. So he didn't make any formal proposal about the ASAT missile to the Cabinet.

To this, the intern of Print asks whether an informal go ahead is required to go ahead with the program and make an official presentation . Again remember, this innocent mademoiselle is hell bent on proving that UPA is innocent and they didn't have any intentions of blocking the Asat proposal.

To this Dr Saraswat had cleverly replied that yes, an informal go ahead is required to make a detailed project report on the program and this report is then presented before the ruling disposition and NSA for approval and securing the required funds. He also mentions this used to be the norm those days.


So in simple words, no informal go ahead was given, not an iota of interest was shown to have this capability by the then GOI - Read pulse - which resulted in the Asat project being sidelined.



Now coming to more important matters.

1. Dr Saraswat has said that in the earlier series of BMD interceptors AAD and PAD, the kinetic kill vehicle had RF seekers which had a 20 30 km range He hasn't said that PDV kinetic kv also used an RF seeker.

2. ASAT interceptor which DRDO calls PDV MKII uses an IIR seeker with a 50-100 km range. By range read acquisition and identification capability.

3.PDV also uses an IIR seeker in its kill vehicle but it had a lower resolution FPA. The one on Mk2 most likely uses a 1K FPA seeker.

4. He then says that in the Asat test the closing velocity ie relative velocity 10000 metres /s or more. The satellite travelling at 7.5-8 met/s and the interceptor moving at 3 metres/sec. In other words PDV MKII is a Mach 10 class hypersonic missile.
This is important in the context of aero thermodynamics. Ensuring structural integrity of the missile second stage and kinetic kill vehicle at such speeds.

5. He says now we can intercept ballistic missiles with ranges of 5000 km. He says when intercepting such missiles the closing speeds are less, around 7 km/sec. He says in the Asat test, the kinetic kill vehicle needs to be accurate to a milli sec or less since in a milli second, both the missile and the sat would have travelled 10 metres. So the kinetic kill vehicle must have divert thrusters with adequate agility and reaction time so as to reduce the errors and ensure a direct hit.

This is significant.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Now bhakts coming to the Ankit Panda article on the earlier BMD test.

1. Drdo insiders had refuted his claims that it was an ASAT test. Says the test was a success. Source. The Tribune.

2. Ankit Panda claims that the March 27th NOTAM matches with the Feb 12th NOTAM. Earlier when we had issued NOTAM for BMD interceptor tests especially the pad and pdv ones, the NOTAM issued looked very similar to the one issued for the 27th Asat test. Ravi Gupta, a retired Drdo missile complex scientist had confirmed the same in the Ndtv show.

3. Ankit Panda claims that the Microsat R satellite was at a similar altitude and position in space when we launched PDV at 11:10 am - 5:40 UST on Feb 12th. Similar to the Microsat R altitude and position on Feb 27th. Panda then applies his retard logic and says since Microsat R was in a similar position during these two tests, we had indeed conducted an Asat test on Feb 12th where the interceptor had failed to hit Microsat R.

Now Here IS THE Important part.
Microsat R is a military sat and carried experimental DRDO payloads. Now WHAT PAYLOAD did it carry? Microsat R carried IMAGING ELECTRO OPTICAL PAYLOADS. So what had indeed happened is that PDV made a close pass, a deliberate close approach to the Microsat R satellite in the Feb 12th test. And Microsat R saw the approaching KKV and its different maneuvers in real time. This data was relayed back and was used to judge the KKV performance - the divert thruster altitude control and reaction performance, the IIR seeker performance. What was the miss distance? Whether there was a direct hit on the imaginary target. This imaginary sat was some distance away from the Microsat R so that the imaging payload can track and see what was happening.

The PDV used in the Feb 12th test had this all new KV which employed the 1000 pixel FPA. This test was used to validate the KKV performance before the actual satellite intercept--a kind of dry run and our Microsat R saw this in real time and relayed back this data. Which was used by DRDO to fine tune the KV.

This was why Microsat R was in that position in space and alt on Feb 12th which is exactly similar to its 3D position on March 27th .
BUT DRDO couldn't possibly have revealed this. Coz then the BMD cover which we used for the ASAT missile test would be blown and people would come to know of our direct ascent Anti satellite missile program. So DRDO sources had said PDV was tested against an electronic target ON Feb -12th The missile rose smoothly, made a cross over and all mission objectives were met.


But ANKIT PANDA being a first rate arsehole and Vipin Narang, his equally brain dead rtard missile defense expert obviously failed to see this. Coz they are too highly qualified to make such a common sensical conclusion. Then with much fanfare Mr Ankit wrote an article forvthe Diplomat and proudly announced to the world that India had failed in its first Anti satellite missile test. And then Ndtv came into the picture and aired his opinion.

NO ONE FOR A MOMENT HAD REALISED WHAT WE HAD REALLY DONE.

 

[happylion]

NKS had mentioned before that an electronic test was a prelude to the actual kill. The moment he said that I realized that the previous unexplained NOTAM that was placed was for the electronic target test.