Indian Army: News and Discussion

[Jedi Operator]

So that means at this point you just take an avg joe from the field and tell him to pose at a museum depicting Indian army 2 decades back

 

[airborneCommando]

Still largely representative of what 80% of out infantry will use in any large scale conflict.

ASC, Signals, Armd Corps, Mechinf are largely equipped with this same kit. An Avg Infantryman deployed in fwd areas is quite different. Can mods shift this whole convo to Indian Infantry/army thread ?

 

[Arad Operator]

@Indx TechStyle @ezsasa @ALBY please do the needful. This is indeed an interesting topic.

Yeah its true, our forces has this mindset that the support arms aren't fighting the enemy heads-on so why equip them with 'sophisticated' gear

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

ASC, Signals, Armd Corps, Mechinf are largely equipped with this same kit. An Avg Infantryman deployed in fwd areas is quite different. Can mods shift this whole convo to Indian Infantry/army thread ?

in rear areas infantry are also in similar position

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

look at our soldier dawg , we aint winning shit ..

we can't even afford a proper rig and backpack

You dont loose wars with this kit...

You loose lives.

War will be won when the incompetency will be covered with a cocktail of Martini of Desh bhakti and Vodka of history will be given to young 20 year olds to fight.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

ASC, Signals, Armd Corps, Mechinf are largely equipped with this same kit. An Avg Infantryman deployed in fwd areas is quite different. Can mods shift this whole convo to Indian Infantry/army thread ?

Outside of soldiers in COIN in J&K and the LOC, most of our soldiers still use the same equipment in that picture. Even on the LAC too barring some areas and units. You will so many M1974 helmets on the LAC and NE COIN Ops albeit with the crappy load bearing vests with plate inserts. Rear formations have absolutely horrendous equipment that is severely outdated. Same for support arms like Artillery, Signals etc. This is what majority of out troops will look like in a Conventional Conflict, with possibly no time or gap for “Emergency Purchases”. Though things have definitely improved from before, it still isn’t anywhere as fast as it needs to be.

Forces deployed in COIN aren’t the only benchmark to keep when looking at modernisation of the infantry. They too have a long way to go in terms of being properly equipped, but are relatively better off.

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[pankaj nema]

Eye on eastern Ladakh, new Army division likely to be raised this year
72 Divisions, planned as part of 17 MSC, set to be raised under Northern Command

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/india/eye-on-eastern-ladakh-new-army-division-likely-to-be-raised-this-year-9268541/lite/

 

[kaboom]

Outside of soldiers in COIN in J&K and the LOC, most of our soldiers still use the same equipment in that picture. Even on the LAC too barring some areas and units. You will so many M1974 helmets on the LAC and NE COIN Ops albeit with the crappy load bearing vests with plate inserts. Rear formations have absolutely horrendous equipment that is severely outdated. Same for support arms like Artillery, Signals etc. This is what majority of out troops will look like in a Conventional Conflict, with possibly no time or gap for “Emergency Purchases”. Though things have definitely improved from before, it still isn’t anywhere as fast as it needs to be.

Forces deployed in COIN aren’t the only benchmark to keep when looking at modernisation of the infantry. They too have a long way to go in terms of being properly equipped, but are relatively better off.
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One of the justifications given is that they are not frontline troops ,
but ASC troops will have to fight when engaged when running logistics , what will they do then .

Also the frontline formations don't even last for a few weeks when a high intensity war breaks out , these men at the rear will replace them with these substandard gear , and even if they magically provide them with decent gear they won't know how to use them (like optics ,nvgs etc) , as they were never exposed to them .

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

One of the justifications given is that they are not frontline troops ,
but ASC troops will have to fight when engaged when running logistics , what will they do then .

Also the frontline formations don't even last for a few weeks when a high intensity war breaks out , these men at the rear will replace them with these substandard gear , and even if they magically provide them with decent gear they won't know how to use them (like optics ,nvgs etc) , as they were never exposed to them .

Let it go their is no point in arguing with these guys they have already made it that we can't argue on gear or we are dumb how can we question Army's decision making

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[ezsasa]

One of the justifications given is that they are not frontline troops ,
but ASC troops will have to fight when engaged when running logistics , what will they do then .

Also the frontline formations don't even last for a few weeks when a high intensity war breaks out , these men at the rear will replace them with these substandard gear , and even if they magically provide them with decent gear they won't know how to use them (like optics ,nvgs etc) , as they were never exposed to them .

do you have info on how much on new kit procurement has happened since 2015-16, and which formations new kit has gone to so far?

 

[kaboom]

do you have info on how much on new kit procurement has happened since 2015-16, and which formations new kit has gone to so far?

1.58 lakh helmets (mku to delivered 160k by end of 2024 , 10k tata ach delivered 50k remaining, rest idk )
1.86 lakh BPJ ( although the SMPP product can be debated upon , i would say it is pretty much useless)
70k sig716i + speculated 70k ( no optics etc )
670k ak 203 (pretty much stuck ) (again no talk about optics )
a no of ak mod kits from different firms .
16k negev LMG to replace INSAS and bren ( peanuts in comparison to the numbers needed)
1.15k sako trg sniper rifles on order ( deliveries started )

also no talk about NVGs , radios , ear protection

Also i think there is a problem with the distribution of these new equipment between different units , this leads to some horrendous differences in gear .

 

[ezsasa]

1.58 lakh helmets (mku to delivered 160k by end of 2024 , 10k tata ach delivered 50k remaining, rest idk )
1.86 lakh BPJ ( although the SMPP product can be debated upon , i would say it is pretty much useless)
70k sig716i + speculated 70k ( no optics etc )
670k ak 203 (pretty much stuck ) (again no talk about optics )
a no of ak mod kits from different firms .
16k negev LMG to replace INSAS and bren ( peanuts in comparison to the numbers needed)
1.15k sako trg sniper rifles on order ( deliveries started )

also no talk about NVGs , radios , ear protection

Also i think there is a problem with the distribution of these new equipment between different units , this leads to some horrendous differences in gear .

so another decade minimum, to reach saturation.

 

[operatorgrumby]

One of the justifications given is that they are not frontline troops ,
but ASC troops will have to fight when engaged when running logistics , what will they do then .

Also the frontline formations don't even last for a few weeks when a high intensity war breaks out , these men at the rear will replace them with these substandard gear , and even if they magically provide them with decent gear they won't know how to use them (like optics ,nvgs etc) , as they were never exposed to them .

I think this the post you're referring to.....while he did made a compelling argument that there's some logic behind that....still I would say it's about the 1% rule, meaning if majority of the forces are upgraded upto today's standard and just the mere are left out which are used in this PR wok( which itself is another debacle, because this is PR for your forces we're talking about ) then the said can be accepted but everyone knows that's not the case for our forces .....so just abusing or using derogatory remarks to those who criticize without any sensible logic is not really a strong solution either.

 

[kaboom]

1.58 lakh helmets (mku to delivered 160k by end of 2024 , 10k tata ach delivered 50k remaining, rest idk )
1.86 lakh BPJ ( although the SMPP product can be debated upon , i would say it is pretty much useless)
70k sig716i + speculated 70k ( no optics etc )
670k ak 203 (pretty much stuck ) (again no talk about optics )
a no of ak mod kits from different firms .
16k negev LMG to replace INSAS and bren ( peanuts in comparison to the numbers needed)
1.15k sako trg sniper rifles on order ( deliveries started )

also no talk about NVGs , radios , ear protection

Also i think there is a problem with the distribution of these new equipment between different units , this leads to some horrendous differences in gear .

also to add
one of the most important contact both for general infantry for urban ops and very important for SF
4,25,213 5.56 x 45mm CQB Carbine
till now a no of firms have offered but no orders till now . Caracal is the best option and they are even ready for indigenous production , but still this contact has not moved a bit .

A part of this tender is meant to replace the aging tavors and overused M4 sopmod block1s , this is a very important tender to bring about a much needed change in army SFs arsenal .

 

[STORE 2.0]

 

[patriots]

T55 in action

https://x.com/Def_tac_ops/status/1787218886833647669

 

[mist_consecutive]

 

[Mangal]

1.58 lakh helmets (mku to delivered 160k by end of 2024 , 10k tata ach delivered 50k remaining, rest idk )
1.86 lakh BPJ ( although the SMPP product can be debated upon , i would say it is pretty much useless)
70k sig716i + speculated 70k ( no optics etc )
670k ak 203 (pretty much stuck ) (again no talk about optics )
a no of ak mod kits from different firms .
16k negev LMG to replace INSAS and bren ( peanuts in comparison to the numbers needed)
1.15k sako trg sniper rifles on order ( deliveries started )

also no talk about NVGs , radios , ear protection

Also i think there is a problem with the distribution of these new equipment between different units , this leads to some horrendous differences in gear .

Sometimes I tend to think that Army itself doesn't wants to be equipped. It's an excuse that we are not ready and need six months or so to prepare. Blame it on politicians and every one will buy it. Go for emergency procurement at exorbitant costs for reasons best know to them.

 

[FalconSlayers]

AK-203i