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Then Sir, what is the big Circus about?
The special forces get to choose their own toys.

The reason is that SFF carries out covert ops and they cannot leave an "OFB" made parachute, on enemy soil, and give out the origin of the troops who have carried out the operations.

The OFB makes all types of parachutes and the SFF can use them, but for the reasons above they cannot use OFB stuff.
 

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Do we still need to import parachutes?

If this is the case then the entire staff of DRDO needs to be lined up and shot.. Disgraceful state of affairs and then we talk aboult making LCA, Arjun, K 15 blah blah blah blah.............
My point exactly. Apparently, they are tying up with the railways to make toilets.

Pathetic!

Ok, now back to my senses, no I don't think they should be shot.

No, we produce them at Ordnance Parachute Factory.

We export them too!
This is a saving grace.
 

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My point exactly. Apparently, they are tying up with the railways to make toilets.

Pathetic!
Still trying to make unnecessary statements? Is it so important to let any opportunity go, in spite of presented with facts many times?
 

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Still trying to make unnecessary statements? Is it so important to let any opportunity go, in spite of presented with facts many times?
I think it is necessary to highlight that DRDO has its priorities messed up. Why does it bother you so much whenever DRDO is criticised?

Why are you taking it personally? I am criticising DRDO, and they deserve it. They need to get their act together.
 

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I think it is necessary to highlight that DRDO has its priorities messed up. Why does it bother you so much whenever DRDO is criticised?

Why are you taking it personally? I am criticising DRDO, and they deserve it. They need to get their act together.
Nothing personal here, you are criticizing for wrong reasons, it is you who is taking it personally.

DRDO has developed the chutes, it is just foreign maal and kick backs which is stopping the purchase: DRDO develops advanced stealth parachutes | mydigitalfc.com
 

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Nothing personal here, you are criticizing for wrong reasons, it is you who is taking it personally.

DRDO has developed the chutes, it is just foreign maal and kick backs which is stopping the purchase: DRDO develops advanced stealth parachutes | mydigitalfc.com
Thanks for informing me. Frankly, DRDO gets full credits from me, because parachutes are defence requirements.

Now the question is, why are we still importing parachutes? (Not criticising DRDO here.)

P.S.: I will share later some of the things happening in DRDO and other Defense Laboratories. There are many good people there, but there is also a lot of nonsense going on in some places. This is not the relevant thread, so I won't go into the details.
 

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Thanks for informing me. Frankly, DRDO gets full credits from me, because parachutes are defence requirements.

Now the question is, why are we still importing parachutes? (Not criticising DRDO here.)

P.S.: I will share later some of the things happening in DRDO and other Defense Laboratories. There are many good people there, but there is also a lot of nonsense going on in some places. This is not the relevant thread, so I won't go into the details.
Sir ji check what lemontree has posted above, mostly they don;t want to leave any traces hence the need for outside purchase.
Sir, will be waiting for the updates eagrly :D
 

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Sir ji check what lemontree has posted above, mostly they don;t want to leave any traces hence the need for outside purchase.
Sir, will be waiting for the updates eagrly :D
I see, for covert operations. Makes sense.

Will do when I free up a bit. Just a heads up, I will begin with NAL.
 

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The special forces get to choose their own toys.

The reason is that SFF carries out covert ops and they cannot leave an "OFB" made parachute, on enemy soil, and give out the origin of the troops who have carried out the operations.

The OFB makes all types of parachutes and the SFF can use them, but for the reasons above they cannot use OFB stuff.
Why should they put 'MADE BY OFB' in parachutes ?

If the special forces want parachutes without name tags OFB can very well make it.
Question is, are the parachutes made by OFB not good enough ?
 

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Special Forces also require HAHO and HALO parachutes.

I think that this is not manufactured in India.

Let us see how Special Forces can operate so that we can understand the parachute requirement.

High-Altitude Airdrop Missions [HAAMS]
High Altitude-Low Opening (HALO)
High Altitude-High Opening (HAHO)

High-Altitude Airdrop Missions [HAAMS] for special assignment airlift missions [SAAMS], often top-secret and clandestine affairs, carry elite troops from every branch of the service - Army Rangers and special forces, Marine recon forces, Navy SEAL teams and Air Force special tactics units. Jumpers from by all services parachute at altitudes up to 35,000 feet with all of the accompanying hazards. High glide ratio parachutes (HGRP) utilize high altitude-low opening (HALO) and high altitude-high opening (HAHO) techniques during day and night operations and under all weather conditions.

The HALO techniques are used for missions to prevent detection of the aircraft and the jumpers. Extreme accuracy is required since the parachutes are deployed at a low altitude. HALO involves paratroopers jumping at around 25,000 feet and freefalling down to 3,500 feet. Plummeting at a terminal velocity of 126 mph, parachutists can descend this distance within two minutes. A HALO jump gets the jumper out of sight in a hurry, and they are less vulnerable to dangers. A drawback to this technique is that the jumpers must exit the aircraft over, or close to, enemy territory, thus making the aircraft a potential target for enemy surface-to-air or air-to-air defenses.

The HAHO techniques are used for missions which require minimal detection of the aircraft under conditions which restrict the aircraft from penetrating a certain area, such as the border of a country. The jumpers will deploy the parachutes at very high altitudes which allow them to glide a considerable horizontal distance with a low probability of detection. Jumpers are consequently exposed to hypoxia and cold temperatures for extended periods. A HAHO is a high-altitude, high-opening jump used for long-range insertion. During high-altitude, high-opening missions both exit and deployment altitudes are high, and a special parachute lets them maneuver more than 50 kilometers as they quietly float into an area. HAHO allows the jump aircraft to deliver its cargo from a significant standoff range, thereby reducing the odds of enemy detection and increasing the survivability of the aircraft and the parachutists. The higher the parachute-opening altitude and the flatter the glide slope of the parachute, the greater the standoff distance attainable. Paratroopers hop and pop their 'chutes immediately, which is potentially a riskier maneuver because jumpers are exposed to altitude and the enemy for a longer period. The opening shock is also traumatic. It gives quite a jolt. Jumpers are sore for a few days after a HAHO.

Given the same size parachutes, a heavier parachutist will descend more rapidly than a lighter one. This variable rate of descent is not a problem in low-altitude airborne work; military parachutists traditionally carry their individual combat gear with little regard for weight considerations. However, that approach doesn't work in HAHO operations. Because a HAHO team may travel more than 40 miles under their canopies, a common rate of descent is a critical factor in keeping the team together. To ensure the glide slopes are as uniform as possible, the team's gear is carefully apportioned so that all the team members weigh about the same - heavier troops jump with lighter equipment containers; lighter troops jump with heavier containers. The team's equipment can be redistributed into operational loads after landing.

The most hectic time is from the two-minute warning until the jump. The team is switching over to their oxygen bottles, and you're double- and triple-checking equipment, connections and bottle pressure and watching for symptoms and signs of hypoxia.

The two greatest hazards they must contend with on high-altitude airdrop missions, HAAMS for short, are hypoxia and decompression sickness. Decompression sickness, or the bends, occurs when nitrogen bubbles form in the blood and tissues after a rapid reduction in surrounding pressure. It's manifested by pain in the joints, and is potentially lethal.

Hypoxia is a major concern during both techniques; there is one documented fatality associated with a high altitude jump. Oxygen deprivation causes hypoxia, and its symptoms include dizziness, giddiness, a tingling sensation, euphoria, blurred or tunnel vision, lack of muscle coordination, and slow reaction time. To compensate for the body's craving for oxygen, the heart and breathing rate increases. Hypoxia affects people uniquely, and its symptoms will change with age and lifestyle. That's why all aircrew members are required to go through the altitude chamber regularly. At 10,000 feet, subtle changes take place in the body and these multiply as you go higher. At 35,000 feet, you'll have between 30 to 60 seconds of useful consciousness without supplemental oxygen. Ultimately, this leads to death.

Special Operations Forces regulations define the requirements for safe operation and mission completion. For day operations, supplemental oxygen must be used by all parachutists above 10,000 feet MSL in the aircraft if exposure exceeds 30 minutes. Oxygen is supplied either by inline oxygen or from portable cylinders. If there are extremes in temperature or physical exertion, the jump master can recommend supplemental oxygen at 5,000 feet MSL. Supplemental oxygen is used during the parachute descent for any jump above 13,000 feet MSL, and can be an option for jumps initiating below 13,000 feet MSL. For night operations, supplemental oxygen is required in the aircraft for all parachutists above 10,000 feet MSL while flying to the drop zone and is encouraged for altitudes above 5,000 feet MSL at the discretion of the jumpmaster. The HALO operations may be performed below 13,000 feet MSL once the parachutist has left the aircraft. The HAHO operations above 10,000 feet MSL must be performed with supplemental oxygen both in the aircraft and under the parachute canopy. Aircraft oxygen delivery systems must be capable of delivering 100 percent oxygen and supplemental oxygen settings with a mask which conforms to physiologic PRICE check procedures. Parachute canopy oxygen delivery systems such as a simple oxygen cylinder and mask must maintain the jumper's oxygen hemoglobin saturation greater than 92 percent.

The cold is another factor jumpers must contend with. For every 1,000 feet you ascend, you lose 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit in temperature. In those conditions, knowing the wind-chill factor (a function of ambient temperature and wind speed) is important. A parachutist must have manual dexterity for a few minutes before exiting the aircraft to properly adjust the equipment, and immediately after exiting to manipulate the parachute. The parachutists' hands would become extremely cold unless over-gloves are pulled on.

Any time a military flight drops personnel or cargo at altitudes above 18,000 feet, specially trained aerospace physiology technician, nicknamed PTs, must fly on board. These technicians, who are experts in the field of human performance and the effects of flight on the body, monitor the aircrew and parachutists looking for signs of impairment caused by altitude. A physiology tech's most critical duty is recognizing and treating those taken ill by the altitude. They administer to the sick until relieved by a flight surgeon.

In 1995, PTs flew 550 sorties aboard aircraft, including the C-17, C-130, C-141, C-5 and others. They launched from 114 locales, including Pakistan, Australia, Indonesia, Korea, Italy and airfields throughout the United States. Because of the high demand for qualified PTs, the 1st AS is augmented by aerospace PT units at Shaw AFB, S.C.; Little Rock AFB, Ark.; Andrews AFB, Md.; Fairchild AFB, Wash.; Edwards AFB, Calif.; and Kadena Air Base, Japan.

The PT works hand-in-hand with the aircraft commander and jumpmaster. They brief aircrews and parachutists on the hazards of high-altitude operations, and act as an inflight oxygen equipment and physiological consultant. Physiology technicians also repair the oxygen equipment, which include pre-breathing consoles and oxygen bottles strapped to the paratroopers. All receive training from equipment manufacturers so they can troubleshoot and repair malfunctions on the spot.

They regulate the ascent to altitude, directing all on board to "pre-breathe" 100 percent oxygen from a console for a half-hour while holding the aircraft below 10,000 feet. This interval isn't to catch a breather, but to purge nitrogen from the bloodstream, eliminating 90 percent of the cases of decompression sickness. The squadron's aerospace physiology techs, who average six to seven years worth of experience, know Boyle's Law of Gases inside and out. It's one of the basic principles, physics-wise, used to calculate how elevation affects solids, liquids and, most importantly in this instance, gases. It states that PV=k. Pressure and volume are inversely proportional so that when you decrease pressure, volume increases.
High-Altitude Airdrop Missions [HAAMS] High Altitude-Low Opening (HALO) and High Altitude-High Opening (HAHO)
 
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Some more issues.

Parachuting into heavy fog, dense cloud cover, rain or snow may not be everybody's idea of fun, but it's much better than clear blue sky when Special Operation Forces wish to insert themselves into unfriendly places without being seen. This infiltration technique is called High Altitude High Opening (HAHO) and the only problem is that if there are no visual cues available, you can land a long way from where you're supposed to be. This can be further exacerbated if there are several parachutists in the group. Accordingly, the Natick Soldier Center's (NSC) Airdrop Technology Team is currently evaluating three prototype Military Free Fall (MFF) navigation systems to safely, accurately and covertly insert forces into hostile environments.

The new systems will enable Special Ops to parachute from high in the sky toward their intended infiltration point aided by a navigation system in a similar manner to the way pilots rely on their instruments to guide their aircraft when visibility is limited.

Jumping from altitudes of 25,000 feet or higher, they can steer their Ram Air parachutes to pre-selected impact points even after exiting the aircraft from miles away in miserable weather.

"The best conditions are the worst conditions," said Daniel Shedd, project officer for the MFF Navigation System. "Ideally, you don't want to see the ground until just prior to landing, because (the enemy) can see you."

While precision airdrop programs at the Airdrop/Aerial Delivery Directorate at Natick are working on ways to accurately deliver cargo to a planned drop zone, the MFF navigation system guides warfighters flying under canopy. In both cases, the intent is to minimize exposure of Air Force aircraft and their crews to enemy threats.

"We just want to get them close. Once they are on final approach within a kilometer, they should be able to identify their target," Shedd said. "The Global Positioning System (GPS) is accurate to within about 10 meters, but unfortunately the altitude is not yet accurate enough considering the timing necessary of the canopy flair maneuver, which slows the forward speed and vertical descent rate for a soft and safe landing."

Primitive attempts

He said HAHO operations are not commonly considered because commanders don't have enough confidence to risk failure of the larger mission and possible loss of life.

Bad winds, missed release points, inaccurate release altitudes and human directional errors frequently result in missed targets. Adequate training is another concern because of airspace restrictions, aircraft limitations and logistics involved in operating in such a hazardous environment.

These infiltrations, when successfully performed, are ideal for small units requiring the highest level of security, he said.

When coupled with precision bundle capabilities and future improved personnel parachute systems, large amounts of equipment and vehicles will be able to be inserted with the unit, greatly increasing its mission capabilities.

"When the opportunity arises to train for this type of infiltration technique, the jumpers need the best tools available to ensure success and demonstrate the viability of the mission," Shedd said.

The user-community has long sought this type of capability but has had no choice but to purchase their own handheld GPS units and attempt to mount them in places where they could be useful.

GPS-based airborne guidance units mounted on the chest or wrist were primitive attempts to navigate from under canopy, said Shedd, but the problem is that they are too difficult to view while wearing all the necessary equipment for high-altitude jumps, such as oxygen masks.

Started two years ago and funded by Special Operations Command's Special Operations Special Technology, Shedd said the project has gained significant momentum, in addition to the participation of all of the Special Operations services.

Systems now in development consist of a Gentex high-altitude parachutist helmet with a heads-up display, a processor unit and GPS. A laptop-based or Personal Digital Assistant (PDA) mission planner along with a map overlay, alternative target designation features and predicted release cones based on wind estimates entered into the computer before the jump are all options being evaluated.

The Marine Corps, engineers from the Navy's Coastal Systems Station in Panama City, Fla., and the NSC have produced a prototype scheduled for fielding in 2006.

It will give Marine Corps Special Operators the first MFF navigation aid to work with until an upgraded system is available, according to Shedd.

"These guys are really excited. I have no shortage of people who want to know more and eventually try it," Shedd said, who has tested the systems as an airborne-qualified civilian employee. "Experience has shown that jumpers need a couple of jumps just to get used to it, but once they do, they all become believers."

From altitudes as high as 35,000 feet, the system must function at minus 35 degrees F and for as long as a 20-mile offset in calm winds with MC-4 or MC-5 parachute systems. Offsets of 3-1, which is a ratio of 3 feet of forward motion for every 1 foot of descent, will increase to 5-1 or 6-1 with a future canopy, and help to provide extra protection to aircraft, according to Shedd.

Multi-mission capable

Future real-time wind information will be delivered to the mission planning computer by the Joint Precision Aerial Delivery System (JPADS) for cargo delivery, a current Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration program also being managed by NSC. This will further enhance mission accuracy since inaccurate winds are the most significant contributor to missed targets, Shedd said.

The Marine Corps system integrates a GPS wired to a tiny TV-like display mounted to one side of the goggle. Shedd said the system is assembled with commercial components, and the technology is relatively mature, but there is limited follow-on capability, the display is obtrusive and the helmet is of little use on the ground.

Another prototype, developed by European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. for German Special Forces, uses a handheld GPS with airborne guidance wired to the helmet display.

A display driver and antenna integrated into the helmet are fine, but the liquid crystal display begins to fail at high altitudes due to the low temperatures, and the cables restrict movement and are sensitive to damage, according to Shedd.

On the upside, he said the mission planning software is "fantastic." It knows how to fly the mission and determine the approach, making 3-D adjustments from the sky. Also, its GPS can be used on the ground.

Shedd said the next-generation prototype should be ready within the next six months.

The eventual goal is to carry a PDA containing mission-planning software and an encrypted GPS in the rucksack that wirelessly communicates to a heads-up display.

The display is expected to be unaffected by low temperature, legible in bright light and attached to a ballistic helmet instead of a parachutist helmet.

It is hoped that the navigation aid will become the base for an electronics package that will be considered multi-mission capable, which streamlines many computer-based capabilities now expected of Special Operations, such as calling in close air support, and enabling many communications functions, according to Shedd.

"The system must be reliable and easy to use, and programming should not overly burden planning of the long-term mission," he said. "We have to keep in mind that HAHO jumps are just a way of getting Special Operations Forces to the job."

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Same as HAHO.

I am not against DRDO, but then they do act a wee bit smart by repacking stuff and calling it their 'discovery' or invention!

And what is worse they have huge budgets and then when it is not ready, they get another huge handout with huge cost overruns and finally produce something!

Take the SLR for instance, INSAS or even Arjun! Patch up job.

Or even the Biodigesters.
 
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Special Forces also require HAHO and HALO parachutes.

I think that this is not manufactured in India.

Let us see how Special Forces can operate so that we can understand the parachute requirement.
Sir,
OFB is making all types of parachutes - right from tactical parachutes that can open 500 mtrs to the HAHO ram air types.
 

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Sir,
OFB is making all types of parachutes - right from tactical parachutes that can open 500 mtrs to the HAHO ram air types.
I wouldn't know.

I will try to contact a Maj Gen from my unit who went to DGI and was in Kanpur and find out.

I have been involved with HAHO and HALO training with the US Special Forces long back! They were using US parachutes then!
 

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I just spoke to a retired Lt Gen who is a Paratrooper and he said that OFB is manufacturing HAHO and HALO parachutes in India!
 

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Yes DRDO is lemon, we have to import only there is no saving. What ever DRDO has done till now is crap. There is no ending of space for different animals from different countries in our armed forces zoo. Close everything, let's import.
 
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