Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Oracle]

Already posted in Indian Navy sticky thread.

 

[bhramos]

exact details and video

Submarines collide, lucky escape for sailors

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Submarines-collide-in-Naval-jetty/articleshow/6124959.cms

It happened while parallel berthing of the Submarines in Mumbai Naval Dock Yard.

 

[bhramos]

Submarines collide, lucky escape for sailors - India

 

[nitesh]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Navy-to-buy-submarine-mine-laying-equipment/H1-Article1-567170.aspx
Navy to buy submarine mine laying equipment

The Navy is planning to buy Submarine Mine Laying Equipment (SMILE) to augment existing capabilities of its conventional fleet. The SMILE, according to the RFI, should be capable of laying 24 ground mines and withstand maximum underwater speeds of the submarine. The basic design of the SMILE should comprise components and sub-systems such as two independent magazines capable of housing at least 12 mines each.

 

[Maverick007]

I agree that we should not tell people where the secret sub base, subs by their very nature are meant to be mysterious, why announce to all and sundry that our new sub base is around 200km from vizag, i think that that sub base location should only be for the higher echelons of the defence forces to know and for us in the public forums to imagine, nuff said

 

[tarunraju]

Why announce to all and sundry that our new sub base is around 200km from vizag

Because attempting to keep it a secret is futile. It takes virtually no time for our potential adversaries to pinpoint it. On the other hand, mentioning that it's close to Vizag tells that the pen is at the mid-point of the east-coast (acts as a deterrent).

 

[nitesh]

Indigenous AIP Submarine in 4-5 yrs

 

[ironman]

Aerostats are Coming..

 

[Rajputana]

Wake Up India !!!!!!

Every one Must see that: :angry_1::angry_1::emot100::emot100:

 

[Neil]

Navy hunts for drones to operate underwater

NEW DELHI: With the Indian armed forces inducting a large number of spy drones and "killer" UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) since the 1999 Kargil conflict, the hunt has now been launched for drones to operate underwater as well.

The Navy has invited proposals from both state-owned and private companies to acquire at least 10 AUVs (autonomous underwater vehicles), which are non-tethered robotic devices driven through water by propulsion systems that are controlled and piloted by onboard computers.

AUVs can be used for MCM (mine counter-measures) operations, oceanographic surveys and specialised mapping, among other tasks. Advanced AUVs can even be deployed to keep under surveillance protected areas like harbours as well as aid in detection of enemy submarines.

"Apart from being manoeuvrable in three dimensions, the AUVs should be able to carry variable payloads such as high-definition sonars and underwater cameras for surveillance and reconnaissance activities of the seabed," said a Navy official.

"Capable of being launched from small vessels with a maximum weight of 1.5-tonne, the AUVs should be able to operate at depths up to 500 metre for 7-8 hours," he added.

The move comes at a time when the Army is also looking for combat drones, or UCAVs (unmanned combat aerial vehicles), drawing lessons from the deadly use of US `Predators' and `Reapers' against the Taliban in the Af-Pak region. Unlike killer UAVs, which hit their targets and perish with their missions, UCAVs are like fighter jets because they return to their bases to re-arm themselves with more missiles for the next mission.

http://www.bharatrakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=13151

 

[Neil]

$11 billion second line of submarines for Indian Navy to boost private sector

14 Jul 2010 8ak: On 26 Sep 2008 a Pakistani shipyard successfully launched the first Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) submarine in the Indian Ocean, the third of its Khalid Class - Agosta 90B submarines. China meanwhile has 62 submarines of which 10 are nuclear powered.

At the same time, NDTV reports that India will be left with only 9 old submarines by 2012 as two Russian foxtrots will be decommissioned by next year. So on 6 Jul 2010 when Indian Defence Minister A. K. Antony approved a second line of submarines - Project 75(I) to be constructed in India at a cost of 50,000 crore (US$11 billion), it came as a good surprise, doubly so because it is expected to boost private sector contribution in naval projects. In this regard, Manu Sood, Editor 8ak interviewed Maj Gen (retd) Bhupinder Yadav, who heads a small group of retired ex-servicemen in a Defence and Aerospace consulting company Q-tech Synergy.

8ak: How many submarines does the Indian Navy plan to have?

Yadav: The Indian Navy proposes to have a mix of twenty-four nuclear and conventional submarines of the SSK type. With 6 Scorpene and a further 6 Project-75(I) , the remaining 12 subs will be of an indigenous design.

The Indian navy is also planning to build micro-submarines for its strategic operations. An RFP was issued in Nov 2009 to Indian shipyards including Hindustan Shipyards Limited, ABG and Pipavav shipyards, Larsen & Toubro and state-owned Mazagon Docks Limited (MDL). Indian Navy is planning to get five of these vessels at a cost of about $80 million but the inductions can be doubled later on.

8ak: Why is the price almost US$2 billion per submarine whereas strategypage reports US$350 for an AIP submarine?

Yadav: The 2005, Scorpene diesel submarines deal was signed, with an option for 6 more and extensive technology transfer agreements was reported as being in excess of $4 billion. The Proj 75(I) is a Rs 50,000 crore ($10.7 bn) project for building six vessels. These will be new submarine and not the Scorpene and will be a bigger submarine with specific features with key differentiator being a new class of missiles, having some features from the HDW Type 214, the Russian Amur class, the Italian Fincantieri S-1000 in collaboration with Rubin of Russia. The extra cost could be for the new design that will allow the incorporation of future technologies, stealth features, missiles, transfer of technology, Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) and land attack capabilities.

8ak: Why did India not go in for a nuclear submarine instead of diesel electric?

Yadav: The utility of conventional diesel-electric submarines with the introduction of AIP (air-independent propulsion) systems like the French company DCNS' MESMA (Module d'Energie Sous-Marine Autonome) and German fuel cells, even the durations they can stay underwater can be increased substantially. They also have the added advantages of being smaller and cheaper than nuclear submarines. Another reason could have been the recent accident on Submarines both in Russia and India.

(8ak note: For a detailed note on the difference between SSK and SSNs (nuclear) read here.)

8ak: Why are others like Fincanteri, BAE Systems and US manufacturers not in the deal?

Yadav: RFI was sent to French DCNS, Spanish Navantia, Russian Rubin, Italy's Fincantieri and German HDW (now owned by Thyssenkrup). Great Britain and America only build nuclear submarines and not diesel electric.

8ak: The RFI was written up a couple of years ago, so why the delay?

Yadav: RFI was issued on 27 October 2008 for six diesel-electric attack submarines to be built in Indian shipyard, public or private, with special emphasis on full transfer of technology. The subs were to be equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) boosting their operational capabilities to have high degree of stealth, land-attack capability and ability to incorporate futuristic technologies. Since this will be a new type of submarine, the details and processing of project of this size does take time. Beside 3 reasons which delayed the project.

* Some stray thought why not go for nuclear submarines, which has its own advantage and disadvantages such as vastly improved range and speeds, but are noisy hence no stealthy operations.
* Time was also wasted on Pull and Push for this crucial programme by the public or private sector. Navy pressing to opt for a shipyard other than the Mazagon Docks, which has its hands full and has been delaying most of the projects.
* Some friendly countries have been trying to put pressure that the additional submarine be procured from them. Hence the delay in RFP.

8ak: Why is the Indian private sector so enthusiastic about this announcement?

Yadav: Public sector shipyards like Mazgaon dock running at full capacity and behind schedule. L&T's excellent performance in the construction of the nuclear submarine and smaller submarine projects has given the Navy and the ministries the confidence in the private sector's ability to deliver quality vessels, systems and on deliver as per schedule. Minimum of one submarine will be built at a private shipyard and a some sub-systems will be supplied by the private sector boosting indigenous capabilities

http://www.bharatrakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=13162

 

[nandu]

SAP bags contract from Indian Navy

Enterprise IT solutions provider SAP today said it has bagged a turnkey project from the Indian Navy for implementing an online financial information system.

"SAP has secured the contract through system integrator Wipro and will help the Indian Navy in unifying its business processes and automate financial systems," SAP Chief Operating Officer (EMEA and India) Franck Cohen told reporters here.

He, however, declined to divulge the project value.

"Our solution will help the Indian Navy lower overall maintenance costs, improve management decision-making and resource management, therefore enhancing combat-readiness," he said.

"The government vertical is very important for SAP's business in India. There are a lot of opportunities in this space and we continue to explore them," he said.

The US-based company is already working with public sector units like BSNL, ONGC and HPCL.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/sap-bags-contractindian-navy/101597/on

 

[EagleOne]

Indian Navy in mad spree to buy arms
http://e.thenews.com.pk/tp_details.asp?id=30101

 

[youngindian]

Indian Navy Request for Information (RFI) for two Diving Support Vessels (DSV) capable of handling a Deep Submergence Rescue Vessel (DSRV).


http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del316040&wno=1&td=TD

 

[171K]

Oldish news, article regarding pros & cons of India purchasing a new AC from Gt.Britian.

"65,000 Tonnes Of Ambition"

http://http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C4B20EF703EDFF/

 

[Crusader53]

Oldish news, article regarding pros & cons of India purchasing a new AC from Gt.Britian.

"65,000 Tonnes Of Ambition"

http://http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C4B20EF703EDFF/

Personally, I think the India should adopt the CVF Design and build it in India. Clearly, the best short-term solution. Otherwise, expect the IAC-2 to be a 15-20 years off...............

 

[youngindian]

China has responded faster than India on water


http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/jul/20/slide-show-1-china-has-responded-faster-than-india.htm


C Raja Mohan, Strategic Affairs Editor with the Indian Express, in a three-part series analyses the unfolding geopolitical change in the Indian Ocean and details the challenges that it poses for India's foreign and security policies.

 

[RAM]

Warship designing centre proposed at Chaliyam-kerala

Kozhikode: The Union Ministry of Defence is considering a highly ambitious proposal to set up a warship designing centre at Chaliyam, near Beypore, in the district.Around 50 acres of waterfront land, which the State government had taken over from a defunct petroleum company a few years ago, has already been identified by the district administration for defence acquisition. The multi-crore project is a fructification of talks held between Industries Minister Elamaram Karim and Defence Minister A.K. Antony last year.

A senior government functionary told The Hindu here on Saturday that officials of the Mumbai-based Mazagon Dock Limited, a government of India undertaking engaged in manufacturing of warships and submarines for the Indian Navy and patrol boats, had evinced interest in the project. Besides, Goa Shipyard Limited, under the administrative control of the Defence Ministry, and also known for building ships and patrol vessels had expressed willingness for the project.
Another public sector company, Cochin Shipyard Limited, currently entrusted with the construction of the indigenous aircraft carrier project for the Indian Navy, had also given a positive signal for such a designing centre proposed at Chaliyam. The project was still in its infancy and modalities would have to be worked out later, he said.
Earlier, multiple agencies attached to both the State government and more especially the departments of the Centre had conveyed to the district administration for establishing new projects at the proposed site. Even the Union Ministry of Human Resources Development had desired to set up a Kendriya Vidyalaya. But in the forefront was the Indian Coast Guard for setting up a state-of-the-art training academy for its personnel.
In fact, the Beypore Station commanding officer G.K.P. Sreekumar had sent a detailed report after carrying out a survey of the land for the project in April. Top officials, including Director-General of Coast Guard Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, had visited the waterfront site. Now that project would have to be shelved. Anyway the land would be allotted exclusively for the use of the Defence Ministry, sources said.A spokesman said the training academy for Coast Guard personnel would now be considered either in Gujarat or Goa where abundant and suitable land was available.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/20/stories/2010072055110500.htm

 

[nitesh]

CSL's terms put Navy off joint dry dock project

 

[EagleOne]

India, Britain begin submarine naval exercise Wednesday

A two-day submarine exercise between the British Royal Navy and the Indian Navy will begin off India's west coast from Wednesday.
HMS Talent, a Trafalgar class hunter killer submarine, of the Royal Navy will take part in the three-day exercise with a Shishumar class submarine of the Indian Navy, Navy spokesperson Commander P.V.S. Satish said.
Meanwhile, the India-UK naval table-top exercise continued for the second day at the Mumbai port.
The seventh edition of the Konkan series of the exercise began Monday.
The Konkan 2010 is being conducted as a table-top exercise at the tactical simulator located at Maritime Warfare Centre in Mumbai.
A table-top exercise is one without actual participation of ships, but with participation of planning staff of both countries.
The aim of this exercise is to exchange operational planning concepts, maritime domain awareness procedures and to test these plans through simulations of a maritime scenario at sea.
Experiences from this exercise will be utilised to refine concepts for future Konkan series of exercises involving ships, submarines and aircraft.
The nine-member Royal Navy team is headed by Commodore James Morse, and the Indian team of 11 officers is headed by Captain M.A. Hampiholi, commanding officer INS Talwar.
The first Konkan exercise was conducted in April 2004 at Chennai, followed by exercises in 2006, 2008 and 2009.
Konkan 2007 was also a table-top exercise conducted at the Royal Navy's Maritime Warfare Centre at Portsmouth, UK.
In 2009, Konkan was conducted off the southern coast of Britain during the deployment of Indian ships to the Mediterranean Sea and North Atlantic Ocean.
The Konkan series of exercises is a part of the continuing and growing constructive engagement process between the two navies, the spokesperson said.

http://www.indiatalkies.com/2010/07/india-britain-submarine-naval-exercise-wednesday.html