Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Dark Sorrow]

Green paint somewhere inside the ship.

I didn't know Pakistan manufactured paint for ships.
Who these so called paint manufactures sell their paint to?

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Why are Pakis going GaGa over their new frigate, just has 4 Ashm. As if they have taken hold of mythical Jinn missile. When p15b first sea pics released we were like-

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Can anyone make a detailed analysis of sensors, weapons and systems planned or being developed which can be used in our future warships such as NGD, NGF & NGC.
Interestingly on naval radars not much progress has been made, no hint anywhere of a 4-face AESA being developed. Also air volume search radar like RAWL and in future LANZA also does not seems to be on card. Only surface search radars are indigenous, also fcr radars for targetting of ciws and naval guns are again of foreign origin.On EW, ESM, comms and EO systems we appear to be self sufficient.
SONAR systems have been an excellent area where we won't need anything of any kind from outside. Also TORPEDOS for atleast indian made vessels and helis will also be Indian in future. Both of these are thanks to great work by NSTL & NPOL.
VLS system is also an issue, though an Indian VLS capable of launching all indigenous missiles seems to be in development as per drdo chief. A vls capable of launching both huge missiles like brahmos and vlsrsam/lrsam(even if quadpacked) seems to be a waste of space, instead 2 size vls concept for less than 600mm dia missiles and more than 600mm dia missiles makes sense, what will be the approach of DRDO remains to be seen. Not stating the fact that no purely indigenous missile is service on-board, both brahmos and lrsam are JVs.
Weapon systems for such an vls would require to be newly deigned on which there is no update, doubting that if work is even going on in this regard. Will require naval XRSAM, vl-asroc like missile, BMD missile, vl-ashm perhaps brahmos-ng or vl-nasm, lrlacm and its variants, naval launched ballistic Ashm and other upcoming new kind of naval weapons. Such a large number of systems will perhaps take atleast a decade to design,test and start deploying. Such systems by 2030 therefore seems far fetched.
Combat management systems and decoys both air and sea are indigenous with the exception of active anti air threat decoy. Hard kill torpbuster is in development.

Unpopular opinion but lack of such critical systems especially in radars and weapons seems that NGD/NGF or P18 to be behind even current top destroyers like type 55, aleigh Burke flt3, sejong the great and atago/maya class.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

And why does IN major ships have beam of ~17.5m whereas every major surface combatant of any western, USA, chinese, korean and japanese(major navies) have a beam of ~20m, there must be a reason for it for them to adopt 20m beam.
That's sus if you ask me..

 

[swapcv]

And why does IN major ships have beam of ~17.5m whereas every major surface combatant of any western, USA, chinese, korean and japanese(major navies) have a beam of ~20m, there must be a reason for it for them to adopt 20m beam.
That's sus if you ask me..View attachment 118615

Not much relevant as even with a narrower beam, our ships have good seakeeping in rough sea states and the hulls seem adequate enough to take on more weaponry in future refits. Tbh, more than dimensions as it would be in the past, today's ships are better judged by how much weaponry they pack. If lethality isn't adequate, you're gonna end up with ships that look like expensive oversized OPV's tbh. Case in point, the German F125 class Frigates.

 

[Gessler]

Can anyone make a detailed analysis of sensors, weapons and systems planned or being developed which can be used in our future warships such as NGD, NGF & NGC.
Interestingly on naval radars not much progress has been made, no hint anywhere of a 4-face AESA being developed. Also air volume search radar like RAWL and in future LANZA also does not seems to be on card. Only surface search radars are indigenous, also fcr radars for targetting of ciws and naval guns are again of foreign origin.On EW, ESM, comms and EO systems we appear to be self sufficient.
SONAR systems have been an excellent area where we won't need anything of any kind from outside. Also TORPEDOS for atleast indian made vessels and helis will also be Indian in future. Both of these are thanks to great work by NSTL & NPOL.
VLS system is also an issue, though an Indian VLS capable of launching all indigenous missiles seems to be in development as per drdo chief. A vls capable of launching both huge missiles like brahmos and vlsrsam/lrsam(even if quadpacked) seems to be a waste of space, instead 2 size vls concept for less than 600mm dia missiles and more than 600mm dia missiles makes sense, what will be the approach of DRDO remains to be seen. Not stating the fact that no purely indigenous missile is service on-board, both brahmos and lrsam are JVs.
Weapon systems for such an vls would require to be newly deigned on which there is no update, doubting that if work is even going on in this regard. Will require naval XRSAM, vl-asroc like missile, BMD missile, vl-ashm perhaps brahmos-ng or vl-nasm, lrlacm and its variants, naval launched ballistic Ashm and other upcoming new kind of naval weapons. Such a large number of systems will perhaps take atleast a decade to design,test and start deploying. Such systems by 2030 therefore seems far fetched.
Combat management systems and decoys both air and sea are indigenous with the exception of active anti air threat decoy. Hard kill torpbuster is in development.

Unpopular opinion but lack of such critical systems especially in radars and weapons seems that NGD/NGF or P18 to be behind even current top destroyers like type 55, aleigh Burke flt3, sejong the great and atago/maya class.

Already did:

 

[sorcerer]

Rossell Techsys to build EWIS parts for the MH-60R Platform


Bengaluru (Karnataka) [India], November 11 (ANI/BusinessWire India): Rossell Techsys has been awarded a contract with Lockheed Martin to build Electrical Wire Harness and Interconnect System (EWIS) parts in support of Lockheed Martin's MH-60R aircraft that are being supplied to the Indian Navy.

Rossell Techsys to build EWIS parts for the MH-60R Platform

Bengaluru (Karnataka) [India], November 11 (ANI/BusinessWire India): Rossell Techsys has been awarded a contract with Lockheed Martin to build Electrical Wire Harness and Interconnect System (EWIS) parts in support of Lockheed Martin's MH-60R aircraft that are being supplied to the Indian Navy.

www.aninews.in

 

[UnderFingy]

 

[ezsasa]

The green thing in the crest is a hill called “Dolphin’s nose”.

Black buck is new state animal of Andhra

Alarm bells ring for blackbuck, the pride of State

Its tendency to raid crops may attract reprisals from farmers, experts say

www.thehindu.com

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

The green thing in the crest is a hill called “Dolphin’s nose”.

View attachment 118968

Black buck is new state animal of Andhra

Alarm bells ring for blackbuck, the pride of State

Its tendency to raid crops may attract reprisals from farmers, experts say

www.thehindu.com

Is this the hill where INS Varsha is located?

 

[ezsasa]

Is this the hill where INS Varsha is located?

donno mate.

 

[Love Charger]

donno mate.

Good, that we don't know about it.

 

[Vamsi]

Is this the hill where INS Varsha is located?

No, I think INS varsha is 100km south of that

 

[UnderFingy]

What's this about?

 

[Super Flanker]

One thing I like about our Indian Navy is that they always give importantance to Indigenous Weopons and Products. Indian Navy is using "made in India" Destroyers ,Frigates , boats, Weopons in large quantity. They are not 100 percent Indigenised, but they are way ahead of Indian airforce and Army in terms of Indigenisation. Hope our other armed branches too do that. Good day

 

[gslv markIII]

Brahmos missile launchers(?) on an upgraded Delhi- Class destroyer. The location is Bombay dockyard.

The box launchers have a width of 2.3 m and an (inclined) length of 8.3 m.

Sadly the arm launchers are retained for some reason.

 

[Love Charger]

Brahmos missile launchers(?) on an upgraded Delhi- Class destroyer. The location is Bombay dockyard.

The box launchers have a width of 2.3 m and an (inclined) length of 8.3 m.

Sadly the arm launchers are retained for some reason.

View attachment 119290

How many broahmos will this ship Carry

 

[gslv markIII]

How many broahmos will this ship Carry

Looks like 8

 

[Love Charger]

Looks like 8

Bah , way too less

 

[gslv markIII]

Bah , way too less

It's Brahmos- that's enough.