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India inks Rs 262-crore deal with ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems

NEW DELHI: India has signed an over Rs 262 crore deal withGermany's ThyssenkKrupp Marine Systems to retrofit anti-ship American Harpoon missiles on two Shishumar Class submarines.

The retrofitting of the new weapon suite will be carried out on INS Shankush and INS Shalki at Naval Dockyard,Mumbaiand is backed by a training package to support and operate the system.

"It is a key milestone in our long-standing commitment towards India. We have the capacity to integrate any weapon system that is selected by the Indian Navy, onto our submarines," Gurnad Sodhi, Managing Director ofThyssenKruppMarine Systems' operations in India, said.

The company, which is also eyeing the over Rs 60,000 crore P75 project under which six conventional submarines are to be built in India, said it has successfully carried out such integration on similar boats for other navies across theworld.

Emphasising on the company's commitment towards India, Sodhi said ThyssenKrupp is also ready to integrate any weapon system, including 'Brahmos' on to the latest 214 Class Submarines for the upcoming project P75 project.

"We fully support the 'Make and Made in India' policy which would encompass inter-alia Transfer ofTechnology(ToT), training and meeting all offset obligations. We are awaiting the government's decision on the Strategic Partner chapter of the new DPP 2016, after which we will begin our negotiations with an Indian shipyard for the P75(I)", he added.

Cooperation between Indian Navy and ThyssenKrupp dates back to more than three decades. The existing HDW Class 209/1500 submarines have been performing well, without any inherent problems and the Indian navy has been satisfied with their performance, despite their vintage, the company said in a statement.

The US had in 2014 decided to sell anti-ship Harpoon missiles to India costing some USD 200 million to enhance India's defence capability and strengthen Indo-US strategic ties.

The entire package under the foreign military sale route includes a dozen odd UGM-84L Harpoon Block II Encapsulated Missiles, 10 UTM-84L Harpoon Encapsulated Training missiles, and two Encapsulated Harpoon certification training vehicles.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...krupp-marine-systems/articleshow/52990404.cms

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INS Tarasa (T94) - FOWJAC - launched at GRSE on 30th June 2016

Fairly advanced state of completion. We need to showcase this for large ships as well.



 

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HSL to get Rs 14K-crore work orders from Indian Navy
VISAKHAPATNAM: AFTER registereing a Rs 20-crore profit in the last fiscal, the Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL), the only shipyard in the country with a spacious covered dock, has bagged a huge work order from the Indian Navy. The Centre has decided to entrust the HSL with the works pertaining to five Fleet Support Ships (FSS) and two Landing Platform Docks (LPD), all worth Rs 14,000 crore. Decks have also been cleared for assigning the building of seven ships to the company on nomination basis.
According to sources, the work orders will be released /by the year-end and the HSL will remain busy with these projects till 2023. However, the Centre has informed the HSL management that there will not be any financial aid to execute the work orders.
It means the HSL has to generate funds by taking advances against the work orders to complete the task. The Indian Navy has already agreed to send one of its submarines INS Sindhuvir for refit works which is expected to begin in January next year.
“The Navy has decided to give us five Fleet Support Ships worth Rs 9,000 crore and two Landing Platform Docks worth Rs 5,000 crore. The five FSS building contract is on nomination basis. In fact, the Navy has decided to construct four LPDs and two of them through open tender system. While attending the ship building works, the HSL will continue its repair and refit works as usual,” says LV Sarat Babu, chairman and managing director.
After incurring financial losses for 35 years, the HSL came out of the red in the last fiscal by implementing several reforms in the yard.
 

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Guys I have a small query, I observed that in navy related topics its only capability of weaponry is discussed. Is it confidential and against rules to discuss technical topics about auxiliary machinery which power naval vessels? . Auxiliary machinery operations, difficulties faced overhauling them. The engines used to power them, safety features, boilers types used etc. why don't we include both merchant navy vs Navy machinery comparison in discussions.

Challenges Navy face in building hulls. How to train local ship welder to the standards, and how useful to take help from classification societies.

Topics like main engines, auxiliary machinery, boilers, emergency generators, fresh water generators, cooling systems, centrifuges or fuel purifiers.

Any body interested in such topics?
 

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Guys I have a small query, I observed that in navy related topics its only capability of weaponry is discussed. Is it confidential and against rules to discuss technical topics about auxiliary machinery which power naval vessels? . Auxiliary machinery operations, difficulties faced overhauling them. The engines used to power them, safety features, boilers types used etc. why don't we include both merchant navy vs Navy machinery comparison in discussions.

Challenges Navy face in building hulls. How to train local ship welder to the standards, and how useful to take help from classification societies.

Topics like main engines, auxiliary machinery, boilers, emergency generators, fresh water generators, cooling systems, centrifuges or fuel purifiers.

Any body interested in such topics?
I guess it's nothing to do with rules, mostly expertise , if you wish to start do start and let's check .. I'll try contributing info from my end

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Can anyone tell me specifications of LPDs which orders are given to HSL?
 

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India to Lease One More Akula-Class Nuclear Sub From Russian Navy
India agreed to lease the second Akula-class submarine from the Russian Navy, local media reported Tuesday citing a source in the military.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — In 2010, India began a 10-year lease of the nuclear-powered attack Akula-class submarine Nerpa. After joining India's Navy, the submarine was renamed to INS Chakra.
"India agreed to lease a project 971 submarine which will be withdrawn from the Russian Navy," the source told Kommersant newspaper.
Akula-class submarines feature very low acoustic signatures and can carry up to 12 submarine-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and a range of 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) in addition to anti-ship missiles and torpedoes.
 

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INS Viraat to go for a one final Journey at month end

New Delhi: INS Viraat, which is a Centaur-Class aircraft carrier in service with the Indian Navy, will be reportedly making its last journey on July 23.
According to sources, the aircraft carrier will be making the last journey of its service from Western Naval Command Head Quaters in Mumbai to Southern Naval Command in Cochin from July 23 to July 27.
INS Viraat was the flagship of the Indian Navy before INS Vikramaditya was commissioned in 2013.
Previously, INS Vikrant was scrapped by the government and was later used by a private automobile company to pay tribute to INS Vikraant by moulding its metal to give life to a new two-wheeler.
However, all the maritime states have proposed to the Ministry of Defence to acquire & preserve INS Viraat.
The new INS Vikrant, which is being currently built by Cochin Shipyard Carrier in Cochin, will be commissioned in 2018 in India. However, it will be operational in 2019.
This puts India in a slightly vulnerable position as the country will have only one aircraft carrier - INS Vikramaditya for next three years. For last few decades, India always had at least 2 aircraft carriers at any given time.
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Indian Navy Flies 15-Year-Old's Heart 200 Km To Save Kochi Woman
Story Highlights
  • Vishal was declared brain dead after being hit by a car.
  • Vishal's heart was airlifted from Thiruvananthapuram.
  • His kidneys were donated to 2 patients in Thiruvananthapuram.
Kochi: The heart of 15-year-old Vishal, who was declared brain-dead following a road accident, has given life to a 27-year-old woman suffering from a rare disease. The heart was transported from Thiruvananthapuram to Kochi by a Naval Air Ambulance today.
A team of doctors at Kochi's Lisie Hospital said that they have successfully transplanted the heart in Sandhya.
Vishal, a class 10 student, was declared brain dead on Monday after being hit by a car on Saturday. The driver surrendered later.
After his family's consent, Vishal's heart was airlifted from Thiruvananthapuram by an Indian Navy Dornier aircraft.
While Vishal's heart was brought to Kochi, his kidneys were donated to two patients at Thiruvananthapuram Medical College.
Kerala Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan intervened to arrange the Naval air ambulance to transport the organs to ensure that they reach the recipients in time.
Ernakulam District Collector MG Rajamanickyam on Monday forwarded a request to Headquarters, Southern Naval Command (HQSNC) for transportation of the harvested heart from Thiruvananthapuram to Kochi via air.
Accordingly, four doctors of Lisie Hospital were airlifted by an IN Dornier from INS Garuda to Thiruvananthapuram at 6.30 am today.
The medical team along with the harvested heart returned to INS Garuda, Kochi around 1 PM.
 

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DNA: Analysis of Indian Navy's INS Sindhukirti - Zee Media Exclusive
 
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Indian Navy to retain charge of Andaman Command

The move could be a precursor to larger changes, including the appointment of a new four-star officer who would be in charge of joint planning and operations.
NEW DELHI: In the first restructuring of top defence management by the Modi government, the Navy is believed to have got back permanent charge of the strategic Andaman Nicobar Command, a post that it earlier shared in rotation with the Air Force and Army.
The move could be a precursor to larger changes, including the appointment of a new four-star officer who would be in charge of joint planning and operations.

In the past, the Navy, Army and Air Force would appoint a commander at Andaman on a rotational basis, with each service getting a two year slot. At present, the Navy has this slot with its two year term coming to an end on July 31. Sources have told ET that Vice Admiral Bimal Verma, who is currently heading the Andaman command, will continue at the post despite the Navy's slot coming to an end. The officer was earlier scheduled to move out as the Chief of Integrated defence Staff (CISC), another post that the three services share.
Instead, an Army Lt Gen will be appointed as the new CISC in New Delhi but it is still not clear officer has been selected. Officials told ET the move suggests the Navy has got back permanent charge of the island command, which it has been itching for, given its largely maritime role. The command could have a second in command on rotation between the air force and army to give it a tri services flavor.
The position of the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff(CISC) could be upgraded to a four star level, , giving it adequate authority to take decision on joint procurement.
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India Constructs Special Dock to Build High-Capacity Aircraft Carriers
The new dock will not only serve a military purpose, but will also play an important role in fulfilling India's energy requirements.
NEW DELHI (Sputnik) — India is constructing a special dock for high-capacityaircraft carriers at the existing premises of Cochin Shipyard Limited. According to official sources, the new dry dock will cost an estimated $270 million.
"The objective is to augment the shipbuilding/ship repair capacity essentially required to tap the market potential by building specialized and technologically advanced large vessels such as liquefied natural gas (LNG) vessels, higher-capacity domestic aircraft carriers, jackup rigs, drill ships, large dredgers and larger vessels, as well as by repairing offshore platforms," read an official statement.
Indian Navy Captain Gurpreet S. Khurana, Executive Director of the National Maritime Foundation told Sputnik, "Notwithstanding the Russian offer to India to jointly develop a 100,000 metric ton nuclear aircraft carrier, in my view, India is unlikely to plan for such a large carrier in the foreseeable future. In my considered opinion, we would be building a 60,000-70,000 ton aircraft carrier."
India is planning to produce its domestic aircraft carrier Vishal, which is being designed to be between 60,000 and 70,000 tons. Current shipyards were considered based on their capacity for handling the construction of such a large carrier. Meanwhile, India's first domestically-made aircraft carrier has been under construction at Cochin shipyard since 2009. Currently, India operates two conventional aircraft carriers; INS Vikramaditya & INS Viraat. The INS Viraat will be decommissioned from the Navy soon.
"India needs three carriers because at any given time one carrier is being refit or undergoing repair; at least two carriers should be available to resolve issues during unforeseen emergencies…this dry dock is very important strategically, especially during a warlike situation, when our naval ships may need immediate urgent repair," says Khurana.
India is also targeting the repair of offshore platforms and larger vessels. Captain Khurana stated that this would create lot of economic dividends for India and that the shipbuilding industry would get a boost. Cochin is very close to the international shipping lane which passes south of Sri Lanka. Cochin has tremendous potential for servicing foreign ships, which may also seek to get repaired and refitted at the proposed dock.
Captain Khurana explains another strategic value of the proposed dry dock. "We also may be building some LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) carriers. LNG also has strategic needs. We have no LNG carrier and the energy demand of the country is growing like anything. So it is always good for strategic reasons, in case there will be war tomorrow, to have our own LNG carrier rather than using foreign ships for carrying strategic cargo."
India imports 14.6 million tons of LNG per year. India's demand for LNG is reportedly growing at rate of more than 40% annually. The Indian government is pushing hard to get a maximum amount of cheaper LNG available in the global market.
 

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Indian Navy To Acquire 12 Japanese Amphibious Aircraft For $1.65 Billion

Indian Navy will acquire 12 Japanese Shinmaywa’s long-range amphibious aircraft US-2i for an approximate $1.65 billion under the government-to-government deal.
The US-2i aircraft will be procured under the ‘buy global’ clause of the Defence Procurement Procedure, government sources were quoted as saying by Financial Express Saturday.
The deal, which is going to be government-to-government, was changed from ‘buy and make global’ to ‘buy global’ after amendments were made to two chapters of the DPP, and subsequent rounds of discussions with the industry association.
The deal found mention in the recent interaction between the two nations’ defense ministers in New Delhi earlier this month. The Defense Minister of Japan Gen Nakatani was paying a bilateral visit to India at the invitation of Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar. The two ministers held the annual Defense Ministerial Meeting on 14 July 2016 in New Delhi.
A senior officer was quoted by FE as saying that, “The plan to Buy Global will be sent to the Defence Acquisition Committee in a couple of months before any formal decision is made. Also, there will be a 30% offset clause that the Japanese side will be signing.”
A source in the Japanese company told.defenseworld.net last week that, “The case is still to go to Services Capital Acquisition Requirement Categorization Board (SCAP) and later to Cabinet Committee for Security and is likely that the SCAP will be appointed in August.”
The deal, which has an approval of the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion, is waiting for an acceptance of necessity (AON) from the Indian Navy.
While the army, navy and the coast guard are supporting the requirement of these planes, “It will be like an AON that the navy requires 12 US-2i as of now, and the commercial negotiations for them can begin. The coast guard, in turn, may require five such planes,” explained a defence ministry source.
The Indian Navy had issued a request for information (RFI) for the aircraft. Canada’s Bombardier, Japan’s ShinMaywa and Russia’s Beriev had offered their aircraft to meet the requirements.
 

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CAG report tabled before Parliament:
http://cag.gov.in/sites/default/fil...Navy_and_Coast_Guard_Report_No_17_of_2016.pdf
cag.gov.in/sites/default/files/audit_report_files/Union_Defence_Services_Navy_and_Coast_Guard_Report_No_17_of_2016.pdf



CAG Objects -
"MiG29K, the chosen aircraft for the carrier, continues to face operational deficiencies due to defects in engines, airframe and fly-by-wire system."
If the FBW is not working then how did the 10 single engine landings took place?

Does the CAG think its pertinent to note that 18 of the 30 single engined Harriers bought by India had crashed, some with loss of life. And that Harrier has 3 times the crash rate of standardized F-18 in US Navy.

Does the CAG think its pertinent to note that 6 of the approximate 45 Rafale-M build by France have crashed, despite being double engined.

Does the CAG think its pertinent to note that the safety systems of even the US Navy were similarly difficult to manage in the 70s and 80s when the air wing of US Navy was growing? Today the US Navy has significantly reduced its crash rates but that has take them several years of training and standardization. How long has the Indian Navy experience been allowed to grow in this field?



CAG Objects -
"(iii) MiG29K/KUB Aircraft - The MiG29K, which is a carrier borne multi role aircraft and the mainstay of integral fleet air defence, is riddled with problems relating to airframe, RD MK-33 engine and fly-by-wire 4 system. Aircraft were being technically accepted despite having discrepancies/anomalies. Serviceability of MiG29K was low, ranging from 15.93 per cent to 37.63 per cent and that of MiG29KUB ranging from 21.30 per cent to 47.14 per cent. The augmentation of infrastructure at Visakhapatnam is still at the Detailed Project Report stage even six years after approval (December 2009). The Full Mission Simulator was assessed to be unsuitable for Carrier Qualification (CQ) simulator training for pilots, as the visuals did not support the profile. The service life of the aircraft is 6000 hours or 25 years (whichever is earlier) and with issues facing the MiG29K/KUB, the operational life of the aircraft already delivered would be reduced. Further, the deliveries of the aircraft under the Option Clause scheduled between 2012 and 2016 are much ahead of the delivery schedule of the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier in 2023, as projected by Cochin Shipyard Limited."
Recommendations by CAG are made -
"The Ministry should augment efforts to build infrastructure for MiG29K/KUB at Visakhapatnam, which is the home port for the IAC ;"
Does CAG knows or did it even bother to find out, if the problem is with the aircarft and simulator or with non-funding. So who was the Defence Secretary when this non-funding started.

Servicability was reasonable only in the earlier years when the aircarfts were brand new and then took a dip and is clearly improving again under DM Manohar Parrikar. So what is the reason for the dip of 2011-12.

There are reports that the Mig-29K is being modified currently on the flightline with western and ukrainian equipment that was sanctioned by these countries. Who was the Defence Secretary during the time these acquisition decisions were being made without regard to possibilities of Sanctions. Was it Mr. Shashi Kant Sharma?

REFER:
janes.com/article/62063/indian-navy-reports-problems-with-russian-carrier-aircraft
http://www.janes.com/article/62063/indian-navy-reports-problems-with-russian-carrier-aircraft
The chief culprit in this dilemma, say both Indian and Russian specialists, are the combined embargoes enacted by the Ukrainian government that bar the export of any military-use items to Russia, along with the EU and US sanctions that prohibit the export of Western military components to Moscow. The 'workaround' has been for India to import these items directly, then have them integrated onto the aircraft on-site at the Goa base.

The MiG-29K for India differs from the MiG-29KR aircraft being built for the Russian Navy (VMF) in that the Indian-produced and foreign-made components are deleted in the configuration of the latter aircraft and replaced by Russian-made systems.


Also if the servicability is again improving despite these modifications at the flightline then should not the management under DM Manohar Parrikar be understood to be much much better then the legacy decision making structure?

Further are the modifications being made to Mig-29KUB also? If not then can we take the difference between Mig-29KUB availability and Mig-29K availability (47.14% - 37.63% = 9.51%) as being representative of the reduction caused due to these modifications at the flightline?





CAG Objects -
"Thereafter, the Ministry had concluded (March 2010) an Option Clause contract for acquisition of 29 MiG 29K/KUB aircraft (which included 12 MiG29K and one MiG 29KUB for the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) at a cost of USD 1466.44 million (`6,840.94 crore), estimating that the IAC would be delivered by 2014. The deliveries of the Option clause aircraft scheduled between 2012 and 2016 are much ahead of the delivery schedule of the IAC in 2023, as projected by Cochin Shipyard Limited."
CAG itself notes "MiG29K is the mainstay of the Indian Navy’s fleet air defence, being the choice of aircraft for both the aircraft carriers, viz. INS Vikramaditya and Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (christened as INS Vikrant) as well as two naval air stations on the East and West coast."

The options clause was exercised before the current government. And these would still be necessary even if the INS Vikrant is delayed because land based Mig-29K will have significant range capabilities and then the squad training issues also to be taken into account.

Even if we buy all 45 Mig-29K still the number of aircarfts required for INS Vikramaditya+2 Naval Air Stations (INS Hansa & INS Dega). The naval air arm has 33 aircraft in inventory, as of 29 June 2015. Does the CAG believe that these 33 enough for the required deployment requirements, given that Harriers have been phased out and neither LCA nor ALH have joined the Indian Navy..

Does the aircraft complement of IAC Vikrant & INS Vikramaditya look anything like complete? In such a case would it be wiser to order and use whatever we can lay our hands on or should we wait further.





CAG Objects -
"The fact remains that up to August 2015, the number of engines withdrawn from service/rejected was 46, indicating that even as the RD-33 MK engine was considered an advancement over the engine of the MiG29, its reliability remains questionable."
CAG also educates us that -
Indian Navy replied (November 2015) that repairs of defective engines were being taken up with RAC MiG based on warranty/non-warranty basis, adding that repair of non-warranty engines were being progressed under IHQ MoD (N) indents.
Can the CAG reply as to the break up of the number of engines withdrawn form service and number of engines rejected separately? If no such data was collected then why was it so?

Further how did these non-warranty engines get into the inventory in the first place. Isn't the MOD negotiations over Rafale stuck over warranty issues, today. Were the need for warranties overlooked earlier?



CAG Objects -
"Audit further observed from the protocol (September 2014) of the 16th IRIGC-MTC54 that RAC MiG had forwarded a list of 17 modifications which they had scheduled to complete on all engines held in India by November 2014. However, as of September 2015, it was seen that four modifications (out of 17) had been implemented by RAC MiG on all engines and balance 13 modifications would be implemented as and when engines were sent to OEM at Russia for overhaul/repair."
During what period was the protocol of September 2014 negotiated?

Has the CAG concluded that the engine defects were due to the 13 modifications not done?

If the engine problems are due to absense of these 13 modifications then did the CAG seek answers as to why the MOD till September 2014, never negotiated for the full 17 modifications be done without having to wait till the rehauling/overhauling?



CAG Objects -
"Audit, however observed from the protocol of the 18th Indo Russian Inter Governmental Commission – Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) (August 2015) that defects had occurred despite numerous design improvements and modifications"
CAG also educates us that
"55 Defects - Defect of shearing of side bolt of engine mounting, failures of INCOM mounting tray, failure of Radar scanner mountings had been observed"
Now the Mig-29K has several systems that are not there on the stock Mig-29 - wing folding, CFC usage, different radar, IRST.

But somehow only defects being noted are in the easily maintainable depot level repairs like mountings and trays. Sometime back metal chippings were being noted in the Su-30MKI fuel. DM Parrikar has mentioned on the floor of the house that there are no such new cases noted. How is it that the defects are noted only in these items and not in the more difficult to manufacture items?



CAG Objects -
"Audit observed (December 2014) from the Agenda points of 6th Reliability and Maintainability Programme Plan (RMPP) for MIG29K/KUB aircraft that the reliability56 of the fly by wire was very poor, ranging from 3.5 per cent to 7.5 per cent between 01 July 2012 and 30 June 2014 and measures were to be taken by RAC MiG to improve reliability of the system."
CAG also educates us that
"The issue had serious flight safety implications, since in-flight engine defects had led to ten cases of single engine landings."
Now how can it be that the FBW worked in all the 10 single engine landings even though FBW reliability was only ranging from 3.5 per cent to 7.5 per cent between 01 July 2012 and 30 June 2014. How is it that a system that can only be reliable for 3.5% of the time, work exactly as needed in the random 10 instances of single engine landings. And this happened every time (since there were no crashes)?

What was the reliability rate after 30 June 2014 the approximate cut off date for the new govt. taking oath?



About the only real objection raised by CAG and where the MOD really needs to work is that - "As of 31st July 2015, the OEM was still in the process of software corrections as required to make the simulator as realistic as aircraft." when in fact this should have started working by 2013.
 
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Russia in Talks With India on Delivering 3 New Guided Missile Frigates
Russia and India are discussing a delivery of three new guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy, the deputy chief of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) said Friday.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – India has six frigates of the Talwar class, the forerunner of Project 11356, which are built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia’s westernmost Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad.
"The final decision on handing them over to a third country has not been taken yet, but we know that talks involving Rosoboronexport [Russian state-run arms exporter] are in progress," USC Vice President Igor Ponomaryov told RIA Novosti.
The first sea trial of a Project 11356 frigate took place last year in the Barents Sea. The frigate, displacing 3,850 tons, is designed for anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare as well as for air defense missions. It can operate independently and as part of convoys or naval task forces.
 

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