Indian Multi Role Helicopter (IMRH)

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Kinda gives me Mi-24 Hind like vibes...
i wonder if there is any plan to make a desi Hind-like heli from IMRH project with tandem-seat arrangements with gunner front and pilot rear and bottom mounted machine gun etc, some external weapons points with missiles, rockets etc ,and some basic 8-10 passenger capacity...
would love to see such thing rendered at least on these graphics [email protected] @Kuntal and all :namaste:
 
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Kinda gives me Mi-24 Hind like vibes...
i wonder if there is any plan to make a desi Hind-like heli from IMRH project with tandem-seat arrangements with gunner front and pilot rear and bottom mounted machine gun etc, and some basic 8-10 passenger capacity...
would love to see such thing rendered at least on these graphics [email protected] @Kuntal and all :namaste:
“However, currently, HAL has no plans to make an attack helicopter in the Apache Class”- HAL Chief, R Madhavan.
Looks like HAL isn’t interested in making a bigger attack helicopter.
 

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“However, currently, HAL has no plans to make an attack helicopter in the Apache Class”- HAL Chief, R Madhavan.
Looks like HAL isn’t interested in making a bigger attack helicopter.
with Rudra in service perhaps there is not much need for an attack heli + utility heli combo like thing here,
but Mi-24 Hind was also an armoured heli designed to fight from front, could withstand .50 cal impacts on both body and rotors, some variants also had heavier 23mm//30mm machine guns (akin to fighter aircraft cannons) in stationary positions and so, and of course external stores had big rocket pods, missiles etc...

so yeah it was designed to fight in battlefield like a flying tank...i wonder if Rudra could deliver similar performance if not same...
 

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“However, currently, HAL has no plans to make an attack helicopter in the Apache Class”- HAL Chief, R Madhavan.
Looks like HAL isn’t interested in making a bigger attack helicopter.
I personally will also be very conservative toward heavy attack helicopter development - I mean: at least till this brain storm/debate about the role of UAV, swarm of it, is clear...
 

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French firm & HAL in talks to make new indigenous chopper engine, power ‘Make in India’ push
New Delhi:
French defence major Safran and the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in talks to jointly and indigenously manufacture a new engine that will power India’s plans to have its own medium weight military helicopters.

These new rotary aircraft will replace the Russian Mi-17 transport helicopters in the coming years. There is also a possibility of a new combat chopper in the same class as the American Apache.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said that the engines will be manufactured to power different types of medium weight helicopters that the HAL is working on to meet the demand of the Air Force, Navy and the Army.

At an event organised Saturday by industry chamber FICCI, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had said that during his talks with his French counterpart Florence Parly last week, discussions on the engines took place.

The thrust of his talks was to ask French defence firms to either collaborate with Indian companies or simply produce in India.

“I am happy to say that the French government has agreed that a big French company will come to India and produce an engine, currently not made in the country, under the strategic partnership with an Indian company,” he had said at the seminar.

The sources said this was related to helicopter engines and the Indian company that will enter into a strategic partnership with Safran is HAL.

The sources refused to elaborate whether this investment will be part of the offsets that Safran has to complete as part of the Rafale deal.

The HAL currently manufactures the LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) and the multi-role ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter), besides the Chetak choppers.

Incidentally, both the ALH and the LCH are powered by Ardiden 1H1 Shakti, co-developed by HAL and Safran.

The sources said that while this is license manufactured by HAL, the new engine will be made under the strategic partnership, which will involve transfer of technology.


IMRH reason for India-France collaboration
The defence sources explained that the HAL is working on a twin-engine, multi-role, multi-mission chopper of about 13-tonne weightage, known as the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH).

This helicopter is meant to replace the various variants of Russian Mi-17 helicopters which are the workhorse of the Indian Air Force, which operates a total of about 250 of them.

The phasing out of the earlier versions of these helicopters are to begin around 2028, with the latest versions, Mi-17 V5 (inducted since 2011), to be the last to be phased out.

The HAL is looking at a helicopter which will have more endurance than the Mi-17s and will be used for a wide variety of operations, including transport, VVIP travel, search and rescue besides others, the sources said.

The HAL also plans to manufacture a medium weight combat helicopter in the future, which will rival the American Apache currently in service with the IAF.

It will also offer a naval variant to the Indian Navy, which is also in need of medium weight choppers.
 

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French firm & HAL in talks to make new indigenous chopper engine, power ‘Make in India’ push
New Delhi:
French defence major Safran and the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in talks to jointly and indigenously manufacture a new engine that will power India’s plans to have its own medium weight military helicopters.

These new rotary aircraft will replace the Russian Mi-17 transport helicopters in the coming years. There is also a possibility of a new combat chopper in the same class as the American Apache.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said that the engines will be manufactured to power different types of medium weight helicopters that the HAL is working on to meet the demand of the Air Force, Navy and the Army.

At an event organised Saturday by industry chamber FICCI, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had said that during his talks with his French counterpart Florence Parly last week, discussions on the engines took place.

The thrust of his talks was to ask French defence firms to either collaborate with Indian companies or simply produce in India.

“I am happy to say that the French government has agreed that a big French company will come to India and produce an engine, currently not made in the country, under the strategic partnership with an Indian company,” he had said at the seminar.

The sources said this was related to helicopter engines and the Indian company that will enter into a strategic partnership with Safran is HAL.

The sources refused to elaborate whether this investment will be part of the offsets that Safran has to complete as part of the Rafale deal.

The HAL currently manufactures the LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) and the multi-role ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter), besides the Chetak choppers.

Incidentally, both the ALH and the LCH are powered by Ardiden 1H1 Shakti, co-developed by HAL and Safran.

The sources said that while this is license manufactured by HAL, the new engine will be made under the strategic partnership, which will involve transfer of technology.


IMRH reason for India-France collaboration
The defence sources explained that the HAL is working on a twin-engine, multi-role, multi-mission chopper of about 13-tonne weightage, known as the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH).

This helicopter is meant to replace the various variants of Russian Mi-17 helicopters which are the workhorse of the Indian Air Force, which operates a total of about 250 of them.

The phasing out of the earlier versions of these helicopters are to begin around 2028, with the latest versions, Mi-17 V5 (inducted since 2011), to be the last to be phased out.

The HAL is looking at a helicopter which will have more endurance than the Mi-17s and will be used for a wide variety of operations, including transport, VVIP travel, search and rescue besides others, the sources said.

The HAL also plans to manufacture a medium weight combat helicopter in the future, which will rival the American Apache currently in service with the IAF.

It will also offer a naval variant to the Indian Navy, which is also in need of medium weight choppers.
Hmm I Guess this got a push after crash of Mi 17 carrying CDS.
 

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Why india retired mi 24 india had no issues with them why no new mi 35 was urchased
 

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with Rudra in service perhaps there is not much need for an attack heli + utility heli combo like thing here,
but Mi-24 Hind was also an armoured heli designed to fight from front, could withstand .50 cal impacts on both body and rotors, some variants also had heavier 23mm//30mm machine guns (akin to fighter aircraft cannons) in stationary positions and so, and of course external stores had big rocket pods, missiles etc...

so yeah it was designed to fight in battlefield like a flying tank...i wonder if Rudra could deliver similar performance if not same...
Rudra isn't armoured like that... But provide light attack capability and protection for the armoured troops.

Field has change we will require silent rotors faster stealth heli which are not just armoured well but equipped to evade missiles fired at it.

IMRH is a beginning... It will evolve into many thing like Dhruva did... Or Blackhawk for USA. It is going to replace Mi 17 too so obviously will be armed in a similar way Rudra is...

We will need a bigger ASW fleet too and lots of attack choppers in future. I don't see a reason for not developing it further even if there is another design they are working on.
 

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China sent 4 halos in may for testing these halos they have passed all army tests
 

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Looks like HAL isn’t interested in making a bigger attack helicopter.
Currently their is no need for that.
Heavy attack helicopter will only be procured in small quantity. It is not worth the investment and resources consumed. Buying of the shelf product is more practical.
UCAVs are taking over the role of bigger attack helicopter.

We have decided to focus on AMCA, TAPAS, Guruda and FUFA projects.
 

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with Rudra in service perhaps there is not much need for an attack heli + utility heli combo like thing here,
but Mi-24 Hind was also an armoured heli designed to fight from front, could withstand .50 cal impacts on both body and rotors, some variants also had heavier 23mm//30mm machine guns (akin to fighter aircraft cannons) in stationary positions and so, and of course external stores had big rocket pods, missiles etc...

so yeah it was designed to fight in battlefield like a flying tank...i wonder if Rudra could deliver similar performance if not same...
No - Rudra is more akin to the OG Huey Gunships - she can carry either passengers or armaments - not both.
 

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Currently their is no need for that.
Heavy attack helicopter will only be procured in small quantity. It is not worth the investment and resources consumed. Buying of the shelf product is more practical.
UCAVs are taking over the role of bigger attack helicopter.

We have decided to focus on AMCA, TAPAS, Guruda and FUFA projects.
I feel the core of our attack helo will be a 40 odd Apaches, each vectoring many times more LCHs, UAVs, and Stand Off weapons.

That actually makes sense, but the LCH needs some up armoring, would love to see the new Safran engine for the IMRH be used in a MCH perhaps.
 

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Currently their is no need for that.
Heavy attack helicopter will only be procured in small quantity. It is not worth the investment and resources consumed. Buying of the shelf product is more practical.
UCAVs are taking over the role of bigger attack helicopter.

We have decided to focus on AMCA, TAPAS, Guruda and FUFA projects.
Once IMRH design is mature enough an armed version in class of Apache may follow soon.
 

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Once IMRH design is mature enough an armed version in class of Apache may follow soon.
I really doubt it.
Market for Apache class helicopter is low and if our UCAVs get matured enough then their wouldn't be need of such helicopters.
 

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I feel the core of our attack helo will be a 40 odd Apaches, each vectoring many times more LCHs, UAVs, and Stand Off weapons.

That actually makes sense, but the LCH needs some up armoring, would love to see the new Safran engine for the IMRH be used in a MCH perhaps.
LCH needs Radar and RF-guided munition.
Armoring LCH won't help much. Most helicopters are engaged with MANPADS.
IR Jammers will help though.
 

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LCH needs Radar and RF-guided munition.
Armoring LCH won't help much. Most helicopters are engaged with MANPADS.
IR Jammers will help though.
MANPADs, heavy MGs, autocannons - even smart tank rounds.
 

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I really doubt it.
Market for Apache class helicopter is low and if our UCAVs get matured enough then their wouldn't be need of such helicopters.
Our own market will be big enough to justify mch. Whether a ucav will be able to do missions like Apache we will only know with time.
 

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