Indian MBRLS Pinaka Thread

[Arihant]

I am sure if orders are cut down then they cut it for pinaka 1 version and will buy pinaka guided rockets. Why they will buy 1999 product in 2022-2027 time period ?.

 

[Chinmoy]

https://palepurshankar.blogspot.com/2019/12/pinaka-in-conventional-non-contact.html?m=1




Let us look at the numbers. Initially it was planned to procure 22 regiments of Pinaka as per the Arty Profile 2027. However, after some “thinking and operational reassessment” beyond logic, the number of Pinaka Regiments were reduced by 12. We have correspondingly increased the number of 155 mm gun (max range 40 km) regiments by 12! These will come at the tail of all other orders after 15-20 years. It is flummoxing that; we have decreased our requirement of a fully indigenous and devastating rocket system with 70 km range from 22 to 10. So much for “Make in India”. This inverted planning is happening in an era where the international trend is to go in for long range precision fires. Just imagine deployment of another 12 regiments of Pinaka with its plethora of warheads on the LAC and the deterrence effect it will have on our adversarie

Should we consider it as twisting of facts?
He seems to have left alone the fact that we are moving towards guided Pinaka. So it is obvious that we would cut down overall numbers. Till 2027 we would not be phasing out BM-21's and on top of that we are developing indigenous 122mm rockets who would be using the same platform. So taking the cost factor, it makes sense when they cut down on tube artillery and increasing Howitzers.
Another point is upcoming Tactical missiles. This too would draw funds towards its development and induction. So in a way cutting down the size of tube artys makes a sense.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

LIEUTENANT GENERAL FROM ARTILLERY BRANCH SAY SO!

 

[aarav]

https://palepurshankar.blogspot.com/2019/12/pinaka-in-conventional-non-contact.html?m=1




Let us look at the numbers. Initially it was planned to procure 22 regiments of Pinaka as per the Arty Profile 2027. However, after some “thinking and operational reassessment” beyond logic, the number of Pinaka Regiments were reduced by 12. We have correspondingly increased the number of 155 mm gun (max range 40 km) regiments by 12! These will come at the tail of all other orders after 15-20 years. It is flummoxing that; we have decreased our requirement of a fully indigenous and devastating rocket system with 70 km range from 22 to 10. So much for “Make in India”. This inverted planning is happening in an era where the international trend is to go in for long range precision fires. Just imagine deployment of another 12 regiments of Pinaka with its plethora of warheads on the LAC and the deterrence effect it will have on our adversarie

There is also Prahaar and Pralay tactical ballistic missiles and guided pinaka and extended range 122mm rockets being developed by DRDO

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Prahaar, Pralay suffering due to Smerch & Pinaka lobby.

Pinaka-2 Guided zero orders inspite of desperate need on Border.

 

[ezsasa]

Prahaar, Pralay suffering due to Smerch & Pinaka lobby.

Pinaka-2 Guided zero orders inspite of desperate need on Border.

Sirji, aren’t you jumping the gun on pinaka-2 guided.

Let the user trails be finished first. Now that we have seen the change in the launcher as well, it’s not like pinaka 2 guided are going to work on old launchers.

Now an entire new regiment will have to be purchased for P2 Guided, probably.

 

[abingdonboy]

After M777 and K9 there will be no more foreign arty purchases, you can be 100% certain of that.

BAE can try but there’s ZERO way they can lobby to cut MBRLs in favour of a ULH, that’s beyond ridiculous! Also remember that BAE is a consultant/partner in the OFB MGS project.

 

[Chinmoy]

LIEUTENANT GENERAL FROM ARTILLERY BRANCH SAY SO!

I have no doubt on intelligence of the gentleman. But the number he is quoting is of 2006. Cost difference in between then and now has increased by around 6 times. Even a Mk 1 rocket costs around 30l INR which is around 10 times then a conventional arty shell and 6 times then a guided one. A guided rocket is estimated to cost around 50L INR. So when this estimation of 22 regiment was drafted in 2006, these were for sure not been accounted for. The modernization plan of Indian artillery was not been conceptualized at that time.

For more details you may watch latest Security scan episode on RSTV.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Most important of all is that rather than bringing convenient angle of "import brings bribe", we should trust the wisdom of those who determines how many of such MBRLs are required to defend the country. Best way is to produce as and when required to stop them to become obsolete. In this case we must have the capability to produce as when required.

 

[ezsasa]

I wonder if there is scope for extending the mandate of pinaka 2 guided as a coastal defence system.

It may not be useful immediately for India, but it would be useful for countries in and around straits of malacca.

With modifications to control surfaces and seeker, maybe it can be used to target coastal invasions , military ships(OPV) or terrorist vessels at 90 km range within EEZ.
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Idea based on this tweet..

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I wonder if there is scope for extending the mandate of pinaka 2 guided as a coastal defence system.

It may not be useful immediately for India, but it would be useful for countries in and around straits of malacca.

With modifications to control surfaces and seeker, maybe it can be used to target coastal invasions , military ships(OPV) or terrorist vessels at 90 km range within EEZ.

An interesting idea. Even if it doesn't have the required targeting capability, it can be developed. The question here is whether the range is sufficient?

 

[ezsasa]

An interesting idea. Even if it doesn't have the required targeting capability, it can be developed. The question here is whether the range is sufficient?

If the tolerance limit is set at stopping any military or terrorist vessel between 10-30 nm range from the shore, it would be sufficient.

Brahmos or other anti ship missiles are there to take care of heavy duty military vessels.

Naval pinaka would be for lesser threats where you don’t need to send an entire armada, OPV or drones would be sufficient to provide guidance.

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

Pinaka M-III incoming :

 

[Divyank Kumar]

We should remove BM-21 from the truck and place it on the T-72 Like russian TOS-1 so that they can be easily be used in desert with ease.............
https://www.cloudaffairsgk.online/2020/02/disha-police-station.html

 

[ezsasa]

We should remove BM-21 from the truck and place it on the T-72 Like russian TOS-1 so that they can be easily be used in desert with ease.............
https://www.cloudaffairsgk.online/2020/02/disha-police-station.html

Cost sirji, BMP2 costs 12 crores something.

 

[IndianHawk]

Pinaka M-III incoming :

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This is the perfect anti terrorist weapon for porky camps . It's cheap and effective and will be accurate with GPS guiding and can hit any camps within 100km with solvos.

 

[ezsasa]

This is the perfect anti terrorist weapon for porky camps . It's cheap and effective and will be accurate with GPS guiding and can hit any camps within 100km with solvos.

I hope the next phase of improvements on pinaka focuses on pin point accuracy, by adding optical / IR seeker & additional control surfaces.

That’s when it becomes a tango hunter.

 

[Bleh]

We should remove BM-21 from the truck and place it on the T-72 Like russian TOS-1 so that they can be easily be used in desert with ease.............
https://www.cloudaffairsgk.online/2020/02/disha-police-station.html

Cost sirji, BMP2 costs 12 crores something.

Tracked truck MLRS would be much classier for similar off-road mobility. Like Chinese Type-83 or US M-270.

 

[ladder]

22 Pinaka Regiments will hold 1.89 lakh rockets.

PDF Contains many more details.

 

[Bhurki]

22 Pinaka Regiments will hold 1.89 lakh rockets.

PDF Contains many more details.

22 regiments = 440 launchers = 5280 launch tubes
(3 batteries with 6 launchers each and extra 2 launchers for Hq for a total of 20 launchers)
189,000/5280 = 36 reloads.