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He said the integration of avionics and sensors on a Brazilian plane to produce an indigenous “eye-in-the-sky” was proceeding apace. The modifications of the Embraer aircraft to fit the surveillance systems were “in fairly good shape” and the AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) could be ready for tests in two years, he said.

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Embraer Develops Complementary Platforms For Indian Systems

Jun 1, 2010



By Neelam Mathews [email protected]
NEW DELHI


The joint development of an Airborne Early Warning system by Embraer and India's Defense Research Development Organization for the Indian Air Force is on track.

The first flight of the modified EMB-145 will take place in December or early next year, Orlando Jose Ferreira Neto, executive vice president for defense systems, told Aerospace DAILY.

The first fuselage was joined for India's early warning aircraft in March for the first of three EMB-145s to be fitted with the Indian-designed antenna.

The Active Array Antenna Unit (AAAU), developed by DRDO's Center for Airborne Systems, will then be integrated into the modified EMB-145 aircraft under the agreement, with certification to follow. Deliveries are expected to start in 2011.

While the challenges of integration have been many, "we are trying to mitigate risks," Neto says. "Talks are on how we shall integrate. It's a specific product with a specific objective.

"It's a new system, a new platform. We'll see what to do with it next because it is a state-of-the-art product — an update of platforms we have been selling," Neto adds.

Brazil uses the Ericsson Erieye radar on the EMB-99 or EMB-145. Erieye is a long-range pulse Doppler radar, fitted with fixed active phased array antenna. The 9-meter long, 900-kg. antenna unit is mounted on the upper spine of the fuselage and gives the aircraft its distinctive appearance. Rather than a conventional rotodome antenna system, Erieye has a fixed, dual-sided and electronically scanned antenna mounted on top of the fuselage, placing less demand on aircraft size.

Pakistan took delivery of its second Saab-2000 Erieye aircraft in late April. The Indian Air Force is said to be looking at acquiring 20 more systems.


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what s major difference between Israel `s phalcons and and drdo`s awacs
 

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"India's Air Force Looks to Enhance Its Reach With Upgrades & Force Multipliers" discussed India's growing shift toward aircraft that would give it the ability to patrol and act at extended ranges. In January 2004, India and Israel signed a $1.1 billion contract for 3 Phalcon airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft, as part of a $1.5 billion tripartite agreement with Russia.

Now reports are surfacing that India will implement its AWACS capabilities on 2 platforms, in order to provide broader coverage. With the arrival of its first IL-76 Phalcon in India, the country joins the global ranks of AWACS operators"¦

India's AWACS: Platforms & Programs
Updates and Developments
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India's AWACS: Platforms & Programs


Chile's E-707 Condor
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Israel Aerospace Industries' Phalcon system is built around an ELTA EL/M-2075 AESA L-band radar, then adds electronic and communications intelligence gathering (ELINT and COMINT) capabilities. The system can also receive transmissions from other air and ground stations, and uses sensor fusion to provide a complete picture of the battlespace out to several hundred kilometers. IAI had already delivered an earlier-model 707-based "Condor" system to Chile, and created a Phalcon variant for Israel and Singapore that fits into a Gulfstream 550 business jet.

India already operates the IL-76 as its strategic transport aircraft and aerial refueling tanker (IL-78), however, and made its decision accordingly. Instead of the front and side structural modifications made to Chile's Condor and the CAEW G550 Gulfstream jets, India's Phalcon will use a conventional AWACS radome mounted on top. Because the Elta radar scans in 360 degrees automatically, however, the radome will be fixed rather than rotating.

The Prem PS-90 engines in the upgraded IL-76TD aircraft will make operation in India's hot climates easier, and the system will reportedly make heavy use of Russian avionics, including a partial glass cockpit.


Russian IL-76/A-50
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India was supposed to receive the first A-50I/IL-76TD Phalcon in December 2007, but Uzbekistan's Tashkent Aircraft Production Organization (TAPO) was late customizing the airframes. India's first A-50I Phalcon underwent maiden flight tests in November 2007, and again in January and February 2008. Flight certification was to begin in May 2008, with first delivery set for September 2008; but first delivery ended up taking place in Q2 2009. All 3 aircraft have been promised by the end 2010, but it's possible that final delivery might not occur until 2011.

Final delivery overall will be extended even longer. In April 2008, India reportedly picked up the option for 3 more IL-76 Phalcon AWACS aircraft, in a deal worth up to $2 billion. Jane's Defence Weekly issued a concurring report later in the week, but placed the deal's value at $1 billion. Assuming that the equipment sets are the same and inflation is 3% per year, note that repeating 2004's $1.5 billion deal works out to about $1.7 billion by 2008. Delivery of these 3 additional planes would be expected to take place in 2011-12.

The IL-76 Phalcons are part of an emerging architecture for India's air force, which include the Operational Data Link (ODL), the Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS), and Air Force Net (AFNET).

According to a report carried in The Hindu, however, this may not be the final word on India's AWACs fleet.


EMB 145 Erieye
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India has a great deal of territory to cover, and even 6 AEW&C aircraft can easily mean just 4 operational aircraft at any given time. The Indian Air Force appears to be taking the "brittle swords lesson" to heart, and is looking for another 3 mid-size surveillance aircraft to act as counterparts to the larger Ilyushin Phalcons.

While a G550 Phalcon would provide systems commonality, India's platform of choice for this project is Embraer's ERJ-145 business/ regional jet. The Hindu reported a timeline that had aircraft delivery beginning in 2011, with full operational capability by 2013. The 3 aircraft together are expected to cost around R 1,800 crore (about $385 million) total when fully equipped.

Subsequent reports indicate a July 2008 contract with Embraer for the aircraft. Under the agreement, Brazil's Embraer will act as the overall system integrator, supplying the jets, mounting the radar and electronics on or into the AWACS fuselage, and ensuring that the altered jets retain acceptable flight performance, and handling flight recertification.

The militarized ERJ 145 comes in several versions, including maritime surveillance and electronic intelligence versions. The most common variant, currently operated by Brazil and Greece, is the R-99 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft1. It uses the same Saab Erieye AESA radar that will be mounted on Pakistan's new Saab 2000 turboprop AEW&C fleet. There are some blind spots with its "dorsal blade" configuration, most notably to the front, but flight patterns can be planned around those gaps to ensure good coverage of the area in question.

The Hindu report did not specify the radar involved, except to say that it is "from the [Indian] Electronics and Radar Development Establishment". A September 2005 ACIG report claimed that the radar would be similar to Saab's Erieye, and the accompanying illustration from India's DRDO Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) certainly looks very similar.

This systems work with DRDO will be the real key to the Embraer AEW&C project's success or failure.

India's state-owned DRDO research and development agency will be heavily involved in a number of areas. According to The Hindu, the Bangalore-based Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) is responsible for overall integration of the electronic systems, mission computer, display and data handling. CABS is reportedly working with the private sector firm Astra Microwave Products of Hyderabad to develop transmit-receive multimodules [JPG format] for the radar; doing so at a reasonable cost is always a challenge for AESA radars, however, and India's experience with the type is limited. DRDO's Defence Avionics Research Establishment will be involved with the jet's self-protection systems, electronic warfare suites and communication support systems; their Defence Electronics Application Laboratory will be involved with the primary sensors, communication systems and data link; and DRDO's Defence Electronics Research Laboratory will be involved with "counter-support measures."

DRDO's radar record is cause for some concern – the multimode radar being developed for the Tejas lightweight fighter isn't performing properly yet, for instance, and foreign radars like the Elta M-2032 in India's Sea Harriers are now being used as substitutes in order to keep the already-late program on track. DRDO was also responsible for "Project Guardian/Airawat," which suffered a disastrous project failure in 1999 when the HS-748 turboprop AWACS testbed aircraft crashed, killing several engineers and scientists who were critical to the project. The ERJ aircraft are the proposed successors to that effort.

Updates and Developments


Ripple effect
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May 5/10: Defence Minister Shri AK Antony offers a written Parliamentary update:

"The contract for supply of three Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft was signed with M/s Elta, Israel on March 05, 2004. The first and second AWACS aircraft were delivered to the Indian Air Force on May 25, 2009 and March 25, 2010 respectively as per the revised delivery schedule. The delivery of the third aircraft is planned for December 2010. Additional AWACS aircraft are planned to be procured in the 12th, 13th and 14th Plans."

Feb 2/10: The inauguration of the Bangalore-based Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) System Test and Integration Rig (STIR) complex for testing airborne systems offers an update on India's AWACS project. CABS Director S Christopher says that:

"AEW&C's flying platform is the modified EMB145, which will take to skies later this year. It is scheduled to be delivered to us in Aug 2011"¦. our mission systems will be ready by this year. It will be tested in this rig in 2011, followed by flight testing in 2012."

Jan 17/10: IANS reports that India's 2nd IL-76 Phalcon is slated for delivery in March 2010, and is also slated to be based at Agra air base. This is later than the original delivery schedule.

May 25/09: First delivery. The first Indian IL-76 Phalcon AWACS plane lands at Jamnagar air base in India's far western Gujarat province. The plane took off from Ovda air base near Eilat, Israel, and was escorted by Indian MiG-29s and Jaguar fighters for the last leg of its flight. The formal induction ceremony will take place on May 28/09.

The planes will eventually be based at IAF Central Command's Agra air base in Uttar Pradesh. Agra isn't far from the border with Nepal, but it's best known for its association with the nearby Taj Mahal. Indian AF release | Sify | Straits Times | Thaindian News | Times of India | Rediff background

Feb 12/09: Defense Update reports that a July 2008 contract for 3 smaller AWACS based on the ERJ-145 hasn't stopped Israel's IAI from promoting its Gulstream G550 CAEW, which uses an Elta AESA EL/W-2085 radar that's closely related to the one in India's 2 planned IL-76 AWACS. The jet can perform aerial target tracking, along with some electronic intelligence (ELINT) and communications intercepts (COMINT); it will succeed the E-2C Hawkeye and 707 Phalcon in Israeli Air Force service, and Singapore's RSAF recently inducted its first aircraft.

India's history of project failures makes promotion of the G550 a wise move, in case the DRDO's ERJ-145 AWACS radar fails. The move may be aimed at another target, however – India's options for additional IL-76 Phalcons. The G550 is an extreme range business jet, and Israeli data gives their CAEW variant an endurance of 9 hours. This compares to 6 hours on station for the larger IL-76, which is also more expensive to operate. As a demonstration of its capabilities, a G550 CAEW flew non-stop from Israel to India for Aero India 2009.

Jan 11/09: The first IL-76 Phalcon reportedly lands in New Delhi, India, for inspection. India Today.

Sept 18/08: The Times of India quotes Defence ministry sources as saying that the first IL-76 Phalcon will now land in India only around January-February 2009, though they are pushing IAI to deliver the aircraft before the end of 2008 despite "technical hitches in the integration work".

The Times' report adds that India signed a $210-million deal with Brazilian firm Embraer in July 2008 for 3 EMB-145 aircraft. The intent of the INR 18 billion (about $385 million) project is to modify them with DRDO-provided radar and command systems; if that works, the jets would begin arriving in 2011-2012.

India is also reportedly on course to acquire 4 more Israeli tethered aerostats and EL/M-2083 radars, at a cost of around $300 million. This follow-on to the aerostat radars inducted from 2004-2005 has reportedly been cleared by the Defence Acquisitions Council; if adopted, it would raise India's total Airborne Early Warning aerostat purchases to about $445 million. Aerostat-mounted radars trade the advantage of mobility for incredible persistence, and are especially useful for watching key coastline and key border regions, or defending high value areas.

Sept 14/08: Zee News quotes Indian Army Maj. Gen. (Retd) Mrinal Suman, writing in the September issue of Indian Defence Review, as saying that India paid twice as much as it should have for its initial order of A-50 Phalcon AWACS aircraft.

"...inability to negotiate contracts astutely has been the biggest weakness of the entire defence procurement regime"¦. as the vendors exploit ambiguities in the contract language, especially with respect to delivery schedules, warranties, after sales support and penalties for default."

Suman retired as Technical Manager (Land Systems) in the Indian Defence Ministry's acquisition wing.

July 2008: Brazil's Embraer signs a contract to deliver 3 ERJ-145 jets, to be modified into AWACS aircraft by adding radar systems from India's DRDO. Source.


Aerostat radar:
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May 16/08: The Calcutta Telegraph reports that the first 3 IL-76 Phalcons will be delayed, and so will a pair of Israeli aerostat-mounted radars India has ordered:

"A source in the Indian Air Force has confirmed that the delivery of the first Phalcon will be delayed. It was expected in September but is now more likely to reach India only at the end of the first quarter of 2009"¦ delivery of two Aerostat radars"¦ will also be delayed.

This is the second time that the delivery schedule of the Phalcons has been disrupted. The original schedule envisaged the delivery of the first aircraft in November 2007, the second in August 2008 and the third in the second half of 2009"¦. The delays, however, have not dissuaded the air force from working through a proposal to ask for three more Phalcons in a follow-on order estimated at $2 billion."

April 13/08: India Defense reports that India is pleased enough to pick up the option for 3 more IL-76 Phalcon AWACS aircraft, in a deal worth up to $2 billion.

Jane's Defence Weekly issued a concurring report later in the week, but placed the deal's value at $1 billion. Assuming that the equipment sets are the same and inflation is 3% per year, note that repeating 2004's $1.5 billion deal works out to about $1.7 billion by 2008. Delivery of these 3 additional planes would be expected to take place in 2011-12.

Footnotes

1 The terms AWACS and AEW&C can be used interchangeably. Many militaries are gravitating toward the more cubmersome "AEW&C" as standard nomenclature these days.
 

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The Indian Air Force is said to be looking at acquiring 20 more systems.
Why do we need 20 more systems with 3 DRDO AEW&CS + 3 Phalcon AEW&CS on order? Even USA is using only 32 E-3s.
 

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Why do we need 20 more systems with 3 DRDO AEW&CS + 3 Phalcon AEW&CS on order? Even USA is using only 32 E-3s.
IAF is looking for hi low mix and for 24*7 coverage over air space in case of two front war hence the required numbers don't be surprised in case these numbers are increased too
 

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sir,
just searching on net for aewcs system of india and come accross this system .
dont know its earler posted or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Surveillance_Platform .
good system way earleir developed by india.
The Airborne Surveillance Platform (ASP) is an Indian defense project, initiated by the Defence Research and Development Organization, which aimed to produce an Airborne Early Warning System. Two prototypes were developed and flight tested for three years. The project was cancelled in 1999 after the prototype aircraft crashed, killing 8 scientists and aircrew. After four years of inactivity, the project was revived in 2004 with a new platform and radar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ASO_Airavat_in_1996_Test.jpg

The ASP programme, code-named "Airavat", is one of the key force multipliers in the modern war scenario. India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing an advanced surveillance platform based on an Hawker Siddeley HS 748 aircraft to detect targets at extended ranges with all round azimuth coverage. It is designed to handle 50 targets. It features a Hybrid navigation system, including both satellite and ground (beacon) based topography. The communication and data links are dual redundant secure systems.

The origin of the program possibly lies in the aftermath of the 1971 Indo-Pak war. As witnessed by the air-operation in the western front, timely information and coordination, namely vectoring and interception cannot be done effectively from the ground. In the late 1979, the DRDO formed a team to study the possibility of mounting an airborne radar on an existing aircraft.

The problem was not the availability of suitable aircraft but the fact that India did not process an effective airborne radar. An ad hoc team of specialists from LRDE began their work on developing an Airborne Radar, which in itself is a key "Enabling Technology" for the final product.[1]

Studies and analysis began in July 1985 under project name 'Guardian', later (Possibly in 1987) renamed 'Airawat'. By the late 1980s an HS 748 had been modified with a 24 ft x 5 ft composite rotodome. The aircraft flew with a pylon (without the dome) in May 1989 and with the rotodome in November 1990. The Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) was set up in February 1991, under Dr K. Ramchand to act as a system house and integration agency using all the expertise and infrastructure available in India. At the peak of its operations, some 300 Scientists and Engineers were employed/reported by/to CABS. The project received public recognition when the aircraft was flown during the flight demonstrations at the inauguration ceremony of the first Aero India show held in Bangalore in December 1996.

There were two testbeds employed in design program, with tail nos: H-2175 & H-2176; they were transferred from the IAF's western command.
 
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what s major difference between Israel `s phalcons and and drdo`s awacs
DRDO's current AWACS will be in large numbers & will complement Phalcons. In better words, it'll be backup to Phalcons. DRDO platform will take some time to mature.
 

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DRDO's current AWACS will be in large numbers & will complement Phalcons. In better words, it'll be backup to Phalcons. DRDO platform will take some time to mature.
Why should the DRDO platform take 'time to mature'? I recall reading DRDO has the EL/M-2075 source code.
 

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Why should the DRDO platform take 'time to mature'? I recall reading DRDO has the EL/M-2075 source code.
So?
DRDO AEW&CS will have a locally developed AESA primary radar with IFF & various communication support systems. Integration aircraft will be EMB-145. Total incorporation & system development will take time till 2013, then induction. It'll take time for IAF to get familiarize & accept the platform after which more firm orders will be place.
 

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Why should the DRDO platform take 'time to mature'? I recall reading DRDO has the EL/M-2075 source code.
DBC can you explain what DRDO will achieve with Indian-AEW if it manages to get the Software source codes/ or API / Object codes of A50 system ,
what was your point exactly ????
 

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sir,
i dont think drdo platform require time to mature. as had already quit good experience in awacs in 90s (post #34
 

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another question has drdo tested its awacs stanalone i mean without planting it on a aircraft platform
 

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May be not in fully integrated mode but yes various systems and sub-systems have already been tested and remaining are in process to tested.
 

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