Indian Electronics and Semiconductor manufacturing industry

[thebakofbakchod]

We need at least 100+ PCB plants with multiple SMT lines running in this country. Seems like all the focus is on semiconductors without any big investment coming to this critical component. Fun but tragic fact, it is much faster and cheaper to send your circuit design to China, get them to manufacture it and ship it to your home in India, than it is with an Indian company with plants in India. The time difference even with shipping involved is faster than depending on a local company. There is so much room for investment in this sector

 

[Butter Chicken]

We need at least 100+ PCB plants with multiple SMT lines running in this country. Seems like all the focus is on semiconductors without any big investment coming to this critical component. Fun but tragic fact, it is much faster and cheaper to send your circuit design to China, get them to manufacture it and ship it to your home in India, than it is with an Indian company with plants in India. The time difference even with shipping involved is faster than depending on a local company. There is so much room for investment in this sector

Aren't we already making PCB's?

 

[shade]

Aren't we already making PCB's?

Yes but read what he said, Chings beat us on time/cost/quality.
And that is while importing PCB from China after submitting design.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

We need at least 100+ PCB plants with multiple SMT lines running in this country. Seems like all the focus is on semiconductors without any big investment coming to this critical component. Fun but tragic fact, it is much faster and cheaper to send your circuit design to China, get them to manufacture it and ship it to your home in India, than it is with an Indian company with plants in India. The time difference even with shipping involved is faster than depending on a local company. There is so much room for investment in this sector

True

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Aren't we already making PCB's?

PRC has better pricing, quality, attitude, man-power and machining. PRC also offers better QC options. They provide X-Ray imaging free of charge while Indian vendors charge around ₹2500 per side.
Indian vendors can't solder all type of ICs. One Indian vendor was giving oral guarantee (marketing talk) that all components (including BGA packages) will be soldered properly and their is no reason for X-Ray verification.

PRC has better access to components and offer better pricing on said components.
Indian vendors tend to overcharge and have do regard to IP. They openly agree to reverse engineering in front of other clients. One vendor even had audacity to ask me for PCB schematic and firmware details.

Attitude of Indian vendors towards customer is also worst compared to PRC. Indian tend vendors to behave like they are doing some favor on their client.
Unless you are not a MNC or big government organization they don't treat you properly.

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

US company Micron scouts for a spot for semiconductor packaging factory

US company Micron scouts for a spot for semiconductor packaging factory

The Boise, Idaho-based technology company has visited two states to finalise the location of the new unit amid India's drive to ignite the semiconductor and allied sectors, the people added.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Gujarat and Tamil Nadu are on the radar. This one a Important investment for semiconductor ecosystem .

 

[Concard]

US company Micron scouts for a spot for semiconductor packaging factory

US company Micron scouts for a spot for semiconductor packaging factory

The Boise, Idaho-based technology company has visited two states to finalise the location of the new unit amid India's drive to ignite the semiconductor and allied sectors, the people added.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Gujarat and Tamil Nadu are on the radar. This one a Important investment for semiconductor ecosystem .

I hope it's Gujarat. TN is risky as these days they are threading the path of Bengal by protesting against industries like Nuclear plant, Sterlite copper, Neutrino project etc.

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

I hope it's Gujarat. TN is risky as these days they are threading the path of Bengal by protesting against industries like Nuclear plant, Sterlite copper, Neutrino project etc.

Yeah there has been some setbacks in Tamilnadu . But Tamilnadu also runs highest number of factories in india . And Sterlite copper plant came to Tamil Nadu's Tuticorin after facing rejection in Maharashtra, Goa, Gujarat . Just like kudamkulam nuclear plant protest , there was also protest against indo-us nuclear plant in Gujurat , andhra pradesh recently . We are all in same shit .

but i do want Gujurat to get it because TN getting semiconductor related investment from TATA . And that tower semiconductor which was supposed to invest in Dholera , later moved to karnataka as well .

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

MeitY receives 23 applications for PLI scheme for semiconductors

MeitY receives 23 applications for PLI scheme for semiconductors

Electronics and information technology minister Rajeev Chandrasekhar also told Parliament that the domestic production of electronic goods increased from $37 billion in 2015-16 to $74.7 billion in 2020-21

www.moneycontrol.com

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

Today minister Ashwini Vaishnav lunched chips 2 startup in IIT bhu





Gujurat semiconductor policy

Gujarat Govt unveils semiconductor policy, to set up Semicon city

The Semicon City will be created on 5,000-10,000 acres at Dholera Special Investment Region (SIR) where land, power and water will be provided at subsidised rates.

indianexpress.com

 

[proud_indian]

 

[shankyz]

Very interesting and detailed read on a $220 Billion Dutch chip-machine manufacturing firm ASML based on which likes of Intel/Samsung/TSMC depend on …literally.
We are light years behind ..eye-opening stuff :

 

[omaebakabaka]

Very interesting and detailed read on a $220 Billion Dutch chip-machine manufacturing firm ASML based on which likes of Intel/Samsung/TSMC depend on …literally.
We are light years behind ..eye-opening stuff :

Then focus on new direction and that is what smart countries and capable people do....just like you try to find chinks in stronger opponent when you can;t match the power....one needs to think in a different dimension rather than trying to recreate this mess. Indian's are very good in theory and not so much in being original or confident in application. Our system has stopped rewarding people and rather suppresses the original thinkers and now the west is competing with us.....some positive signs coming from our DRDO and ISRO but they label a lot and call it indigenous but I could be wrong.

Its funny chips getting smaller is leading to peoples brains getting even smaller in shaping the world.

 

[Blademaster]

We need to understate intimately and deeply of the paradigm, "There is more than one way to skin a cat". So what if ASML pioneered the EUV process to make semiconductors? We need to figure out another way to make faster computers using cheaper methods. That is how we can win. Of course it is easier said than done but we will never get out of the starting gate if we have a defeatist attitude.

 

[R1TTER]

Very interesting and detailed read on a $220 Billion Dutch chip-machine manufacturing firm ASML based on which likes of Intel/Samsung/TSMC depend on …literally.
We are light years behind ..eye-opening stuff :

Well considering there's just one source of EUV in the world pretty much everyone else is light years behind, including the US & Taiwan!

We need to understate intimately and deeply of the paradigm, "There is more than one way to skin a cat". So what if ASML pioneered the EUV process to make semiconductors? We need to figure out another way to make faster computers using cheaper methods. That is how we can win. Of course it is easier said than done but we will never get out of the starting gate if we have a defeatist attitude.

Not gonna happen unless you can license or steal the essential patents into making the machines or indeed the chips themselves, even the biggest thieves (the Chinese) in the world can't do both & trust me they've tried.

Right now unless we're willing to pour trillions, even over the course of say a decade or two, & forcing everyone in India to adopt home grown chips the Chinese approach (with their homegrown chipmakers) will not work for us! Our best bet as of now is to incentivize the likes of Samsung, TSMC or Intel to set up actual chip manufacturing here.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Well considering there's just one source of EUV in the world pretty much everyone else is light years behind, including the US & Taiwan!
Not gonna happen unless you can license or steal the essential patents into making the machines or indeed the chips themselves, even the biggest thieves (the Chinese) in the world can't do both & trust me they've tried.

Right now unless we're willing to pour trillions, even over the course of say a decade or two, & forcing everyone in India to adopt home grown chips the Chinese approach (with their homegrown chipmakers) will not work for us! Our best bet as of now is to incentivize the likes of Samsung, TSMC or Intel to set up actual chip manufacturing here.

Blah blah nonsense, all sorts of markets get disrupted. Fuck patents, no patent comes without breaking someone else's IP. Not formally registered does not mean there is no IP, colonial mindset about patents seems to have taken hold in your thinking. It is a matter of time for China to do it, they said the same thing about 5G, we know what happened with 5G, they got shit scared and their own laws (colonial bastards) are thrown in trash, open your eyes to get a perspective. They will say samething about Bharat too.....

 

[R1TTER]

The Chinese got ahead into 5G because of their experience with ZTE & Huawei, they're not necessarily dominating the space but they are super competitive there. For chipmaking they are getting closer through ARM, but Apple/Intel/AMD/Nvidia are still at least a notch above. As for ASML you have no idea what you're talking about, you know there's things which you can't just copy/paste & start making clones of! It literally took decades for them with years of experience & patents, patents is just a small part but experience is another critical element. Stop embarrassing yourself with the “Kehte hain agar kisi cheez ko dil se chaho … to poori kainath use tumse milane ki koshish mein lag jaati hai” BS - this isn't Bollywood melodrama

 

[fooLIam]

The Chinese got ahead into 5G because of their experience with ZTE & Huawei, they're not necessarily dominating the space but they are super competitive there. For chipmaking they are getting closer through ARM, but Apple/Intel/AMD/Nvidia are still at least a notch above. As for ASML you have no idea what you're talking about, you know there's things which you can't just copy/paste & start making clones of! It literally took decades for them with years of experience & patents, patents is just a small part but experience is another critical element. Stop embarrassing yourself with the “Kehte hain agar kisi cheez ko dil se chaho … to poori kainath use tumse milane ki koshish mein lag jaati hai” BS - this isn't Bollywood melodrama

ASML them self source from 4500 vendors and like Boeing is more of assembler.it’s best tech company but not something which can not be overcome or replicated.
don’t mind IP, these firangis them self stole tons of techniques.Trade secretes from china and Bharat.

 

[R1TTER]

Yes but how are you going to compete with their expertise in this field? Their closest competitors in Canon and Nikon gave up about half a decade back. You can replicate almost anything in this world but not that kind of experience, you are also underestimating the patents these guys have. Why do you think US was able to essentially bring the second biggest phone maker (Huawei) in the world to its knees?

If it were as easy or simple China would've done it, besides there's arguably much more money in Chip fabrication itself.

 

[Apollyon]

ASML them self source from 4500 vendors and like Boeing is more of assembler.it’s best tech company but not something which can not be overcome or replicated.
don’t mind IP, these firangis them self stole tons of techniques.Trade secretes from china and Bharat.

(ASML and) Boeing is more of an assembler?

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