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4. China's technology is light-years ahead of India's. China's semiconductor fab technology is at 28nm. India has ZERO semiconductor fabs. Your technology is NO nanometers.
We have no semiconductor plants because we didn't bother about it (production is not zero, we make it at small scale for scientific experiments, sometimes for satellites). We are now going to set up two plants in Prantji of Gujarat.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ent-veto-constrains-china.76947/#post-1184958

Over that, India also has developed 28 nm chips long back in 2011.:biggrin2:

SoCtronics tapeout first 28nm design from India

Sometimes @Martian gets ignorant but honestly, his threads were informative indeed except few errors.:D Without wasting time, let's start it.
@HariPrasad-1 @indiatester @Chinmoy @AnantS @ezsasa
I'm quoting the interested members here cuz they'll surely get notification by quoting if not by taggin.:p
I am pessimistic because I have seen this play out over and over for decades. One simple fact India is a high tech nation but India does not even have one semiconductor fab.( needed for most weapons that have electronics).
Waiting for that thread...with full details
And to everyone, thread is for discussing critical techs like semiconductor chips, lead batteries and processors (for Indian Super computers) etc.. No need to shove up washing machine like things here.:)
 

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Waiting for ISRO to come out with reports on Vikram processor.
What's the advancement we achieved in ANUPAMA?
 

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I wonder what type of chips are made and for what application...?
 

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In current labs, for satellites, launch vehicles and sometimes supercomputers.
I mean there are different chips with different names...i can't figure out what is used for what...
And we need FPGA's (Field Programmable gate array) F-35 uses these fpga's in huge numbers....
 

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What you will achieve when you make a 2 Petaflops supercomputer when previous one was just 220 terflops? Tell me.:biggrin2:
Seeing where current generation of super computers are going and what is our need, 2 PF is not something we should be aiming for. We should aim for around 10PF in another 5 year time.

With planned 2 PF, it would be mostly used for space research and tech. Our norm should be of atleast having 500 TF facility in leading educational and industrial complexes for relative R&D. What you say? :biggrin2:
 

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Seeing where current generation of super computers are going and what is our need, 2 PF is not something we should be aiming for. We should aim for around 10PF in another 5 year time.

With planned 2 PF, it would be mostly used for space research and tech. Our norm should be of atleast having 500 TF facility in leading educational and industrial complexes for relative R&D. What you say? :biggrin2:
500 Tera flops that's huge for educational institutes..they can't maintain it
 

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I mean there are different chips with different names...i can't figure out what is used for what...
And we need FPGA's (Field Programmable gate array) F-35 uses these fpga's in huge numbers....
Our current aim should be to strengthen domestic electronic capability with in house semi conductors. Then we could bridge the gap in between civilian and defence tech efficiently.
Leap frogging directly to defence field without a sound civilian field would not be in the best for the nation. We have already seen that in many other fields.
 

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500 Tera flops that's huge for educational institutes..they can't maintain it
Many of the IITs are currently operating 250 TF and they could easily accomodate double of it. Even NITs are getting Param series now. So we should up the ante in these premiere institutes and industries.

For rest cluster computing should be promoted.
 

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Our current aim should be to strengthen domestic electronic capability with in house semi conductors. Then we could bridge the gap in between civilian and defence tech efficiently.
Leap frogging directly to defence field without a sound civilian field would not be in the best for the nation. We have already seen that in many other fields.
I beg differ with you..most of defense chips are different and cannot be used for civilian purpose...so as a country India we need defense first rather than civilian...Many companies will sell electronics for civilian purpose but not for defense purpose..so we things for defense first
 
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Not from PrantJi but I found an interesting separate project.
India's first analog semiconductor fab in Madhya Pradesh

Building of semiconductor fab in India getting more real. Along with the two semiconductor fabs which have already got approved, the third semiconductor fab is expected to be constructed in State of Madhya Pradesh.
The U.S. based company called Cricket Semiconductor has agreed to invest US dollar 1 billion ( approx 6000 crore rupees) in building an analog integrated-circuit and power supply integrated-circuit specific semiconductor fab/foundry in Madhya Pradesh.
Cricket Semiconductor is a US-based company focused on the creation of a foundry with a footprint in India. Cricket Semiconductor says its goal is to establish India's first high-volume, globally competitive production wafer fab, accelerated by a mutually beneficial strategic relationship with a leading specialty foundry.
"Our mission is twofold—to build a wafer fab that can: Enable the electronics industry in India to use semiconductor products manufactured internally. Serve as the heart of an Indian ecosystem for electronics system design and manufacturing." said in the cricketsemi.com
The investment required for building analog semiconductor fab is comparatively less than most cutting-edge 28nm or even deeper node based digital semiconductor fabs. But the employment generation and the value creation is more significant for that investment.
Cricket semiconductor is estimated to create approximately 450,000 employment opportunities, with potential future economic impact of $40B over project life span.
IESA (India Electronics & Semiconductor Association) claimed it has played key role in enabling the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between Cricket Semiconductor and the Govt. of Madhya Pradesh for an analog fab proposed to be set-up in the state. IESA also said it is helping Madhya Pradesh for their investment promotion initiatives.
Madhya Pradesh recently approved the ‘Analog Semiconductor Fabrication Investment Policy’ that provides for free government land, reimbursement for the cost of building the shell of the manufacturing unit, 24X7 power supply from two separate power grids and quality water supply at the doorsteps of the FAB units at an internationally competitive price fixed for 10 years. With this new policy, the state government will extend support to any fab investment that exceeds Rs 3,000 crore ($500 million) in the state.
DeitY is also praised for formulating conducive policy framework. Policies such as Modified Special Incentive Package Scheme (M-SIPS) is working out well in attracting investors to India.
Emphasizing the need for fabs in India, Ashok Chandak, Chairman, IESA said, "The specialty fab will enable the electronics industry to better utilize the Indian skill sets, give fillip to start up's and enable innovations of electronic products designed in India at lower cost of technology development, lower investment cost and lesser risk. With Cricket Semiconductor team's deep experience in design, technology, and manufacturing of analog / power semiconductors, we hope to see the analog and power semiconductors being made in India very soon”.
“India has a large and fast growing electronics market. A specialty wafer fab focused on analog/power semiconductors is well suited to catalyse the Indian Electronics System Design and Manufacturing (ESDM) ecosystem. We are confident that we can establish a high-volume, globally competitive specialty wafer fab in India. We are thankful to IESA for their strategic insights and support for this project and help in finalizing the MoU with the Government of Madhya Pradesh towards making this a reality," said Lou Hutter, CEO, Cricket Semiconductor.
“This project differs fundamentally from typical wafer fab projects in several ways. The project outlay, at around INR 6000 crores, is less than less than 1/10th of a leading edge digital fab. The emphasis will be on processes and technologies that align to Indian as well as global requirements such as industrial and automotive. Importantly, the cost of analog / power semiconductor product development is significantly less than digital semiconductor products. This lowers the investment entry barrier for Indian entrepreneurs to bring innovative products to the market, stimulating the ESDM ecosystem and leading to the creation of many thousands of jobs,” he added.
Lou Hutter had long stint at Texas Instruments until 2007, and later at Dongbu Hitek from 2008-2012 as Senior Executive Vice President and General Manager of the Analog Foundry Business Unit.
Analog and mixed signal ICs are important in personal computers and mobile phones, but they are even more important in IoT driven embedded systems and other applications, where India can progress fast and become successful. A analog sound semiconductor fab in India fills the important missing block in the IOT eco space.
The other two IC chip fabs which are getting build in India includes:
1. Going to be established near Noida, U.P. is proposed by Jayprakash associates in partnership with IBM and TowerJazz. Technology nodes proposed by this group are 90, 65 and 45 nm nodes in Phase I, 28 nm node in Phase II with the option of establishing a 22 nm node in Phase III.
2. The other fab that is coming up near Gandhinagar, Gujarath is proposed by Hindustan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (HSMC) in partnership with STMicroelectronics and Silterra. Technology nodes proposed by this group are 90, 65 and 45 nm nodes in Phase I and 45, 28 and 22 nm nodes in Phase II.
With these three IC chip fabs, India definitely needs a memory semiconductor fab, we'll update you whenever there is an announcement related to memory semiconductor fab.
 
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Leap frogging directly to defence field without a sound civilian field would not be in the best for the nation. We have already seen that in many other fields.
Though, we use indigenous one already in space sector.
 

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fastest super computer is in china with 93 petaflops..They built it with cost of 273 million only and consumes 15MW...
 

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I beg differ with you..most of defense chips are different and cannot be used for civilian purpose...so as a country India we need defense first rather than civilian...Many companies will sell electronics for civilian purpose but not for defense purpose..so we things for defense first
Now there you said it in last line.
Let me cite one simple example. IAF is currently mulling to provide individual smartphones to each of their personals which would work solely inside the IAF range. Now they would have to sure look for some foreign OEM to deliver the hardware. Wouldn't it be more convenient if we could deliver home built phones to them? This is the first step of moving towards defence sector.
While building a particular smart phone, you have to develop ASIC for better data processing and functioning. Building a mission computer for any fighter jet with 100s of ASIC is much more complex then building some basic ASIC for a basic smart phone. So without developing a simple ASIC for smart phone, how come you could develop such complex ASIC for flight control or weapon firing of a fighter?
Developing relative technology in simpler civilian form would smooth out your way towards attaining mastery in complex defence field.
 

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