Indian Electronics and Semiconductor manufacturing industry

[Hari Sud]

What is causing Taiwan’s TCMS, Intel and South Korea not to participate in Indian $10 billion incentive program for Chip manufacture. We need them in India even if they manufacture lower or 28nm very popular chips. Long range prospects with these companies in India is better than lesser known chip manufacture. Already Vedanta has made unreasonable demands for 500 acres of free land, free water and power on top of $10 billion they want from the government for $3 billion costing plant.

I think Modi should directly talk to the major producers . If Chinese in Peking do not like us talking to Chinese in Taiwan then tough luck. We need this vital manufacture in India.

 

[johnj]

Ya'll Nibbiars memory business is even more harder. And only my few countries have this tech that's Why Japan still rule in this fields.

Can you explain Japanese dominance ?
I thought South Korea leading/having some dominance and they're new comers.

 

[Haldilal]

Can you explain Japanese dominance ?
I thought South Korea leading/having some dominance and they're new comers.

Ya'll Nibbiars there market share is still less and not that much significant consideration how much they investeds.

 

[Haldilal]

What is causing Taiwan’s TCMS, Intel and South Korea not to participate in Indian $10 billion incentive program for Chip manufacture. We need them in India even if they manufacture lower or 28nm very popular chips. Long range prospects with these companies in India is better than lesser known chip manufacture. Already Vedanta has made unreasonable demands for 500 acres of free land, free water and power on top of $10 billion they want from the government for $3 billion costing plant.

I think Modi should directly talk to the major producers . If Chinese in Peking do not like us talking to Chinese in Taiwan then tough luck. We need this vital manufacture in India.

Ya'll Nibbiars they are no Amerika to make the mistake most of their manufacturing site are in the registered country and only Processing, Tesing, Packaging facilities in other countries. And they are busy already Investing in other countries. And are we ready to provide 15 to 20 years tax breaks like Malaysia did in the early 90s?. And like that they have Semi Conductors Industry's there and even also manufacturing units. And along with low interest loans?. Almost covering half of the total Invetsments?.

The Texas provideded half of the 20 billion dollars for the new Samsung facility with subsidized loans through various banks. And plus 15 years tax holidays. And no restrictions in labour or Financials. The local county provides relief in local taxes and the state government ensured fixed low cost electric supply for undisclosed numbers of years with reductions in the water taxes. And of course subsidized land. And even after the tax breaks tue taxes would be lower than other manufactur8ng firms. We need more to attract that's. And Vandata demanded still not approved. And of you think vendata demands are illegaamat then we couldn't ever have a Semi Conductors Industry's. And vendata is asking for land under lease for some 50 plus years. Not asking to give free of costs. And electricity and water at subsidized rate for number of years. And leave alone 28 NM even if we get 90 NM or even 45 NM that would be great as most of non computation devices uses this and even for defence purposes this are enough. And also LED and other silicon related industries Invetsment would mean we succeeded

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars here some suprise for you many Fab operate fabrications, Processing and Testing facilities in Thailand and The Philippines. And even the North Korea has 22 NM manufacturing facilities for many years. We are nothing compared to thems. And the Philippines even have a home grown multi billion dollars Semi Conductors firms who specialize in Fabricatons, Processing and Testings.

 

[Hari Sud]

Ya'll Nibbiars here some suprise for you many Fab operate fabrications, Processing and Testing facilities in Thailand and The Philippines. And even the North Korea has 22 NM manufacturing facilities for many years. We are nothing compared to thems. And the Philippines even have a home grown multi billion dollars Semi Conductors firms who specialize in Fabricatons, Processing and Testings.

Why????

 

[Haldilal]

Why????

Ya'll Nibbiars because they started ahead of us and MMS didn't given enough subsidy to the NRI proposal who wanted to built Semi Conductors plant in India they had even raised half of the proposed 8 billion dollars Invetsments and wanted government to subsidized the rest with long term low interest loans which the GOI didn't provide instead made a 1 billion dollars subsidy offer which the NRI considered rejected. And like that we lost five years. And when nows. The Thailand and The Philippines even provided free land in early 90s for the semi conductor Industries.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

What is causing Taiwan’s TCMS, Intel and South Korea not to participate in Indian $10 billion incentive program for Chip manufacture. We need them in India even if they manufacture lower or 28nm very popular chips. Long range prospects with these companies in India is better than lesser known chip manufacture. Already Vedanta has made unreasonable demands for 500 acres of free land, free water and power on top of $10 billion they want from the government for $3 billion costing plant.

I think Modi should directly talk to the major producers . If Chinese in Peking do not like us talking to Chinese in Taiwan then tough luck. We need this vital manufacture in India.

It is not easy to get less than 28 nm fab plants in a first time itself. Because more the size of SC reduces it production cost exponentially increases. Even GOI knows this and that's why we put emphasis on 65, 45 and 28 nm (we put 28nm or <28 nm). These three sizes have pretty much stable for a long time so the setting up and production cost will be less thus the interested company can invest and also we can floor some money. But within the last decade the size of processor reduces from 28 nm to now just 5 nm, I heard about the processor size in smartphones during 2016 period as 22nm and now we have 5nm processors. (Just 5-6 years growth).

Also Display fab is another great area where we can have massive economics of scale since our consumer demand is massive and we have wide variety of applications for that. So we selected this as second venture.

Once this things started to materialize we will bring the next applications like GPU, DRAM, SSD etc.

Apart from that we also taking a good dive in RISC-V architecture which is a license free architecture compared to ARM or X86. Shakti uses this RISC-V architecture. So GOI is supporting this initiative to avoid possible dependencies on Intel and ARM. Also thisn helps our startups to invest in RISC-V since they don't need to pay hefty license fee and maybe utilize them for their products.

So be patient and it takes a decade (2020-2030) to have start semiconductor and various electronics manufacturing companies. This will effectively have a ripple effect in dependent field ( Maybe Indian mobile manufacturers finally come back).

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars any sane government would give what the vendata wants if they can show the money. We are late we are at a distance we can only fill this gaps with freebies.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars here some suprise for you many Fab operate fabrications, Processing and Testing facilities in Thailand and The Philippines. And even the North Korea has 22 NM manufacturing facilities for many years. We are nothing compared to thems. And the Philippines even have a home grown multi billion dollars Semi Conductors firms who specialize in Fabricatons, Processing and Testings.

Thailand has Fab since long time. They are leader in producing Hard Disks after Japan.

When did NK had Fab plant?? Is it in the tech zone setup by SK?

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars because they started ahead of us and MMS didn't given enough subsidy to the NRI proposal who wanted to built Semi Conductors plant in India they had even raised half of the proposed 8 billion dollars Invetsments and wanted government to subsidized the rest with long term low interest loans which the GOI didn't provide instead made a 1 billion dollars subsidy offer which the NRI considered rejected. And like that we lost five years. And when nows. The Thailand and The Philippines even provided free land in early 90s for the semi conductor Industries.

Not 90s but 80s. There was a Semi conductor Rush in South-East Asia during 1980s. Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam and many other countries got some part of the pie.

Even India managed to call few players and SCL was setup, however the political environment was not stable and Indian Semiconductor plans fell in disarray.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The Soviet were words leader in compures in the 60's but by 70's they become nothing thanks due to the Brezhnev who didn't understand the Importance of the computers. They once designed worlds class semi conductor but in the early 80's retreds to copy the Intel 8080s.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars The Mleechas helped thems. And they had the Semiconductor plant since 1960s due to the Soviet help they were leader them even head of the Amerikan. And only the berznoav policies destroyed the Sovie5 computer Industry in the early 70s.



Ya'll Nibbiars it was not till 90s that the planst started to functions. And they do only Packaging and testing not manufacturing.

SCL started producing some stuff in late 1980s only but they did not grow and political environment caused the foreign help to move out to other southern countries.

SCL then on was producing chips for domestic need from from various Defence projects mostly.

SCL still has a very big plant which govt needs to revamp and setup a new facility there.

 

[mokoman]

Ya'll Nibbiars here some suprise for you many Fab operate fabrications, Processing and Testing facilities in Thailand and The Philippines. And even the North Korea has 22 NM manufacturing facilities for many years. We are nothing compared to thems. And the Philippines even have a home grown multi billion dollars Semi Conductors firms who specialize in Fabricatons, Processing and Testings.

cant find any source for 22 NM , only source i can find says its 3000 nm . i doubt North korea can really make anything.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars The Soviet were words leader in compures in the 60's but by 70's they become nothing thanks due to tue Bezrove who didn't understand the Importance of the computers. They once designed worlds class semi conductor but in the early 80's retired to copy the Intel 8080s.

Soviets were far behind west always during 20th century. They did produce copies of whatever they could source from East German side but far far behind in electronics.

Most of their stuff was still electromechanical in even 1980s. They had time clocks for their space stations made using vacuum tubes compared to very lighter ones made from IC in west.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars The Soviet were words leader in compures in the 60's but by 70's they become nothing thanks due to tue Bezrove who didn't understand the Importance of the computers. They once designed worlds class semi conductor but in the early 80's retired to copy the Intel 8080s.

They though did envision a proto-Internet system well before US and EU. However their project of Internet was not given funds as Soviets directed most funds to the military projects.

 

[SKC]

cant find any source for 22 NM , only source i can find says its 3000 nm . i doubt North korea can really make anything.

I also doubt NK having any kind of Semiconductor units. Maybe SK setup something in the Tech Park they had made in NK during 2000s to use the ultra cheap NK labor.

The first Integrated Circuit was made in 1959 and there was crude semiconductor industry in 60s mainly for US Space program and for US Defense departments.

Most of the early breakthrough in Semiconductor Industry happened rather due to Space race then Defense purpose.

By 70s there were many US players making chips but Soviets had very basic form sourced from underground market in EU.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars in the computer they were headed in the 60s. And the western university mass funding stared in the 60s only due to this fear that the Soviet will ovre take them in the computers till then most of the computer research was aligned to the military funded projects.

The only superiority Soviets had was to make the copies of EU made computer in bulk but rather with vacuum tube and poor quality circuit boards.
They fell behind the race by 70s.

 

[Haldilal]

I also doubt NK having any kind of Semiconductor units. Maybe SK setup something in the Tech Park they had made in NK during 2000s to use the ultra cheap NK labor.

The first Integrated Circuit was made in 1959 and there was crude semiconductor industry in 60s mainly for US Space program and for US Defense departments.

Most of the early breakthrough in Semiconductor Industry happened rather due to Space race then Defense purpose.

By 70s there were many US players making chips but Soviets had very basic form sourced from underground market in EU.

Ya'll Nibbiars thats was due to Brezhnev. And if he hade died during the 1969 assimilation attempt the Soviet would had been a different places.

 

[SKC]

Ya'll Nibbiars thats was due to Brezhnev. Of he hade died during the 1969 assimilation attempt the Soviet would had been a different places.

The proto-Internet system they envisioned and made in small scale could have been revolutionary for the world , had the Soviet economy not gone into gutters in late 1970s.

They made the system well before ARPANet and DefenceNET of US which made the base of current Internet system we use around the world.