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‘India has arrived.’ Why Modi’s economy offers a real alternative to China

Analysis by Diksha Madhok, CNN
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Updated 11:06 PM EST, Mon February 26, 2024



Market watchers are hoping India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party wins a third term.

Market watchers are hoping India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party wins a third term.
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New DelhiCNN —
For the last three decades, Peeyush Mittal has frequently driven the 185 miles from the Indian capital to the city of Jaipur. The journey always took him six hours.
“For 30 years there’s been this promise of doing that journey in three hours. It has never been possible,” said Mittal, a portfolio manager at Matthews Asia, a San Francisco-based investment fund. “They’ve expanded the highway, gone from one lane to two lane to three lane, everything has been done. But that journey has always remained six hours.”
Except last year, when he cruised at 75 miles per hour on a new expressway connecting the two cities, and made the trip in half the time.



“My jaw dropped when I first time got on that highway. I was like, ‘Wow, man, how is this even possible … in India?” he said.
The quality of India’s new infrastructure is just one of many reasons why Mittal, who manages funds focussed on emerging markets, and other investors are excited about the country’s growth prospects.
Financial professionals around the world are noticing India’s development since 2014 under two-term Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who has said he wants the South Asian nation to become a $5 trillion economy by 2025.
The optimism around the world’s most populous nation is in stark contrast to the mood found in China, which is grappling with a myriad of economic challenges, including an accelerated flight of capital from the country.
Its stock markets have suffered a protracted slump since recent peaks in 2021, with more than $5 trillion in market value having been wiped out from the Shanghai, Shenzhen and Hong Kong bourses. Foreign direct investment (FDI) plunged last year, and fell again in January, down nearly 12% compared to the same month in 2023.
India’s stock market, meanwhile, is hitting record highs. The value of companies listed on India’s exchanges surpassed $4 trillion late last year.

The future appears even brighter. India’s market value is expected to more than double to $10 trillion by 2030, according to a Thursday report by Jefferies, which would make it “impossible for large global investors to ignore.”
“China is a no go, so … which is the other country that can maybe replace China?” said Mittal. “There’s no country like China other than India … in some form or fashion, it is the substitute that maybe the world is looking for to drive growth.”
Japan has benefited from investors seeking an alternative to China — Tokyo’s benchmark index hit a new high for the first time in 34 years last week, helped by improving corporate profits and a weak yen. But the country is stuck in recession and recently lost its position as the world’s third biggest economy to Germany.
The latest revision by global stock index compiler MSCI reflects the bullishness towards India. MSCI said this month that it would increase India’s weighting in its emerging markets index to 18.06% from 17.98%, while reducing China’s to 24.77%.
MSCI’s indexes help institutional investors worldwide decide how to allocate money and where to focus their research.
“India’s weight in the MSCI emerging market index was about 7% a couple of years back,” said Aditya Suresh, head of India equity research at Macquarie Capital. “Do I think that 18% [in the MSCI index] is naturally gravitating more towards 25%? Yeah, that’s kind of clearly where our conversations are leading us to believe.”
As India heads towards national elections in the coming months, market watchers are hoping that Modi’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party wins a third term, bringing greater predictability to economic policies for the next five years.
“If Modi is back with a majority and political stability is there, then I can certainly say with confidence that there’ll be a lot more investor interest in India on a more sustainable basis,” said Mittal.
The next global growth engine
There are good reasons for the euphoria around India. From a surging young population to humming factories, the country has a lot going in its favor.
The International Monetary Fund expects India to grow by 6.5% next financial year compared to 4.6% for China. Analysts at Jefferies expect the country to become the world’s third largest economy by 2027.
Much like China more than three decades ago, India is only at the beginning of a infrastructure transformation, spending billions on building roads, ports, airports and railways.
There is a “very strong multiplier effect” on the economy from the investments in digital and physical infrastructure, which “you cannot roll back,” Suresh said.
Labourers work at the 'Chennai Metro Rail project' construction site in Chennai.

Labourers work at the 'Chennai Metro Rail project' construction site in Chennai.
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The world’s fastest growing major economy is also trying to capitalize on the rethink underway among companies on supply chains. Global businesses want to diversify operations away from China, where they faced obstacles during the pandemic and are exposed to risks arising from tension between Beijing and Washington.
“India is a prime candidate to benefit from the ‘friend-shoring’ of supply chains, notably at the expense of China,” wrote Hubert de Barochez, a market economist at Capital Economics, in January.
As a result, some of the world’s biggest companies, including Apple (AAPL) supplier Foxconn, are expanding their operations in India. Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk said last June his company is looking to invest in India “as soon as humanly possible.”
“[Modi] really cares about India because he’s pushing us to make significant investments in India, which is something we intend to do,” Musk told reporters.
But some worry that India’s confidence may be bordering on hubris.
Is it worth the hype?
While interest in the world’s fifth largest economy is rising, the lofty prices of India’s stocks are scaring some international investors away.
Indian shares have always been expensive compared to other emerging economies, said Suresh, but now “the premium on the premium has expanded.”
Domestic investors, both retail and institutional, seem to be brushing aside these high valuations, driving India’s stock market to unprecedented peaks.
According to Macquarie, retail investors alone own 9% of India’s equity market value versus foreign investors at slightly under 20%. Analysts, however, expect foreign investments to pick up in the second half of 2024, once the election is out of the way.
Pedestrians walk past the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) building in Mumbai.

Pedestrians walk past the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) building in Mumbai.
Indranil Mukherjee/AFP/Getty Images

There’s another potential challenge. Despite its new economic swagger, India does not have the capacity to absorb all the money that is flowing out of China, whose economy is still about five times bigger.
China “has a few too many companies which are $100 and $200 billion plus [in value],” Mittal said. “It is difficult to find home for that kind of chunk of money in India.”
But the fact that India’s sizzling rally is driven by domestic investors adds to the country’s strengths and reduces its dependence on foreign fund flows.
“It just massively insulates India from global dynamics,” Suresh said.
Apart from geopolitical rifts and an uncertain economic outlook, foreign companies and investors have grown increasingly wary of domestic political risks in China, including the possibility of raids and detentions. Institutional investors are still very wary about buying Chinese stocks, even though many now look like a bargain.
“There are many good businesses in China, but with all the regulatory issues it becomes very difficult to predict what they will look like in the long run,” said Priyanka Agnihotri, portfolio manager at Baltimore-based Brown Advisory.
India, on the other hand, enjoys healthy relations with the West and other major economies, and is aggressively wooing large firms to set up factories in the country.
In her budget speech in February, Indian Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said FDI inflows since Modi first came to power in 2014 stood at nearly $600 billion, which is twice the amount during the previous decade.
“For encouraging sustained foreign investment, we are negotiating bilateral investment treaties with our foreign partners, in the spirit of first develop India,” she added.
Analysts say that it would hard to stop the economic juggernaut India has set in motion, irrespective of what happens to China.
“Even if China comes back to the table and resolves a lot of problems, I don’t think India is going back into the background anymore,” said Mittal. “It has arrived.”

Laura He and Anna Cooban contributed to this report.
 

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My guess,
Because in our country land / farmer ratio is very low , so they can't profitability produce these lentils or any other crop.
Arhtia whoresons also don't want to use their wealth to provide the facilities which can help small farmers with productivity,
here I think Govt should help them in creating a cooperative society, which would lend tractors, drones, pre-mid-post season tools to these farmers.

Looks like GoI was already onto it and also added whamen power angle..
 

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Looks like GoI was already onto it and also added whamen power angle..
driven by nano urea, it's a product of IFFCO.

The Indian Farmers Fertilizer Cooperative Limited (IFFCO) is a cooperative society that was founded in 1967 by the Indian government.
 

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Regardless of relations with India, I am getting very nervous regarding China's complete inability to push through the middle income trap and what it means for India.

They have already done a lot of things that we only fantasize about, such as building world class cities, bringing the entire manufacturing of the world to their country, having a large MIC, having decent education and healthcare throughout their country, largest high speed rail network, and the 2nd largest R&D spending in the world + stealing of tech.

Yet now they have practically stagnated. Their unemployment is rising, their youth is getting hopeless, real estate sector is collapsing, and most figures they release are bogus. If they have fallen flat in their growth despite all of their achievements, I'm getting nervous about what India's prospects are if we ever reach 10 trillion.

Are there things India is doing better that will allow us to avoid the middle income trap?
To escape the middle income trap, we need a tremendous investment in R&D with our own IP as well as lots of tech transfer from the west. So, one of the most important things IMO is to be in the good books of the Western governments(primarily the US) at least for the next 2-3 decades. China exaggerated its power greatly in the past few years with its 'wolf warrior' diplomacy etc, but just a few blows from the US brought ZTE and Huawei to their knees and now their semiconductor industry as well. China was already a massive $15T economy at that point but still couldn't do anything except taking repeated blows from the yanks.

Domestically we need to make massive reforms to the bloated bureaucracy, labour laws and reducing babudom for doing business etc, otherwise we'll start stagnating at somewhere between $6-8T with 3-5% growth rates. A lot of our growth is also driven by family owned oligarchical conglomerates, instead the growth needs to be more bottom up.

TBH though, first we atleast need to get to the level of Thailand with $6-7k per capita GDP. That in itself would be such a huge improvement to the life of an average Indian. Middle income trap comes at around $13-14k which is quite far away for now.
 

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What is this called?

receive 4.5 Lakh per month , pay 3.5 Lakh per year 🤡

here is the fact: they lie to customers about developers experience. 0-1 year exp Juniors are often portrayed as 5-10 years experience in the field.

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The 'fresher' didn't have to incur any costs to 'earn' that 3.5 lakhs per annum. All he had to do was show up at the work place and complete the tasks assigned to him. The company in turn would need a marketing & sales team + a competent core technical team in order to bag the project.

The company in turn incurs cost per employee in order to generate X revenue per employee.

If people feel so oppressed and underpaid, they are free to quit the company. Plenty of opportunities ... there are VC's waiting to shower cash for an original idea that can generate a steady stream of revenue.
 

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I dont even look at gdp per capita anymore far better indicator is GST collection to check the level of economic activity in each state.
This would put non-industrial states as bad. Most GST comes from industrial activity. See the difference between Punjab and Haryana. Or the low number from Kerala , Andhra or Waste Bengal. All non-industrial states. Of course the traditionally poor states are poor on GST per capita basis as well.
 

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Valid. Why has India so far failed to attract more American and european in general investment in this field, especially in electronic manufacturing in general? Almost all their investments are going straight to Vietnam, Malaysia and Thailand. Taiwan companies are bailing out the PLI scheme big time so far. More adjustments and improvements need to be done to diversify the investment pool. Most euro countries are setting up GCCs and design centers instead.
 

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Valid. Why has India so far failed to attract more American and european in general investment in this field, especially in electronic manufacturing in general? Almost all their investments are going straight to Vietnam, Malaysia and Thailand. Taiwan companies are bailing out the PLI scheme big time so far. More adjustments and improvements need to be done to diversify the investment pool. Most euro countries are setting up GCCs and design centers instead.
Why though? What does Malaysia have that Intel could not find in India? Talent, reliable power supply, water, logistics, export location, established supply chain? Whatever the gaps are, need to identify them and fix them asap. We have to vigorously compete with ASEAN for business. That is the only way to get to ASEAN PCI and development levels.
 

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Why though? What does Malaysia have that Intel could not find in India? Talent, reliable power supply, water, logistics, export location, established supply chain? Whatever the gaps are, need to identify them and fix them asap. We have to vigorously compete with ASEAN for business. That is the only way to get to ASEAN PCI and development levels.
Malaysia is much wealthier and nicer place to live than any part of India, especially for foreigners. They also have a 50 year headstart and a large existing manufacturing base. Infineon for example is setting up the world's biggest 300mm wafer factory there. Many companies are setting up plants there to circumvent US sanctions.


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This is Penang. Look how big the industrial estates are, located right next to the coast/port. Most of these factories are in electronics or semicon field
 

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Valid. Why has India so far failed to attract more American and european in general investment in this field, especially in electronic manufacturing in general? Almost all their investments are going straight to Vietnam, Malaysia and Thailand. Taiwan companies are bailing out the PLI scheme big time so far. More adjustments and improvements need to be done to diversify the investment pool. Most euro countries are setting up GCCs and design centers instead.
Vietnam, Malaysia already had ATMPs. Thailand has a fab. Only India is the "virgin" country.
 

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Malaysia is much wealthier and nicer place to live than any part of India, especially for foreigners. They also have a 50 year headstart and a large existing manufacturing base. Infineon for example is setting up the world's biggest 300mm wafer factory there. Many companies are setting up plants there to circumvent US sanctions.


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This is Penang. Look how big the industrial estates are, located right next to the coast/port. Most of these factories are in electronics or semicon field
true, you look at Malaysian cities and can see how organized they are. We will catch up with the likes of Malaysia and Thailand only in the early 30s, in terms of infrastructure and management.
 

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true, you look at Malaysian cities and can see how organized they are. We will catch up with the likes of Malaysia and Thailand only in the early 30s, in terms of infrastructure and management.
Private towns in India may get there but not government cities. No plans for massive investments in urban areas and nearby industrial parks have been announced like at the scale of railway and highways budget. Only Dholera appears to be the only modern manufacturing city attracting some semiconductors. All other states have no vision and have nothing close to a Dholera SIR - maybe AURIC in Maharashtra. Ideally cities like Chennai, Kolkata, Vizag, Bhubaneswar should be like these ASEAN port cities but with criminal and corrupt politicians and low human development public, these cities are nowhere as developed as ASEAN port cities. BJP and Mudiji has zero vision for rapid urban development renaissance. This is a major area the NDA government has totally failed. BJP’s urban development policies are piecemeal and lack any institutional structure and financing.
So, given there is no vision and nothing in BJP’s manifesto for 2024 general elections on mega urban development, I doubt our cities will be anywhere near top ASEAN cities.
 

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We need to simplify our Train sets. Dump all the Duranto, Tejas and other express. Just have Vande Bharat train, Vande Bharat Sadaran train and Vande Bharat sleeper train. This will cover all travel scenario for long distance and short distance for both low income people as well as people who want to pay more. If these trains all run at above 200 km/h would be a icing on the cake. Central government is revamping Railway stations and they need to quickly revamp railway tracks too to improve the speed of the trains.
Simplify in what sense...and affordability is another factor...
 

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