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All the developed world needs to do to avoid its repeated recessions and low growth, are

1) Stop printing and borrowing trillions for short term relief which only ends up in inflation that crushes the poor and middle class.

2) keep energy costs low, encourage as much drilling as possible with minimal taxes on energy. (Opposite of what they're doing). Do not get into dumb geopolitical games that severs energy ties to Russia, Iran and Venezuela.

3) Stop overregulating businesses, especially relevant for Europe.
 

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All the developed world needs to do to avoid its repeated recessions and low growth, are

1) Stop printing and borrowing trillions for short term relief which only ends up in inflation that crushes the poor and middle class.

2) keep energy costs low, encourage as much drilling as possible with minimal taxes on energy. (Opposite of what they're doing). Do not get into dumb geopolitical games that severs energy ties to Russia, Iran and Venezuela.

3) Stop overregulating businesses, especially relevant for Europe.
When some part of world goes into recession then other parts rise up.

During 90s there were problems with South-East Asia, Japan and US which led to rise of China.

Now it's time for India to rise up the ladder. We need to see how we can utilize this opportunity and gain most out of it.
 

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All the developed world needs to do to avoid its repeated recessions and low growth, are

1) Stop printing and borrowing trillions for short term relief which only ends up in inflation that crushes the poor and middle class.

2) keep energy costs low, encourage as much drilling as possible with minimal taxes on energy. (Opposite of what they're doing). Do not get into dumb geopolitical games that severs energy ties to Russia, Iran and Venezuela.

3) Stop overregulating businesses, especially relevant for Europe.
For third point, Europe's strict muh Quality Control in every single thing also doesn't help.
 

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When some part of world goes into recession then other parts rise up.

During 90s there were problems with South-East Asia, Japan and US which led to rise of China.

Now it's time for India to rise up the ladder. We need to see how we can utilize this opportunity and gain most out of it.
In the current system, it's easier for India to grow fast if western economies do well. This stuff comes back to dent our export and services growth.
 

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there is a correlation.

higher GDP translates to higher disposable income, higher disposable income translates to higher demand, higher demand translates to relatively high employment and productivity.
There is no doubt that there is a positive correlation between rising GDP and higher disposable incomes. However, my original point was that people, and the media in particular, are making the 5 trillion dollar economic benchmark as a significant milestone, and overtaking Germany and Japan as a major achievement.

But with a labor force of nearly 600 million, mostly in their mid-20s, a GDP of $5 trillion seems strikingly low. For context, Europe has a labor force of 480 million but boasts a collective GDP of $25 trillion. Notably, Germany, currently the 3rd largest economy, ranks only 18th in population and has a workforce of just 45 million people.

Our focus should mostly be on addressing the issue of skills gap, which could help tackle unemployability and low productivity.
 

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Also shit on Mahindra for niggles when Bolero is running like a tank for decades in Rural areas. Hype up the VW cars like something when DSG failures are prominent. Hyundai Creta had an catastrophic brake failure which went for few years before sorted out. I mean Japs are not going to bring some state of art car. Look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota nothing to Indian market. Only Suzuki is surviving because this is the cash cow. Even there it is always a measly 67hp to 102hp engine. On the other hand Mahindra outright have an insane Mstallion and Mhawk with crazy power figures. Tata decided to beat that good old peugeout engine. While killed their Varicor 400 which was a good engine. But on the brighter side, we are getting punch Ev with 121 bhp motor. Pocket rocket even VW polo cannot stand a chance.

Also recently shitting on Tata for Hybrids stance when across the world everyone jumping into EV and Toyota itself joining hands with BYD for 10+ EV for global markets. Looks like Japs want to dump Hybrids in India and on global level it will be EV for others. Why should India take an Hybrid approach when other parts of the world moving into EV.
Tbhp is an elitist forum. They live in their own Bubble.
 

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Also shit on Mahindra for niggles when Bolero is running like a tank for decades in Rural areas. Hype up the VW cars like something when DSG failures are prominent. Hyundai Creta had an catastrophic brake failure which went for few years before sorted out. I mean Japs are not going to bring some state of art car. Look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota nothing to Indian market. Only Suzuki is surviving because this is the cash cow. Even there it is always a measly 67hp to 102hp engine. On the other hand Mahindra outright have an insane Mstallion and Mhawk with crazy power figures. Tata decided to beat that good old peugeout engine. While killed their Varicor 400 which was a good engine. But on the brighter side, we are getting punch Ev with 121 bhp motor. Pocket rocket even VW polo cannot stand a chance.

Also recently shitting on Tata for Hybrids stance when across the world everyone jumping into EV and Toyota itself joining hands with BYD for 10+ EV for global markets. Looks like Japs want to dump Hybrids in India and on global level it will be EV for others. Why should India take an Hybrid approach when other parts of the world moving into EV.
With EVs Tata seems to have leapfrogged everyone in the indian passenger car market . They are selling their 3rd gen EV products right now with world class features like Vehicle to Home in Nexon.EV while the japs/koreans & others are twiddling their thumbs . They were caught with their pants down literally when Nexon EV was launched in 2020 & went on to sell > 60000 till now . Tata EV division sells more cars per month than Honda /MG /VW . By this Diwali we'll see next gen dual motor EVs like Curvv / Harrier/ Sierra with >200 hp/ 400nm & > 500 kms real world range @ 20-30 lakh budget . That'll be a game changer.

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There is no doubt that there is a positive correlation between rising GDP and higher disposable incomes. However, my original point was that people, and the media in particular, are making the 5 trillion dollar economic benchmark as a significant milestone, and overtaking Germany and Japan as a major achievement.

But with a labor force of nearly 600 million, mostly in their mid-20s, a GDP of $5 trillion seems strikingly low. For context, Europe has a labor force of 480 million but boasts a collective GDP of $25 trillion. Notably, Germany, currently the 3rd largest economy, ranks only 18th in population and has a workforce of just 45 million people.

Our focus should mostly be on addressing the issue of skills gap, which could help tackle unemployability and low productivity.
firstly let's understand that the 5 trillion $ target is largely a branding exercise for investors, especially foreign investors. if GoI says 250 lakh crore instead of 5 trillion $, their brains may not even register it, perhaps even brains of our english educated desi industrialists may not even register it.

examples of germany and europe comparisions do not work for us. low end manufacturing goods which pay low end manufacturing jobs, they don't have them, they simply import from asia. and India doesn't make high end products like lamborginis and passenger aircrafts. there is very little in common between europe and India, industries are different, currency is different, wages are different, living costs are different , hence shouldn't matter how their markets and skilling operates.

on skills gap, let's take a recent example of mobile phone manufacturing, 5 years ago there were hardly any workers who were skilled in that domain, now apparently there are 5 lakh and 2.5 lakh incoming in next few years, that's 7.5 lakh workforce getting added to manufacturing vertical. this is to say, it is the market that decides the skill sets, and there will be a lag between market demand and skilling depending on the type of industry. when ever mobile manufacturing industry feel that they see value in manufacturing mobile components domestically, it might add another 5 lakh jobs. India mobile phone manufacturing is around 3.5 lakh crore domestic industry, a major chunk of this money is going to chin.

as you said there are approx 60 crore eligible work force, of which manufacturing sector will probably handle only 10 crores, there is an upper limit to which domestic manufacturing industry all combined can absorb. which goes back to my original point, it's the disposable income that decides the demand.

if we had FTA with eu and U.S, Indian manufacturing would have been geared to handle their demand as well. but we don't, so for now it's not 60 crores that we need to worry about, just about skilling for 6-10 crores in manufacturing and another 7-14 crores in service industry, organised and unorganised combined.

if your final thought on this discussion, is that India should move up the value chain to drive revenues and skills up, then we agree.
 
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NameLocationProductInvestment (Crore)Jobs
VALS Developers Private LimitedSector 28Integrated IT, ITES and data centre11000300
Vivo Mobile India Pvt. Ltd.Sector 24Mobile assembling unit699038000
Fun Zoo ToysSector 33Toy manufacturing unit100020000
Newgen Software Technologies Private LimitedSector 24Software product development1000
Yingtong Electronics Technology IndiaSector 24USB data cables120
Q Line Biotech Pvt. Ltd.Sector 28Diagnostic medical device manufacturing plant500
Yashica InfotronicsSector 28Ultrasound machine and ventilator manufacturing unit205
PeroSphere IndiaSector 28Coagulometer reader and cuvettes manufacturing unit570
Vyakti Vikas Kendra IndiaSector 20Wellness centre100
SATS Food Solutions Pvt. Ltd.Sector 32Mega food production plant600
Haldiram Snacks Pvt. Ltd.Sector 32Food processing unit450
Yamuna International Airport Private Limited (Hotel)Noida International AirportHotel200
Yamuna International Airport Private Limited (Cargo & Logistics)Noida International AirportCargo and logistics hub600
Yamuna International Airport Private Limited (CISF Accommodation)Noida International AirportCISF accommodation facilities50
Dharampal Satyapal Ltd.Sector 23Milk products manufacturing unit400

Interesting lineup of investments that will break ground/inaugurate in YEIDA. These are all real companies, so it is highly likely that construction will begin on them. Vivo's one is an old investment and construction is complete (likely reported to hike numbers up). Yashica Infotronics is the only company that looks fake (cannot find any info of this company online)
 

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Why couldn't our annandattas produce lentils and other imported agricultural items??
My guess,

Because in our country land / farmer ratio is very low , so they can't profitability produce these lentils or any other crop.

Arhtia whoresons also don't want to use their wealth to provide the facilities which can help small farmers with productivity,

here I think Govt should help them in creating a cooperative society, which would lend tractors, drones, pre-mid-post season tools to these farmers.
 

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Tbhp is an elitist forum. They live in their own Bubble.
Some time back one of the Mod opened a thread on how the lounges in airports are being used by more and more people and how it is bad for these few elites of the country.
Fortunately, the other members gruelled them so bad that they closed the thread.

They could not digest the fact that more and more people are able to get credit cards and access the lounges. These few elites want all good things restricted to themselves.
 

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Average range is ~220 kms when I drive . If you're considering an EV I'd suggest Punch.EV Adventure LR variant @ 12.99 lakh ex showroom with ~ 300 kms real world range . It's value wise far better than any EV on the market.

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Punch.EV LR is now one of the best car in this category even including ICE cars. It has one of the most optimum price+features combination.
If anyone lives in City and occasionally travels out, then this could be the perfect option.
 

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Well said.
India should tell the whole world: India has no environmental issues, India workers are fully protected and well paid.
The problem is: does the world believes you and does the outside world care?
The world, that is the western world, trusts India for sure. Just look at the number of Indian JV companies doing hi-tech defense manufacturing for the west. These are critical components not manufactured anywhere outside NATO - except in India.
Also look at the GCCs setup in India by F500 companies. These are the highest grade R&D and office functions which if revealed will cause billions of dollars in financial damages. Yet they all have it in India and more are coming.
Chinese always forget that India has a massive and robust services sector that the CCP was never able to develop. So the pressure on India to become a manufacturing superpower is much less. The services sector in India and services exports are still growing at double digit rates. This is also the reason why India really does not need to real estate inflation or commodities overconsumption like China to boost GDP. India is a much more balanced economy that China can never be. This position puts a lot of trust in India as now you get value added services and manufacturing in one location. Again China can never get to this position.
 

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Some time back one of the Mod opened a thread on how the lounges in airports are being used by more and more people and how it is bad for these few elites of the country.
Fortunately, the other members gruelled them so bad that they closed the thread.

They could not digest the fact that more and more people are able to get credit cards and access the lounges. These few elites want all good things restricted to themselves.
Bruh please post a link
 

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