Indian Economy: News and Discussion

[Shuturmurg]

Most students should be looking at industrial skills based vocational training and not run after degrees. India needs a lot of highly skilled labor to build up industrial and urban India. NEP is aimed at this. U.P. has already fully implemented NEP.

We are not talking about higher education but basic schooling. Even for becoming indusstrial worker and getting vocational training you need quality primary education.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Nothing. Doesn't seem interested in improving as well, as his track record in Gujarat also doesn't show this.

Agreed. For being such a economically industrialised state, Gujarat's socio economic stats are horrendous. ASEr shows even Bihari rural school students having much better math and science skills than rural Gujjus.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Thermal plants currently under construction

 

[AnantS]

TASL and Mahindra Aerospace secure additional manufacturing deals from Airbus

Airbus signs contracts with Tata Advanced Systems Limited and Mahindra Aerospace Structures to procure commercial aircraft components in Hyderabad.

www.thehindubusinessline.com

We cry over no parts manufacturing and only assembly for electronics
We also cry over no final assembly and only parts manufacturing for commercial jetliners.

We cry for no major sub assembly/parts manufacturing here. We are just manufacturing nip and tuck parts for now. Assembling an aircraft - automajically throws up need for manufacturing/local sourcing of many components which fertilizes many ancillary incs.

Boink and Airfarts wont set up finally manufacturing plant until India shows grit by starting such prog inhouse and throws in money like Ganga to setup ancillary industries - Kinda like LCA. You to pull your country up for investment in critical areas. Even china did the same.

 

[angryIndian]

We are not talking about higher education but basic schooling. Even for becoming indusstrial worker and getting vocational training you need quality primary education.

The thing is that even for working in the manufacturing sector these days you need to have at least ITI level of education.

You cannot randomly pick an agricultural worker and put him in factories because even fitting nuts and bolts in an industrial setup is very different from that at home,it requires an understanding of basics of physics and maths and concepts like force, torque, pitch, pitch angle, and pitch diameter.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

This is the thing people fail to understand, without improving primary education, India will always remain a laggard and a backbencher country.

If an 18-year-old cannot do class -3 level math and cannot determine things as simple as time or read a simple sentence correctly,then there is something very wrong with the country.

Most of these rural children will never go to college, probably drop off even before completing class 10, and then end up becoming casual laborers and a huge burden on the country's fiscal resources.
And Instead of a demographic dividend,we might end up with a massive demographic nightmare.

main problem for rural education weak position is "situation of government schools"...they cant compare with private schools. private schools mostly build in urban areas, many r runs by missionaries. they hv complete monopoly in schools.
government hv to improve government schools in rural areas nd even urban areas. rural population is fully depend in government schools, whose condition is bad. although online classes r helping some.

 

[ezsasa]

And what has this government done in 10 years to start fixing this? absolutely nothing. Government schools are as broken as they were decades back with shoddy infrastructure. Go and compare the quality and infrastructure of government schools in China and with us. You will see which country actually cares about its youth. Here is a interesting thought. Rural china had a similar issue 20 years back. Rural schools barely taught stuff and many could not spell their own names. They had a long campaign to shut down rural schools and consolidate students in larger schools in towns where they can standardise quality better. It seemed to have some initial issues but this is something India needs to do in rural areas/ Most village schools in India are of garbage quality and people are increasingly sending their kids to private/church run schools.

China's rural education at risk- China.org.cn

Although the sample size of ASER is only 3000 students in 1-2 districts per state, i have yet to see a single survey which showed Indian students to be any smarter than that, which is the scary fact.

before 2015, there was no national level govt survey to measure learning outcomes in schools. they were only counting numbers of teachers, schools, money spent on education kind of data. NGOs used to have a field day with their reports, driving policy as per their agenda.

India is not going to be another china, that much should be clear by now. if china is going to be the yard stick, folks cannot pick bits and pieces as per convenience, it's the whole package starting with cultural revolution.

 

[mamamia12]

India should simply ban these humanities degrees

> Mofos pursue this trash
> Then do randirona everyday over unemployment
> Become deranged commie f⍺ggots.
> Pretend as if no jobs have ever been created since independence
> Net negative to the nation

And what has this government done in 10 years to start fixing this? absolutely nothing. Government schools are as broken as they were decades back with shoddy infrastructure. Go and compare the quality and infrastructure of government schools in China and with us. You will see which country actually cares about its youth. Here is a interesting thought. Rural china had a similar issue 20 years back. Rural schools barely taught stuff and many could not spell their own names. They had a long campaign to shut down rural schools and consolidate students in larger schools in towns where they can standardise quality better. It seemed to have some initial issues but this is something India needs to do in rural areas/ Most village schools in India are of garbage quality and people are increasingly sending their kids to private/church run schools.

China's rural education at risk- China.org.cn

Although the sample size of ASER is only 3000 students in 1-2 districts per state, i have yet to see a single survey which showed Indian students to be any smarter than that, which is the scary fact.

The point is china has massive amounts of urban metropolises where CCP can scram as much population as it could. It leads to concentration of resources opposite to spreading out like in India. Every small village needs a school here which leads to substandard infrastructure and more importantly administration.Even if we assume that same number of schools in China and India, India's schools spread apart is very hard to manage,inspect and administer so corruption or lazy attitude of teachers gonna prevail. Instead of spending 100 crores to construct a world class school for 1000 pupils we would have to spread that out to half-assedly constructed 10 schools each with budget 10 crores. Also, the substandard teachers present in these schools is a nightmare to behold. I don't even know from where these maggots(60-80% other 20% are gems) gets selected with their nightmare-level teaching skills. Even an engineering student can explain concepts clearly. Also burdening the pupils with vast syllabus also not gonna help.

 

[angryIndian]

before 2015, there was no national level govt survey to measure learning outcomes in schools. they were only counting numbers of teachers, schools, money spent on education kind of data. NGOs used to have a field day with their reports, driving policy as per their agenda.

India is not going to be another china, that much should be clear by now. if china is going to be the yard stick, folks cannot pick bits and pieces as per convenience, it's the whole package starting with cultural revolution.

This same ASER carried out a survey in 2013 and results were almost the same as it is today

In India, Revealing the Children Left Behind

A nationwide, door-to-door testing initiative has become a mobilizing force for better-quality education.

archive.nytimes.com

https://img.asercentre.org/docs/Publications/ASER%20Reports/ASER_2013/4-pagers/enrollmentandlearning_english.pdf

The key difference between India and China is that the latter never compromised on Health and Education even when it was poor whereas India is compromising on it when it has become considerably richer.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This same ASER carried out a survey in 2013 and results were almost the same as it is today

In India, Revealing the Children Left Behind

A nationwide, door-to-door testing initiative has become a mobilizing force for better-quality education.

archive.nytimes.com

https://img.asercentre.org/docs/Publications/ASER%20Reports/ASER_2013/4-pagers/enrollmentandlearning_english.pdf

The key difference between India and China is that the latter never compromised on Health and Education even when it was poor whereas India is compromising on it when it has become considerably richer.

I would say this gov is doing a good job on Healthcare Consideing the no of hospitals being opened in this decade but that could be result of growing budget.

Health, education and Security are state subjects so can't help it unless something major is changed.

 

[IndianHawk]

The point is china has massive amounts of urban metropolises where CCP can scram as much population as it could. It leads to concentration of resources opposite to spreading out like in India. Every small village needs a school here which leads to substandard infrastructure and more importantly administration.Even if we assume that same number of schools in China and India, India's schools spread apart is very hard to manage,inspect and administer so corruption or lazy attitude of teachers gonna prevail. Instead of spending 100 crores to construct a world class school for 1000 pupils we would have to spread that out to half-assedly constructed 10 schools each with budget 10 crores. Also, the substandard teachers present in these schools is a nightmare to behold. I don't even know from where these maggots(60-80% other 20% are gems) gets selected with their nightmare-level teaching skills. Even an engineering student can explain concepts clearly. Also burdening the pupils with vast syllabus also not gonna help.

Slow urbanization has been very disastrous for Indian economy. Hopefully now massive infrastructure spending will lead to major expansion of cities and new cities and above mentioned issues will be sorted.

 

[ezsasa]

This same ASER carried out a survey in 2013 and results were almost the same as it is today

In India, Revealing the Children Left Behind

A nationwide, door-to-door testing initiative has become a mobilizing force for better-quality education.

archive.nytimes.com

https://img.asercentre.org/docs/Publications/ASER%20Reports/ASER_2013/4-pagers/enrollmentandlearning_english.pdf

The key difference between India and China is that the latter never compromised on Health and Education even when it was poor whereas India is compromising on it when it has become considerably richer.

as far as i am concerned, don't care about foreign NGO funded reports.

if the discussion is about what gormint is doing, National Education policy 2020 is what they are doing, they say they want to focus on learning outcomes and skilling. like any govt policy in this country, to see nationwide results, it takes atleast 15-20 years.

if the discussion is about skilled manpower for industry, from a policy perspective manufacturing was not a priority ten years ago. now that manufacturing is in focus, we can hope that industry workforce demand will drive changes in education requirements as well.

as far as china comparisons is concerned, or comparisons with other countries selectively on topics are concerned, i disagree with such comparisons. it usually ends up being a India bashing exercise.

 

[shade]

India should simply ban these humanities degrees

> Mofos pursue this trash
> Then do randirona everyday over unemployment
> Become deranged commie f⍺ggots.
> Pretend as if no jobs have ever been created since independence
> Net negative to the nation

Except in the post you quotes it's some Haryana walas wanting to go to Yahudiland to work
Qaummunist degree chaps don't work, unless you consider spreading propaganda as work.

 

[The Juggernaut]

 

[shade]

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[Atavistic]

Domestic car makers resist entry of Tesla.

"It should be a level playing field and investing in India is important," Mahindra Managing Director Anish Shah told Reuters in an interview at the WEF. "Our approach is essentially to create a stronger industry in India, and not to be in a situation where manufacturing is done outside India, and India just becomes an importer of products," he added.

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[Atavistic]

 

[dfcool]

 

[ezsasa]

India is not going to be another china, that much should be clear by now. if china is going to be the yard stick, folks cannot pick bits and pieces as per convenience, it's the whole package starting with cultural revolution.

just to close this point on copying china style top down policies to get china styles results. even if we are to assume, India will have to go thru the same political process of commies doing a china in India starting with cultural revolution to get to where they are now, it will not work, it would be a mess.

chinese communists are chinese nationalists, ironically Indian communists are also chinese nationalists, and Indian marxists are mix of american + british nationalists with che guevara posters on their walls, they know more about murican and european talking points than Indian useful talking points.

 

[MuffleParch]

main problem for rural education weak position is "situation of government schools"...they cant compare with private schools. private schools mostly build in urban areas, many r runs by missionaries. they hv complete monopoly in schools.
government hv to improve government schools in rural areas nd even urban areas. rural population is fully depend in government schools, whose condition is bad. although online classes r helping some.

True. The government must invest and manage the health care and public schools in the rural area.

Howeve, if you take the example of US, the government throws a lot of money at the inner-city schools. But the children and parents do not prioritize education as the highest priority. The schools end up graduating these kids who can't put two words togther. My wife teaches at a college and she says the quality of innercity kids who come to the college are just unbelievably atrocious. Yes, they can't do 3+3.

In this case, the government can't force kids to learn and the government can't change the mindset of parents.