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RoaringTigerHiddenDragon

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I ve seen countless stupid stuff and agenda paddling by toi-let recently they were paddeliing Neo Buddhist venom through their op ed
ToI-let news depends on government advertising for revenues. So peddle garbage that they think the government PR department likes. They have always done this. They were peddling even more garbage during Congi times like in MMS UPA1 they fanned stupid things like Mumbai will beat Shanghai in a few years, India will be superpower by 2020 etc - all this when half the country was open defecating and Congis were running scams after scams. They think they are The NY Times - the paper of record - of India but in reality they are an absolute garbage. The quality of their op-Ed and news is very poor. In any case who listens to news from MSM these days. It is all citizen journalists and YT channels.
 

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contrarian opinion would be, anyone who used to get pissed off at poverty porn and fragile five narratives that used to get generated using India will want to show a middle finger to those old tropes, it's about proving a point.

let's assume no one from India bothers about GDP numbers in USD, that doesn't mean others will. they will keep generating narratives whether we like it or not, they have to be countered, otherwise it hurts India's brand value.

some of the truisms here are :

- there will always be people who are betting on India and people betting against India
- we have to do our own marketing, no body is going to do it on our behalf.
Many sites giving the data 4T for India.
 

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May be India reached 4T at some point, not at stable point.
How they reached this number?
To get to 4 Trillion last four quarters GDP data is required, India is yet to release data for current quarter and if we add all the data released for last 4 quarters no we are not there.
India should reach the 4 Trillion dollar mark by 3rd quarter of next financial year if no significant drop in value of rupee.
 

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May be India reached 4T at some point, not at stable point.
technical formula and related discussions will be available on the internet, you may look into it yourself.

one point i can add, is that same discussion happened when GDP was 1.86 in 2015-16. at that time discussion was whether GDP crossed 2T or not.

on the internet, as a general principle people will find what they want to see.
 

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if there is a link to random website, it's spam.
 

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Second quarter GDP data will be out towards the month end.

RBI hinting that we clocked over 7%, many others are saying we crossed 8% in Q2. Lets wait for the official data.

RBI has been quite accurate with their growth and inflation projections. They spoke about a slowdown by Q3-Q4 in GDP growth and stubborn inflation which would take time to go lower.


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www.livemint.com/economy/the-fine-print-of-october-inflation-data-in-three-charts-11700025274626.html

India’s retail inflation is on a downward trajectory, with the print falling to a four-month low of 4.87% in October from the most recent high of 7.44% in July. However, there is little reason to cheer as price pressures have increased for the first time in three months. On a month-on-month basis, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) increased 0.65%, after having declined 0.05% in August and 1.13% in September.

This shows that prices were firmer in October compared to the previous month. More worryingly, the major sequential rise came from the food segment, the index for which rose 1.06% (including a substantial 3.38% rise in vegetables) after two months of decline.

Despite the rise, food and vegetable inflation have moderated on a year-on-year basis due to a favourable base effect (last year, prices had risen at a faster rate in these months). However, going forward, the overall base will turn unfavourable until December. That means, even without any change in prices, inflation will rise to 4.99% in November and 5.46% in December, Mint calculations show. While prices tend to decline in November and December following the arrival of kharif crops in the market, the adverse base “will somewhat restrict the downside to inflation for two months", according to Crisil.

The play of price pressures and base effect in the coming months could keep the monetary policy committee (MPC) on its toes until its trajectory towards the medium-term aim of 4% becomes clear, economists said.

Food fury
What is keeping inflation still elevated is the higher prices of food items even as core inflation, which excludes food and fuel, has been consistently easing. While spikes in vegetable prices (tomato prices in June and July) had made the situation worse temporarily, stickiness in some other food prices have become a cause of concern, especially in the context of low production in the country due to lower-than-expected rainfall.

Prices of cereal and related products have eased but remain in double digits, and the bigger worry is the sharp rise in prices of pulses, which continue to escalate, with their inflation touching a near three-and-a-half year high of 18.79%. Inflation for spices continues to remain as high as 22.76%. Eggs and fruit inflation have escalated to 9.3% in October, recording a sharp rise compared to the previous months. The stickiness of food items other than vegetables has not only proven a headache for the central bank’s rate-setting panel but also for the common public ahead of the general elections scheduled next year.

Moreover, the prices of some of the food items such as pulses, sugar and cereals are still rising. While any possible effect from the downward recovery in tomato prices has faded now, a surge in onion prices is spelling trouble now.

False alarm?
After tomatoes became the lead villain in inflation going past the 7% mark earlier this year, it’s now the turn of onions. The commodity began witnessing inflation from June, coming off a 21-month deflationary period. In October, onion prices rose 42% year-on-year. Despite a miniscule weightage of 0.64% in the CPI basket, onions are notorious for adding volatility to headline inflation. In December 2019, they alone had lifted the headline figure by over 200 basis points. In October, onions added 27 bps and could continue to be an upward force to inflation in November—but only for some time.

“The onion price-driven surge in headline inflation is unlikely to last, as similar episodes have typically lasted for 2-3 months, before reversing," said Nomura in a report on Monday. “The bigger challenge is the intermittent food price shocks that keep pushing headline inflation higher—as is likely in November—and the risk that this may influence inflation expectations," it added.
 

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Some interesting facts:
- Aussie Stock Exchange (ASX) started the project with a bing-bang approach. All or nothing. That project failed to take off. About A$200 million is written off.
- A startup company in New York was supposed to deliver the software.
- Currently being investigated by the Aussie Security Commission
- The new project will be taken up in a phased manner with the first phase costing around A$105 million
- TCS software is currently used by several exchanges around the world including Finland and Canada.

 

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What do you think Hong Kong is? It is not the source of money. American investments are routed through financial intermediaries in HK. I thought journalists are stupid but did not realize how ignorant CCP bots are as well. lol.
Oh, yes, people not knowing history will imagine that US companies made big investment in China through Hong Kong in before 2000.
The fact was not like that.
1. In 1980-1990s, the most of the business that Hongkong invested in China were factories producing textile, shoes, toys, small machines/hardware. Generally these businesses were run by Hongkongers or overseas Chinese in other Asian countries. US or Europe already quite out these industries quite long time ago, at least in Asia.

2. By 1995, the total investment from US in Hongkong was only $10.5B.
In 1995 alone, China received $35.85B FDI from the whole world. If anyone believe that US was the major investor in China through Hongkong just kid himself.
The U.S. Role During and After Hong Kong's Transition (upenn.edu)
China Foreign Direct Investment 1979-2023 | MacroTrends

3. If you check the foreign direct investment in Hongkong since 1970, you can see the real taking off was started after 2000.
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Hong Kong Foreign Direct Investment 1970-2023 | MacroTrends
 
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Generally these businesses were run by Hongkongers or overseas Chinese in other Asian countries. US or Europe already quite out these industries quite long time ago, at least in Asia.

You are very disingenuously conflating,
"who used to operate" with "who used to fund".

By 1995, the total investment from US in Hongkong was only $10.5B.
In 1995 alone, China received $35.85B

10.5 via HK + 3 direct (8% of 35.5 as your previous table) = 13.5B

14/35 B$ (40%) coming from single country alone , about 90% if we include the US vassal EU and Japan , Taiwan.

I don't find your data set desputing anywhere that China was not being propped up since early 90s itself.

Make your next quote on this topic in China economy thread.
 

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Some interesting facts:
- Aussie Stock Exchange (ASX) started the project with a bing-bang approach. All or nothing. That project failed to take off. About A$200 million is written off.
- A startup company in New York was supposed to deliver the software.
- Currently being investigated by the Aussie Security Commission
- The new project will be taken up in a phased manner with the first phase costing around A$105 million
- TCS software is currently used by several exchanges around the world including Finland and Canada.

Bombay Stock exchange was done by HCLTECH. HCL is running many big govt projects in Australia.

Wonder how they failed to get this project!!
 

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Are they going to sell the CBU model 3. Going to cost a bomb in India. Also luxury market is small.

Setting up factory for export. For that Tesla needs to bring their supply chain here. Unless they build an car in 15 to 25 l range, chances are low to say.
 

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Are they going to sell the CBU model 3. Going to cost a bomb in India. Also luxury market is small.

Setting up factory for export. For that Tesla needs to bring their supply chain here. Unless they build an car in 15 to 25 l range, chances are low to say.
I suspect that’s where they will start building the $25k car and make India the linchpin of those $25k car plans.
 

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After watching Tesla ownership reviews with a breakdown of basic maintenance costs(not accidents of course) included over a five year period, makes a ton of sense for daily car commuters to switch to EV, Tesla in particular if and when it is available.

There may be horror stories beyond the rosy picture but hey, jab kismat gandu toh kya karega pandu. Same providence can screw your happiness with your fossil fuel car too.

Hope Musk buys out Ola and uses his gigafactory experience to scale up electric two wheelers. Will be super profitable in India where more than 65% petrol is consumed by two wheelers.
 

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