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Top US trade body to help India become global chip manufacturing hub . Semiconductor industry Association of USA which represent 99% of usa semiconductor industry signed MOU with indian electronics and semiconductor association .

 

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Deep tech is technology companies who are mainly funded to create disruptive technologies and their traction is measured s as progress against their roadmap. They don’t necessarily make a lot of revenue, but are able to grow into profitable business once their tech is commercialized. Some examples are the quantum computing startups, autonomous driving, biotech, food tech and robotics startups.
Israel startups are mostly deep tech since that country does not have the population for economies of scale for service based start ups like Flipkart, Zomato, Phonepe etc. Here are few examples of their startups.

Waze -> sold to Google for $1 billion. Today Google maps incorporates all the features in Waze. Waze still operates as an autonomous entity.

Mobileye -> Sold to Intel for $15 billion. Provides cameras and sensors for self driving cars.

Mellanox -> Sold to Nvidia for $7 billion. Provides hardware for compute clusters. Operates in High performance computing space.

Tower semiconductor -> Recently sold to Intel. manufactures integrated circuits using specialty process technologies, including SiGe BiCOMS, mixed-signal and RFCMOS, CMOS image sensors, non-imaging sensors, power management and non volatile memory (NVM) as well as MEMS capabilities.

Most of Israeli startups have valuable Intellectual property. That is why they get mopped by big American tech companies. Intel itself has acquired a total of 7 Israeli startups. There are many more in cyber space since Israel is one of the leaders in cyber security.

 

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HCL Co-Founders Ajai Chowdhry And Arjun Malhotra have announced the formation of EPIC (Electronic Products Innovation Consortium) . objective is to create Indian Electronics products and Indian Brands in high-impact/high-Volume categories and manufacturing semiconductor chips by scaling volume of Indian Electronics products.

 

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HCL Co-Founders Ajai Chowdhry And Arjun Malhotra have announced the formation of EPIC (Electronic Products Innovation Consortium) . objective is to create Indian Electronics products and Indian Brands in high-impact/high-Volume categories and manufacturing semiconductor chips by scaling volume of Indian Electronics products.

A 'Made in India' 10.1 Inch tablet for education based on AI/ML driven inter-lingual translation across Indian Languages (Voice-2-Voice, Text-2-Text etc.) is incoming . Looks like ll be used for educational purposes .
 

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We lost the Mobile space with useless players like Micromax, Celkon, Karbonn, Lava, XOLO,Yu etc. These folks even put 10% of their profits in R&D during their peak period we can have some good Indian Mobile brands. But sometimes too much salesman attitude destroyed them. Now they are struggling to regain the market from Chinese.

Similar fate is awaiting for current Wearables companies Boat, Noise, pTron should use their current market domination to invest in factories, R&D etc. to sustain otherwise we can expect a same treatment by Chinese players who will destroy it easily.
 

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We lost the Mobile space with useless players like Micromax, Celkon, Karbonn, Lava, XOLO,Yu etc. These folks even put 10% of their profits in R&D during their peak period we can have some good Indian Mobile brands. But sometimes too much salesman attitude destroyed them. Now they are struggling to regain the market from Chinese.

Similar fate is awaiting for current Wearables companies Boat, Noise, pTron should use their current market domination to invest in factories, R&D etc. to sustain otherwise we can expect a same treatment by Chinese players who will destroy it easily.
Slapping your logo on cheap chinese imports is much easier to do you have to basically just build a brand and you don't have to worry about other things on the other hand actually producing your products is a whole different ball game specially because if one wants to do it he has to start it from scratch as the components won't be readily available here
 

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The Post-Pandemic Surge? Six MNCs Open India Centres In March 2022
 

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Greenko to Set up Electrolyser Gigafactory

4 min read . 01:05 AM ISTUtpal Bhaskar


  • This facility will be the world’ largest electrolyzer giga factory outside China, and has the potential to help replace around 8% of India’s annual liquified natural gas (LNG) imports.

NEW DELHI : Greenko Group and Belgium’s John Cockerill plan to set up a 2 gigawatt (GW) electrolyzer factory in India, one of the world's largest, through their joint venture. The factory will require an investment of $500 million, according to a person aware of the development.

This facility will be the world’ largest electrolyzer giga factory outside China, and has the potential to help replace around 8% of India’s annual liquified natural gas (LNG) imports. This assumes significance from the energy security perspective, given that India imports 85% of its oil and 55% of natural gas requirements. This also comes in the backdrop of global flash-points such as the ongoing Russia-Ukraine crisis that has added to the uncertainty in the international energy markets.

“The Gigafactory will include the full manufacturing electrolyser value chain including state of the art nickel coating and will produce electrolysers delivering H2 at 30 bars at the outlet at the highest purity level," the firms said in a joint statement on Monday.

Greenko Group’s JV with John Cockerill for electrolyzers is part of its green hydrogen and ammonia manufacturing plans. The Hyderabad-based Group also plans to set up a 1 million tonnes per annum ammonia manufacturing plant for exports.

“Greenko ZeroC (GZC), a subsidiary of Greenko Group, a leading Indian cleantech company, and John Cockerill, a world-leading designer and manufacturer of high-capacity alkaline electrolyzers in Belgium, signed an exclusive Framework Agreement to jointly manufacture green hydrogen electrolyzers in the Indian sub-continent," the joint statement said.

Green hydrogen is produced by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen using an electrolyzer powered by renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. India’s total hydrogen demand is expected to touch 11.7 million metric tonnes (mmt) by 2029-30 from the current 6.7 mmt. Around 54% or 3.6 mmt of India’s annual hydrogen consumption of 6.7 mmt is utilized in petroleum refining and the rest in fertilizer production. This is, however, ‘grey’ hydrogen produced from fossil fuels such as natural gas or naphtha.

“GZC and John Cockerill will combine their strengths to collaborate in all spheres of market evolution for green hydrogen electrolyzers, which converts clean energy into carbon free hydrogen. The pressurized alkaline technology provided by John Cockerill and being the best adapted to the “large scale" hydrogen applications along with Greenko’s lowest cost RE-RTC (round the clock) solutions will enable the lowest Levelized Cost of Hydrogen (LCOH) necessary for the implementation of a large H2 ecosystem on the Indian subcontinent," the statement said.

Backed by GIC Holdings Pte Ltd, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and Japan’s ORIX Corp., Greenko has India’s largest operational clean energy portfolio of 7.3 GW and is building 30 GWh of storage capacity as part of its plan to set up an energy storage cloud platform of 100 GWh.

“John Cockerill is, among other technologies, developing the world’s highest capacity electrolysers (6.5 MW commercial with envisioned engineering to go upto 20 GW) and manufacturing facilities across the globe," the statement said.

This comes at a time when India has notified its new ‘Green Hydrogen Policy’ that entails concessional green electricity, inter-state transmission charges waiver, land in renewable energy parks and manufacturing zones for promoting green hydrogen and green ammonia. Government would also mandate usage of green hydrogen and green ammonia under the upcoming policy in a phased manner. The government plans to implement the Green Hydrogen Consumption Obligation (GHCO) in fertilizer production and petroleum refining, similar to what was done with renewable purchase obligations (RPO) as reported by Mint earlier.

“This partnership will facilitate the production of the lowest cost green hydrogen by enabling delivery of electrolyzers at scale in India, within the next years. In turn, this will support the faster adoption of a green molecule-related ecosystem in the country," the statement said.

India plans to soon call bids for building 4 GW of electrolyzer capacity as part of its energy security strategy. The government has set up a 5 million tonne (mt) green hydrogen target by 2030 for the new age fuel.

“This partnership will not only help curtail India’s energy imports; it will also facilitate a turnaround to enable energy exports. And it will strengthen India’s green hydrogen ambitions as part of a wider renewable energy program that will see India run the world’s largest energy transition program," Greenko’s CEO and MD Anil Chalamalasetty said in the statement.

The other major features of India’s marquee ‘Green Hydrogen Policy’ include allowing banking of unconsumed renewable power with an electricity distribution company (discom) up to 30 days, and setting up bunkers near ports for storage of green ammonia for exports.

“India and neighbouring countries have abundant natural resources, a large domestic market and the potential to cater to the growth of this market regionally and globally,"John Cockerill Renewables’ CEO Raphael Tilot said in the statement.

India wants to encourage exports to Japan, South Korea, and Europe. Indian firms, including Reliance Industries Ltd, Adani Group and Acme Solar Holdings Ltd, have announced their green hydrogen plans.
 

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We lost the Mobile space with useless players like Micromax, Celkon, Karbonn, Lava, XOLO,Yu etc. These folks even put 10% of their profits in R&D during their peak period we can have some good Indian Mobile brands. But sometimes too much salesman attitude destroyed them. Now they are struggling to regain the market from Chinese.

Similar fate is awaiting for current Wearables companies Boat, Noise, pTron should use their current market domination to invest in factories, R&D etc. to sustain otherwise we can expect a same treatment by Chinese players who will destroy it easily.
Actually lot of of chinese companies and even western companies also sell rebranded Foxconn phones. Very few companies have capability to design and manufacture their own phone. Same is true for wearables and also other electronics appliances.

Making a phone from scratch requires full control over design and manufacturing of small components. This is a very tricky thing. Taiwan, S Korea, Japan and US had invested heavily in their electronics industry back in 80s. This why they possess such capabilities today. China is fast emerging player in this field. Still it will take few more years for them to reach parity.

India is a new player. We don't even have a single semiconductor manufacturing fab, nor displaying fab, no small electronic components manufacturers. Even peole with experience in this field and machinery is lacking. We have just begun our journey with PLI schemes and other incentives in last 2-3 years.

Also designing product is a difficult task without first party access to latest components and manufacturing equipment. So best they can do is design a logo and box. This is sad reality of their situation.

Also since these local companies have to buy products off the shelf, they have to deal with extremely thin margin. They rely heavily on selling large quantities to compensate thin margins. When they lose their sales in big numbers, they can't sustain their business. This is why you see local brands like Micromax being no 1 at one point and suddenly vanishing from market in few years.

This is why components manufacturing, semiconductor fabs, display fabs, PCB factories, etc. Is extremely important for India to cultivate an ecosystem for domestic electronics manufacturing. When this happens we will see lots of Indian electronics manufacturing startups in the country.
 

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Most of the people in india think that economic backwardness or poverty in Bihar/Jharkhand/Odisha is because of local politics but that’s not the case the economic exploitation of Bihar/Jharkhand/Odisha was initiated by british after the mutiny of 1857 and since congress party inherited the policies of Britain they made sure that Industries don’t move to Bihar Jharkhand this is something which even the people of Bihar Jharkhand don’t know read this wonderful article written by an economist
Bihar Regiment actually paid the price for being loyal to india The Punjab regiment/Sikh Regiment was loyal to British that’s why they got rewarded
Though Mr Narendra Modi and Amit Shah in New Delhi do not have the dhimmi mentality which UPA/congress did and that’s the reason why you see the act east policy getting more attention
In 1950's and early 1960's Bihar (including Jharkhand) was in top 3 industrilised state and crime free. More industries were set in Bihar in first 15 years of congress rule than than last 15 years of NDA rule (excluding two years of jdu rjd rule).
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Actually lot of of chinese companies and even western companies also sell rebranded Foxconn phones. Very few companies have capability to design and manufacture their own phone. Same is true for wearables and also other electronics appliances.
Wrong, Foxconn is only responsible for assembling the final products. These Chinese/western companies design the phone, purchasing the components and sending to Foxconn to assemble them. That is not re-branding.

This is why components manufacturing, semiconductor fabs, display fabs, PCB factories, etc. Is extremely important for India to cultivate an ecosystem for domestic electronics manufacturing. When this happens we will see lots of Indian electronics manufacturing startups in the country.
That is where the key is. At the beginning, these domestic components manufacturers are even worse. Their products not only run on thin margin, the quality issue is driving customers crazy. No private companies want to buy these products when they have other choices.

So, you either block the imports like Soviet and Japan, or Gov provide financial support to private clients to buy them for years (i.e Japan/Korea), or use state-own companies to buy them (i.e China). No matter which way, the other section of the country is going to suffer a great deal, not for a few years but a long period of time.
Now, as a democratic country, how is India going to do is a big question.
 

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Deep tech is technology companies who are mainly funded to create disruptive technologies and their traction is measured s as progress against their roadmap. They don’t necessarily make a lot of revenue, but are able to grow into profitable business once their tech is commercialized. Some examples are the quantum computing startups, autonomous driving, biotech, food tech and robotics startups.
Or Meta, even Google if you're a fan of NSA?
 

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In 1950's and early 1960's Bihar (including Jharkhand) was in top 3 industrilised state and crime free. More industries were set in Bihar in first 15 years of congress rule than than last 15 years of NDA rule (excluding two years of jdu rjd rule).View attachment 150537
Yes and Bihar was also the best governed state and the fastest growing economy in India even then
In 1952 the Freight equalisation policy was introduced whose primary objective was to deindustrialise Bihar (including Jharkhand) and cripple the economy of Bihar from there on deindustrialisation of Bihar started and the north eastern states and Nepal also paid the price for deindustrialisation of Bihar as Centre stopped the fund allocation to Bihar State Government for construction of roads , bridges and other infrastructure projects to cripple the economy of Bihar which had a ripple effect on entire region
 
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Yes and Bihar was also the best governed state and the fastest growing economy in India even then
In 1952 the Freight equalisation policy was introduced whose primary objective was to deindustrialise Bihar (including Jharkhand) and cripple the economy of Bihar from there on deindustrialisation of Bihar started and the north eastern states and Nepal also paid the price for deindustrialisation of Bihar as Centre stopped the fund allocation to Bihar State Government for construction of roads , bridges and other infrastructure projects to cripple the economy of Bihar which had a ripple effect on entire region
Why are you concern trolling about Bihar? Why are you propagating nonsense theory that Indian Union has some sinster plan to keep Bihar poor. Why don't you give your gyaan to your Nepali brothers who are almost on the verge of bankruptcy nowadays?
 

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A 'Made in India' 10.1 Inch tablet for education based on AI/ML driven inter-lingual translation across Indian Languages (Voice-2-Voice, Text-2-Text etc.) is incoming . Looks like ll be used for educational purposes .
They should have retained their Hardware division. HCL Easybee was once the highest selling Branded PC in India for a decade beating Dell, LG MyPC, HP and all other brands.

Many good Indian products just let go of their market in late 2000s.
 

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We lost the Mobile space with useless players like Micromax, Celkon, Karbonn, Lava, XOLO,Yu etc. These folks even put 10% of their profits in R&D during their peak period we can have some good Indian Mobile brands. But sometimes too much salesman attitude destroyed them. Now they are struggling to regain the market from Chinese.

Similar fate is awaiting for current Wearables companies Boat, Noise, pTron should use their current market domination to invest in factories, R&D etc. to sustain otherwise we can expect a same treatment by Chinese players who will destroy it easily.
Software part of these Indian brands was not existent and still like that only. I recently bought 2 Micromax In series one.
While the phone are great at hardware level, the software support is again not existent. No software update so far. These companies think update means only OS version update but updates include regular bug fixes, addition of new features or refinement of existing features.

There is still no RnD by these companies at software part
 

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