Indian Army T- 90 (Bhishma) and T- 72 (M-1) Tanks

[STORE]

Not all are Russian T-90 though, two of the images which I posted has Indian T-90 in them.

I know ,I only replied to ur first attachment .

 

[JBH22]

Refurbishment of T-72B3M tanks at Uralvagonzavod.

External modifications to the T-72B3M "obr. 2022":
1 - Dynamic protection has been added to the over-tracked regiments in the area of the tracked belt as on the T-90M.
2 - Added dynamic protection on the cannon mask.
3 - Added dynamic protection on the turret.
4 - Unknown sensors.
5 - Mechanism for opening armored flaps of thermal sight.

Something worth considering for our T90s and T72M1 looking into latest development in Ukraine

 

[Marliii]

Mean while

 

[Bleh]

Mean while

These are actually superior to our T-90S in every parameter, except for the inherently inferior base-model of the Chinese tank series.

 

[scatterStorm]

These are actually superior to our T-90S in every parameter, except for the inherently inferior base-model of the Chinese tank series.

IGBs must be ready to have tank battles, oh and it's going to be a massive one the history will ever see.

1. Long endurance loitering munitions (LELM)
2. Tactical nukes with yield dial options. (Will be effective during armored columns faceoff in dessert)
3. IGBs must go in tandem with air assault units with strong CAS.
4. The punch should be massive (shock and awe) to move the moral down.

Pak army knows that main assault will come from dessert flat land. Maybe they will not go in columns, to avoid tactical nukes, Pak army will take the battle to cities, to use civilian population as shields. They will hold the cities and heavily mine out entrance points.

 

[jai jaganath]

Mean while

Anyways highly beautiful
How does Arjun compare to vt-4

 

[Love Charger]

IGBs must be ready to have tank battles, oh and it's going to be a massive one the history will ever see.

1. Long endurance loitering munitions (LELM)
2. Tactical nukes with yield dial options. (Will be effective during armored columns faceoff in dessert)
3. IGBs must go in tandem with air assault units with strong CAS.
4. The punch should be massive (shock and awe) to move the moral down.

Pak army knows that main assault will come from dessert flat land. Maybe they will not go in columns, to avoid tactical nukes, Pak army will take the battle to cities, to use civilian population as shields. They will hold the cities and heavily mine out entrance points.

There shouod be a surveillance advantage, by using small drones
More namica should've included in a fighting formations .
Also small mobile artillery unites like 120 mm mortars and garuda105 mm guns with shoot and scoot capability Also ,more kalyani m4 with atgms to make up for tanks

 

[Bleh]

Anyways highly beautiful
How does Arjun compare to vt-4

Mark1 is way behind in every parameter. Mark 1A matches some, but their ERA, gun etc. arre much newer & expected to soundly outperform Arjun's. And then they'll have many more of them.

Maybe they will not go in columns, to avoid tactical nukes, Pak army will take the battle to cities, to use civilian population as shields. They will hold the cities and heavily mine out entrance points.

Indian Army you mean?.. it's their plan to resort to tactical nukes on Indian formations, if they're on back-foot & justify it as defence. Ours is to just nukes their civilians & get NorthKoreaed by the rest of the world.

 

[Blood+]

These are actually superior to our T-90S in every parameter, except for the inherently inferior base-model of the Chinese tank series.

In terms of electronics, yes, hands down. But T-90S edges out in armor protection. In terms of firepower, they are more or less even (assuming the Pakistanis haven't received the latest generation of Chinese KE rounds).

 

[johnj]

IGBs must be ready to have tank battles, oh and it's going to be a massive one the history will ever see.

1. Long endurance loitering munitions (LELM)
2. Tactical nukes with yield dial options. (Will be effective during armored columns faceoff in dessert)
3. IGBs must go in tandem with air assault units with strong CAS.
4. The punch should be massive (shock and awe) to move the moral down.

Pak army knows that main assault will come from dessert flat land. Maybe they will not go in columns, to avoid tactical nukes, Pak army will take the battle to cities, to use civilian population as shields. They will hold the cities and heavily mine out entrance points.

Good thing they also having nukes, from US & west to nuke India, followed by nukes from China, US & NATO on India.
VT4 aps/guns can intercept LELM, same goes to air assault units with CAS.
Better to use artillery in large nos, IAF clears sky & ADs, and destroying using SANT missile.

Indian Nuclear weapons were not for starting a nuclear war, but to avoid it, and no tactical nukes against pak or china. India lacks strong CAS, need 100s lch & 2000s atgms, attack drones, swarm drones etc. & loitering munitions gives enough time to gets intercepted by enemy ADS.
Pak is an allay of US, China, Saudi & NATO military partner.

 

[rone]

next IA PA face of there will be less than 20% chance we will see tank on tank battle mostly what going to happen both IA and PA tanks get plonked from stand of distance even we say we have better mobile air defense system, ratio of amour columns needed to be protected to mobile ad units cover them very low, so in first half of any conflict the initiator have very high number of losses due to the presence of UAV and ATGm

 

[maximus777]

Considering the size of the economy, I am unable to comprehend that IA needs to play catchup with PA FFS!

On any given metric, IA should be leagues ahead of PA - period! If not, its a huge failure on our part.

How can a bankrupt, dysfunctional joke of a nation go toe to toe with us?

 

[Bleh]

In terms of electronics, yes, hands down. But T-90S edges out in armor protection.

Absolutely not!.. it's a massive misconception. These tanks have 700mm-odd LOS thickness all over the front except the gun, very similar to Type-99.

The guns are also very likely rated higher, meaning they can use the new Chink 700mm ammo.

Repost: I made a frontal silhouette comparison for all major MBTs in the sub-continent, displaying areas with <500mm LOS thickness (not effective armour thickness) in red...

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Considering the size of the economy, I am unable to comprehend that IA needs to play catchup with PA FFS!

On any given metric, IA should be leagues ahead of PA - period! If not, its a huge failure on our part.

How can a bankrupt, dysfunctional joke of a nation go toe to toe with us?

They don't.Its paper strength.They have oil to fight mechanized war for 72 hours.Thats assuming we dont targets their depots starting with silos in karachi.

 

[Blood+]

Absolutely not!.. it's a massive misconception. These tanks have 700mm-odd LOS thickness all over the front except the gun, very similar to Type-99.

Meanwhile T-90A -

and the hull -

As far as frontal protection goes (and side turret as well), none of the PLA tanks can hold a candle to the T-90s. Heck, the 90s would beat the ZTZs in firepower as well if given the Svinets rounds. Their Achilles heel is the horrendous reverse speed.

The guns are also very likely rated higher, meaning they can use the new Chink 700mm ammo.

Did you even read that comment you replied to??

 

[binayak95]

IGBs must be ready to have tank battles, oh and it's going to be a massive one the history will ever see.

1. Long endurance loitering munitions (LELM)
2. Tactical nukes with yield dial options. (Will be effective during armored columns faceoff in dessert)
3. IGBs must go in tandem with air assault units with strong CAS.
4. The punch should be massive (shock and awe) to move the moral down.

Pak army knows that main assault will come from dessert flat land. Maybe they will not go in columns, to avoid tactical nukes, Pak army will take the battle to cities, to use civilian population as shields. They will hold the cities and heavily mine out entrance points.

tactical nukes against fully mechanised units is stupid. You wont kill tanks unless you get direct hit, and then you'll invite massive retaliation. Its a fools dream that even NATO stopped chasing in the 70s - when they were at their worst in a peer 2 peer conflict with the Soviet Red Army

 

[binayak95]

In terms of electronics, yes, hands down. But T-90S edges out in armor protection. In terms of firepower, they are more or less even (assuming the Pakistanis haven't received the latest generation of Chinese KE rounds).

Electronics will start seeing IA going past these guys and the chinks in some time. Once the new generation of FCS, see through situational awareness tech et al come in

 

[Blood+]

Electronics will start seeing IA going past these guys and the chinks in some time. Once the new generation of FCS, see through situational awareness tech et al come in

Yeah and I think the Army should adopt the CITV from Arjun MkIA and make it a standard fit across their entire T-90S fleet.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army t 90 tank upgrade

 

[Bleh]

Did you even read that comment you replied to??

Yes.. Now you do the same. Can't believe I'm having this conversation AGAIN,but with old members instead of snartass newbs!

Here's you T-90 Arbour from front. The whole front is a 600mm odd weakspot.

Then there's this to consider...