Indian Army T- 90 (Bhishma) and T- 72 (M-1) Tanks

[Aaj ka hero]

It is quite understandable that Arjun is not in a position to compete with the Russian T-90. Neither for the price (Russian tanks are sold for 3-4 million dollars per car), nor for combat capabilities.

He is not referring CAG report, don't know why?

 

[Bleh]

Do we have any plans to upgrade system with APS?? In house development of such system?

LEDS-150 soft-kill & hard-kill APS was declared winner of tender back in 2009, but as usual nothing happened in a full decade.

In Defexpo 2016 TATA Power SED displayed a model of LEDS-150 integrated on a T-90 tank, no real tank ever got one.

@"Mayank Tola" All T-90A (as well as some Paki Al-khalids & T-80) have Shtora.

At first, India did not like the Su-57, now they scold the T-90MS
In New Delhi, ordered a large batch of Russian tanks, but at the same time demonstrate dissatisfaction

Vladimir Tuchkov

In the photo: the T-90MS tank (Photo: Vladimir Smirnov / TASS)


An agreement was signed in New Delhi in early November, according to which the Indian Ministry of Defense will pay a total of $ 3.12 billion for the supply of 464 Russian T-90MS main battle tanks over four years, Defense News reports. Of these, 1.2 billion will be received by our Uralvagonzavod and Rosoboronexport for the transfer of technology. The Indians will pay the remaining money to their concern for the assembly of armored vehicles.

In India , up to 80% of components for the T-90MS will be produced. But the main components - the engine and transmission - will come from Russia. And they make up to 45% of the cost of the tank.

464 T-90 MC is enough to equip ten regiments of the Indian army. The first 64 cars should be ready no later than 3.5 years from the date of signing the contract. The rhythm of production should be at the level of 120 cars per year or 10 per month.

Moreover, the contract contains a time bomb, from which the Russian side may suffer. Uralvagonzavod is liable for delays in production and cost overruns. In case of failure to meet the delivery deadlines for T-90MS or exceeding their value, fines will be imposed on the Russian company.

As is customary in India after the Bharatiya Janata Party party, which reoriented the country to the West, came to power, the contract with Russia immediately provoked a number of negative comments. At least some of them are contrary to common sense.

It is alleged, for example, that 80 percent localization of tank production in the country is very small. And that we must strive to deploy fully Indian production. It was as if there were no three previous contracts, under which, in total, 1,657 T-90S main battle tanks were to be transferred to the Indian army. For those contracts, localization was only 40%. Now it has doubled. But the Indians are still unhappy.

Criticism extends to the "unjustified high cost" of the project, which will lead to squandering the defense budget. And this is also a distortion of the real state of things. Under the new contract, each more advanced T-90MS tank will cost India a third cheaper than the previous modification - T-90S.

I must say that taking Uralvagonzavod responsibility for the rhythm of production, as experience shows, is too risky. The fact is that at the Heavy Vehicles Factory, where the “armor” will be riveted, when delivering an order for the T-90C, supply plans were constantly being broken.

The change in the foreign policy of India was reflected literally in all spheres of military-technical cooperation with Russia. And especially strong in the field of procurement of aircraft. India defiantly withdrew from a joint project to create a fifth-generation fighter based on the Su-57. Stating that this is a bad aircraft, not related to the fifth generation.

However, in the field of armored vehicles of India there is nowhere to go. Because the Indian Ministry of Defense has no other options except to buy Russian equipment. This is predetermined not only by the price / quality ratio possessed by Russian armored vehicles.

Almost the entire tank fleet of India is Russian:

- 2000 Ajeya tanks, which are modernized in local technological conditions by the Soviet T-72;

- 1,500 Russian T-90S tanks.

Of their - 240 tanks Arjun.

As for Arjun, it was an attempt by Indian industry to create their own tank so that they no longer depend on foreigners. However, she was not entirely successful. It turned out about the same as with the fourth-generation Indian light fighter.

This tank began to be constructed in 1974, assuming a total of more than two thousand vehicles, not inferior in combat capabilities to the Soviet T-72. Designed by trial and error for more than 30 years. Serial production was launched in 2006. However, it was stopped after receiving 124 tanks. The quality was low. At the same time, designers could not completely abandon foreign components. For example, two machine guns - 12.7 mm and 7.62 mm - were Soviet. Engines and transmission were made in Germany.

Perhaps the only thing that was good in the tank was driving performance. As a result, it was decided to develop its second modification - Arjun Mk II. Its production began in 2013. 118 tanks were produced. Undoubtedly, this was a step forward. Moreover, in technological terms, localization of production reached 90%.

In India, they learned to reproduce the German engine and transmission. Dynamic armor protection appeared, though it’s Russian - “Contact-5”. The rifled gun was replaced with a smoothbore, which made it possible to launch anti-tank guided missiles through the barrel. Some systems were introduced into the tank, without which it cannot be considered modern. For example, a night vision device appeared in the sighting system.

The second modification, although it approached the best tanks of the third generation, but still did not stand up to them. But at the price of Arjun Mk II, some successful machines surpassed. It costs 6.3 million dollars, while, for example, the Israeli "Merkava" - 6 million.

It is quite understandable that Arjun is not in a position to compete with the Russian T-90. Neither for the price (Russian tanks are sold for 3-4 million dollars per car), nor for combat capabilities. Therefore, instead of more than two thousand tanks, only two hundred and more were released. On that and limited. So all the talk about the fact that Russian tanks are unreasonably expensive for India does not have any basis.

By the way, elements appeared in the T-90MS modification, which are not found in either Arjun or T-90S.

First of all, it is the Arena-E active defense complex. Instead of the dynamic protection of the Contact-5 armor, a more effective Relic is installed. Used more advanced sighting system "Pine-U".

Finally, the tank is equipped with a more powerful 2A46M-5 cannon.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/250466/

No worries, they're not Air Force too reject it for Indian alternatives... that ship has long sailed anyway. IA will take whatever crap their Rusky daddy tosses at them like a good little boi!

...Under the new contract, each more advanced T-90MS tank will cost India a third cheaper than the previous modification - T-90S.

What are the downgrading this time?

 

[rone]

ruski saying t90 ms mod saying it's t90s/sk which version is true,of its not t90 ms its waste of time

 

[tharikiran]

When the heck will Indian T-90's get active protection systems. Waiting for last 15 years . Shameful..

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

T-90 will get an aps system, only when DRDO develops it for the Arjun mk 2 mbt project.

 

[Bleh]

T-90 will get an aps system, only when DRDO develops it for the Arjun mk 2 mbt project.

What exactly happened to that LEDS-150 tender in 2009?.. Why are out T-90S still vanilla?

 

[Frontrunner]

Can't really fathom... Wht's going on with indian armour scene?? Why on earth we are producing 464 T90S instead of T90MS that too at around 2022-2026.. ??

No of T90 mbts Indian army is still vague.. their are conflicting reports about total no of t90s.. ranging from 800-1600..

I really hope the T90 we are producing is T90MS model.. otherwise it would be asinine to produce a 2000 era T90S.. in 2025..

 

[Frontrunner]

What exactly happened to that LEDS-150 tender in 2009?.. Why are out T-90S still vanilla?

Because of inefficiency, lack of accountability & quagmire of bureaucracy... Indian defence scene is so murky & shabby.. that it is a making a joke of lives of our soldiers.. who are forced to fight in obsolete monkey models of armaments..

 

[Lancer]

We're building up quite an armored force (which will mostly be oriented towards Pak) but I hope we have a plan for dealing w/ Paki DCBs + extensive mining. Not to mention, the Pakis have decided to go w/ a cost effective solution of just using anti-armor infantry rather than trying to match us tank for tank.

Since most conceptualizations of the next Indo-Pak war involve a massive, swift tank push across the the length of the border, I hope we've thought everything through and don't end up suffering disproportionate tank casualties.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army T-72 main battle tank.

 

[fire starter]

who the fuck is taking such stupid decisions bureaucrats or army officers.

Because of inefficiency, lack of accountability & quagmire of bureaucracy... Indian defence scene is so murky & shabby.. that it is a making a joke of lives of our soldiers.. who are forced to fight in obsolete monkey models of armaments..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

We're building up quite an armored force (which will mostly be oriented towards Pak) but I hope we have a plan for dealing w/ Paki DCBs + extensive mining. Not to mention, the Pakis have decided to go w/ a cost effective solution of just using anti-armor infantry rather than trying to match us tank for tank.

Since most conceptualizations of the next Indo-Pak war involve a massive, swift tank push across the the length of the border, I hope we've thought everything through and don't end up suffering disproportionate tank casualties.

We need Jaguars dropping a load of cluster bombs on the hapless unprotected Paki anti armour infantry... Then, Pakis will run to daddy america, saying India is using banned weapons on their sorry a**

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Is IA seriously considering upgunning T-72 T-90, to fire APFSDS than can penetrate 800 mm armour? We, seriously need it against Chinese Type 99 and VT 4..

 

[fire starter]

read this https://indianarmy.nic.in/makeinind...S AMMUNITION WITH HIGH DoP OF 600 – 800MM.pdf 000000000000000000

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army T-72 main battle tank.

 

[WolfPack86]

Army Day 2020 Parade FDR Inspection By Lt Gen RP Singh, GoC-in-C Western Army Command

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army day 2020 parade.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army day parade 2020.

 

[south block]

Which radar is that @porky_kicker ?

 

[tharun]

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Which radar is that @porky_kicker ?

Israel Aerospace Industries ELM-2026BF Aesa Air defense search and track radar.
https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2026bf


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