Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

[vampyrbladez]

Notice the high cut helmet at 0:19

So the standard issue sight on the Sig 716i is the BEL Holographic Sight barring a few Carl Zeiss RDS and LVPO/ ACOGs for DMR in a platoon.

 

[abingdonboy]

reported by The Hindu earlier, with repeated delays in the deals for procurement of Ak-203 assault rifles, last August India had signed a deal for 70,000 Ak-103 assault tickets to be procured off the shelf. The delivery of these rifles has been completed, officials said.


In another small arms deal, the repeat order for 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles from Sig Sauer is delayed and more than two officials, on condition of anonymity, said it is likely to be dropped.








As world order turns upside down and chances of conflict increase day by day, Junk AK103s delivered to IAF, more SIGs off the table. absolutele ret@rds


So that’s it, for the next 30 years IA is stuck with cr@p 7.62*39 rifles and a handful of actual battle rifles in their hands that’ll have to be phased out for AK-203s over the years as they break, become worn or unusable







name another modern army that uses the 7.62*39 as their standard issue, not even the Russians do that. IA modernisation is over, it doesn’t matter what PPE they get now, they have rendered themselves combat ineffective in a shooting war, spray and pray, good luck with that

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

reported by The Hindu earlier, with repeated delays in the deals for procurement of Ak-203 assault rifles, last August India had signed a deal for 70,000 Ak-103 assault tickets to be procured off the shelf. The delivery of these rifles has been completed, officials said.


In another small arms deal, the repeat order for 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles from Sig Sauer is delayed and more than two officials, on condition of anonymity, said it is likely to be dropped.








As world order turns upside down and chances of conflict increase day by day, Junk AK103s delivered to IAF, more SIGs off the table. absolutele ret@rds


So that’s it, for the next 30 years IA is stuck with cr@p 7.62*39 rifles and a handful of actual battle rifles in their hands that’ll have to be phased out for AK-203s over the years as they break, become worn or unusable







name another modern army that uses the 7.62*39 as their standard issue, not even the Russians do that. IA modernisation is over, it doesn’t matter what PPE they get now, they have rendered themselves combat ineffective in a shooting war, spray and pray, good luck with that

TBH, its not as bad as you make it look. Especially for a full scale war with pakis, 762x39 is good enough (and perhaps better) than 556. Lack of ballistic vests, means that penetration diff, which is small anyway, will not count much. 762 has the advantage of being a bigger bullet, and since yaw is more reliable than shattering, it delivers more damage on target for 300-400 mtrs.

Russians etc have to deal with the possibility of conflict with muricans, who equip every soldier with plates, front and back. Penetration is kind of necessary.

 

[vampyrbladez]

reported by The Hindu earlier, with repeated delays in the deals for procurement of Ak-203 assault rifles, last August India had signed a deal for 70,000 Ak-103 assault tickets to be procured off the shelf. The delivery of these rifles has been completed, officials said.


In another small arms deal, the repeat order for 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles from Sig Sauer is delayed and more than two officials, on condition of anonymity, said it is likely to be dropped.








As world order turns upside down and chances of conflict increase day by day, Junk AK103s delivered to IAF, more SIGs off the table. absolutele ret@rds


So that’s it, for the next 30 years IA is stuck with cr@p 7.62*39 rifles and a handful of actual battle rifles in their hands that’ll have to be phased out for AK-203s over the years as they break, become worn or unusable







name another modern army that uses the 7.62*39 as their standard issue, not even the Russians do that. IA modernisation is over, it doesn’t matter what PPE they get now, they have rendered themselves combat ineffective in a shooting war, spray and pray, good luck with that

The Sig 716i deal is still moving in the background.

The deal was being negotiated in September 2021 by the CNC (Contract Negotiation Committee).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsab...-us-made-sig-sauer-rifle-deal-cost-dnm-qzdop6

As recently as January 2022, there were reports of it being shelved

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...decide-on-purchase-of-foreign-weaponry/849313

However it went to the CFA stage last month as per the same article. AFAIK, the CFA is the last stage before approval/ signing of a deal.

The deal is in the Request For Proposal (RFP) stage and went for approval from the Competent Financial Authority (CFA) on February 22, one of the sources cited above said.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Emperor Kalki]

Why do our soldiers never use the bolt release on their guns that have them? Never seen anyone using it on Tavors, m4s and even in this video, with the 716, the soldier is going for that awkward charging handle pull with the firing hand. Are they purposely avoiding the bolt release for any reasons?

 

[Fire and groove]

Why do our soldiers never use the bolt release on their guns that have them? Never seen anyone using it on Tavors, m4s and even in this video, with the 716, the soldier is going for that awkward charging handle pull with the firing hand. Are they purposely avoiding the bolt release for any reasons?

Not trained to use it.

 

[Emperor Kalki]

Not trained to use it.

But what kinda complex training process is needed to use a bolt release

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

But what kinda complex training process is needed to use a bolt release

They have insas drilled in, pull back on charging handle with every new mag.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

good to see some optics on the sigs.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Then what is the benefit of using new type of weapon it's provide for reducing the timing

They have insas drilled in, pull back on charging handle with every new mag.

 

[Flying Dagger]

TBH, its not as bad as you make it look. Especially for a full scale war with pakis, 762x39 is good enough (and perhaps better) than 556. Lack of ballistic vests, means that penetration diff, which is small anyway, will not count much. 762 has the advantage of being a bigger bullet, and since yaw is more reliable than shattering, it delivers more damage on target for 300-400 mtrs.

Russians etc have to deal with the possibility of conflict with muricans, who equip every soldier with plates, front and back. Penetration is kind of necessary.

Not bad at all .. provided we have another production line for 5.56 /7.62 NATO round or an intermediate round.

Aks will work fine in India in any condition once the production starts we can have it in different cal too.

But a AR production line is essential too.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Then what is the benefit of using new type of weapon it's provide for reducing the timing

Yeah, should get drilled out of them if IA does its job properly. But you will see troops doing the charging handle pulling method for a while, especially in ops. Habits form over years, and when in stress, instincts kick in.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Not bad at all .. provided we have another production line for 5.56 /7.62 NATO round or an intermediate round.

Aks will work fine in India in any condition once the production starts we can have it in different cal too.

But a AR production line is essential too.

We make lots of 556, companies get export orders as well. 762 prduction lines there anyway for LMG, Sigs, MMGs, can be scales up and pushed overtime in war. Production can be 2.5-3x if we rotate workers and keep factories running continuously.

AR line, Im not too sure. Unless private firms make an offer, OFB will stick with basic AK layout ( withcaliber changes) as it is what they have experience with.

 

[Love Charger]

We make lots of 556, companies get export orders as well. 762 prduction lines there anyway for LMG, Sigs, MMGs, can be scales up and pushed overtime in war. Production can be 2.5-3x if we rotate workers and keep fatories running continuously.

Is insas round different from NATO 5.56 mm round ?
It looks different to me atlest , looks more pointy

 

[Flying Dagger]

We make lots of 556, companies get export orders as well. 762 prduction lines there anyway for LMG, Sigs, MMGs, can be scales up and pushed overtime in war. Production can be 2.5-3x if we rotate workers and keep fatories running continuously.

I am talking abt rifles not round... And not INSAS but AKs and AR 15 based rifle. Once we have a production line for them we can have them in different cal based on requirement.

Also the 7.62 NATO round that we use for LMG if we are going to use the same bullet it will provide more recoil which is already high.

There is lot to work on bullets and rifle both.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Is insas round different from NATO 5.56 mm round ?
It looks different to me atlest , looks more pointy

nah. Ballistics is same.

Could you have been looking at different types? FMJ vs Hollow point, for example. Hollow points in rifles have a tiny hole, not very noticeable. Could be confused for rounded bullet.

I am talking abt rifles not round... And not INSAS but AKs and AR 15 based rifle. Once we have a production line for them we can have them in different cal based on requirement.

Also the 7.62 NATO round that we use for LMG if we are going to use the same bullet it will provide more recoil which is already high.

There is lot to work on bullets and rifle both.

Yeah I edited my post for rifles.... I dont have much hope from IFB side for ARs, maybe industry might chip in. Major ones like PLR also do AK based ones only as of now.

 

[Fire and groove]

But what kinda complex training process is needed to use a bolt release

More like knowledge. Decades of operating AKs has lead to it becoming the standard for operating rifles, which is why you see troops dojng a magwell grip with a battle rifle every now and then.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Why do our soldiers never use the bolt release on their guns that have them? Never seen anyone using it on Tavors, m4s and even in this video, with the 716, the soldier is going for that awkward charging handle pull with the firing hand. Are they purposely avoiding the bolt release for any reasons?

Instead of changing the mag when they go dry, they just dropped the bolt and exited the range? Wtf?
Atleast they have learnt to control the recoil.

 

[WolfPack86]

Ukraine crisis delays Ak-203 assault rifle deal with Russia
Due to the ongoing crisis in Ukraine, implementation of the deal for 6.1 lakh Ak-203 assault rifles signed with Russia last July has been delayed by at least few months, according to defence sources.

As part of pre-production activities, retrials were scheduled to be done with ammunition from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) in Russia in the first half of February, two defence sources independently said. But due to the current situation they have been delayed by at least 3-4 months, one of the sources stated.

While the production activities are on, manufacturing of rifles will start after the trials, it has been learnt.

As reported by The Hindu earlier, with repeated delays in the deals for procurement of Ak-203 assault rifles, last August India had signed a deal for 70,000 Ak-103 assault tickets to be procured off the shelf. The delivery of these rifles has been completed, officials said.

In another small arms deal, the repeat order for 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles from Sig Sauer is delayed and more than two officials, on condition of anonymity, said it is likely to be dropped.

In December, Alexander Mikheev, Director General of Rosoboronexport, said manufacturing of the rifles at the plant in Uttar Pradesh was likely to begin within few months. Over 6.1 lakh Ak-203 assault rifles costing over ₹5,000 crore will be manufactured by a Joint Venture, Indo-Russian Rifles Private Ltd (IRRPL), at Korwa, Amethi in Uttar Pradesh. IRRPL was set up jointly between with erstwhile OFB [now Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited (AWEIL) and Munitions India Limited (MIL)] of India and Rosoboronexport (RoE) and Kalashnikov of Russia.

Increase in localisation
As part of this, the first 70,000 AK-203 rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localisation from 5% to 70%. The rest of the rifles will be produced with 100% localisation.

A modern production line has been established and a small arms range has been set up where both factory and acceptance tests of assault rifles will be carried out.

Under a ₹700-crore deal in February 2019 with Sig Sauer of the U.S., the Defence Ministry procured 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles through Fast Track Procurement (FTP), most of which were for the Army and have been provided to frontline troops involved in counter-insurgency operations.

The deal is in the Request For Proposal (RFP) stage and went for approval from the Competent Financial Authority (CFA) on February 22, one of the sources cited above said.

However, there is a push for foreclosure of the case given on the emphasis for boosting domestic industry, the source added.

The first lot of 72,400 SIG-716 assault rifles have long been inducted by the Army.

Ukraine crisis delays Ak-203 assault rifle deal with Russia

Retrials with ammunition from original equipment manufacturer have been delayed by at least 3-4 months

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