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https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-of-military-gear-hc/articleshow/62540917.cms

Govt not serious over issue of pvt sale of military gear: HC

It asked the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to forthwith take action to comply with several government communications in this regard, dating back to 1986-99. (Representative Image)

Expressing concern over the open sale of army apparel and gear, the Delhi High Courttoday pulled up the Centre for not taking the issue seriously and asked the Delhigovernment to take steps to curb the sale and manufacture of such items.

The bench said the Centre does not seem to be interested in doing anything despite seriousness of the issue which has its implications on "state security and public safety".

The court made the observations in the backdrop of recent terror strikes, including the one of the Pathankot airforce base in January 2016 by terrorists dressed in Indian Armyfatigues, leading to the death of seven security personnel including a Lieutenant Colonel and a civilian.

In November 2016 too, terrorists dressed in police uniform had attacked the army's XVI Corps headquarters at Nagrota in Jammu district, killing seven security personnel including two officers.

A bench of Acting Chief Justice Gita Mittal and C Hari Shankar directed the Delhi government to take immediate steps to curb private manufacturing, stocking and sale of military apparel and gear used by the armed forces.

It asked the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to forthwith take action to comply with several government communications in this regard, dating back to 1986-99.

The court directed the authorities to file a report in this regard in eight weeks, noting that despite there being a penal provision to punish those wearing or carrying tokens used by soldiers, not a single action has been taken.

The bench passed the order while deciding the plea of an NGO, which had raised the issue citing the terror attacks and submitted that private sale of military apparel and gear was a cause for concern.

Advocate K R Chitra, appearing for NGO Fight for Human Rights, had told the court that after the Pathankot incident, the petition was filed and a subsequent representation was made before the competent authority, but no action was taken.

During the day's hearing, after perusing the response of MoD, the bench said the matter was of a serious nature and despite earlier orders, it has not been taken up seriously.

The Centre's counsel submitted that they have asked the states to take this issue seriously.

The court on July 20, 2016, had asked the ministry to treat the issue raised as a representation and take a decision in three months.

The counsel said that subsequent to the July 20 order, she had again made a representation to the government but there was no response. Hence, she has again moved the court.

She said that a January 8, 2016, notification issued by the Indian Army, prohibits civilians and private shopkeepers from wearing or selling military apparel and gear.

The NGO had sought steps to curb private sale and manufacture of military apparel like uniforms, shoes, badges and other gear used by the armed forces which were being made by private industries in Ludhiana and Amritsar in Punjab and sold all over the country.

One place where such articles are sold is at the Railway Market at Pathankot, it had claimed.

The PIL had also sought that MoD be directed to handle with immediate effect the responsibility of manufacturing, stocking and sale of military apparel and gear used by the armed forces, saying private shops do not check to whom they sell such articles.

 

[12arya]

https://theprint.in/2017/12/28/indi...ak-in-hr-policy-is-a-big-deal-for-promotions/

The Indian Army has just made a tiny tweak in its HR policy but it’s a big deal for promotions
LT GEN SYED ATA HASNAIN (RETD) 28 December, 2017

Indian Army. Photo by Vipin Kumar/Hindustan Times via Getty Images
The decision will no doubt throw up more talented officers to remain in contention for the appointments of Army Commanders.

Understanding the promotion policies in pyramid-shaped Indian Army cadre, especially at the officer level, can be challenging. Even more so for senior cadres.

So what has changed in all this with the tweaked promotion policy announced on 27 December? The answer is simple; it is just the residual service clause for the appointment of Army Commanders (C-in-C). Simply put, it is the balance service before retirement. It used to be 24 months when the vacancy arises, it has now been reduced to 18 months. The same has been made applicable to Heads of Arms/Services (HoA/S) for whom it rested earlier at 12 months.

The change in rule alters the dynamics of succession to the posts of 7 x C-in-C plus the Vice Chief, and for the appointment of the next and successive Army chiefs.

It is important to explain why the erstwhile 24-month rule was adopted in the first place during the time of General K. Sundarji (1986) and why it is being reduced to 18 months.

Recalling the time of the appointment of one Chief Justice of India for just 18 days will make it easier to appreciate the original 24-month decision.

The first thing to remember is that there is a common rank of C-in-C and Corps Commanders: Lt Gen. When a C-in-C of that time retired at the age of 58 (increased to 60 in 1998) the next senior fully qualified Lt Gen., who could be of age 57 years and 9 months, would have to be appointed C-in-C, even if it meant serving just three months in that appointment. A piquant situation had arisen with a number of such Lt Generals being appointed Cs-in-C, only to hold the appointment for a short period. To stabilise tenures in the appointment of C-in-C to a minimum of two years and allow Corps Commanders to contribute post their command, a policy decision was taken. As per this, Lt Generals could be appointed C-in-C (after commanding a Corps) only if they had a minimum of 24 months of residual service and Corps Commander if they had 36 months to serve in the rank (both ranks being Lt Gen.).

In 1997, the Army adopted the vacancy-based promotion system, the essence of which manifested in a calendar batch of officers being given the number of vacancies of the rank arising in a year. It meant that the age profile of officers in various ranks would remain static. For colonels to brigadiers, the age profile was effectively reduced through the subsequent additional vacancies given by the government after the Ajai Vikram Singh Committee (AVSC) report in 2003-04.

However, the additional vacancies of Lt Gens and Maj Gens were limited, and there was a re-entry of many aspirants for promotion through the statutory complaint and legal intervention routes. This upset the annual vacancy equation and the age profile at these ranks actually increased.

This made it difficult for some outstanding Lt Gens with a slightly older age profile to be appointed Corps Commanders and, in turn, some Corps Commanders could not be elevated to C-in-C because the residual age clause could not be met. Some younger but less qualified and lower profile officers benefitted.

The 24 and 36 months residual service rule led to a less than optimally talented Army leadership. The Air Force and Navy had long ago already fixed the residual period to just 12 months for its Cs-in-C.

The Army has now altered its policy with approval of the government and limited the residual service for Cs-in-C to 18 months but has left the 36-month rule for Corps Commanders untouched. The latter part could have been reduced to 30 months, except that the Army wishes to have its Corps Commanders command their formations for more than 12 months for better tenure stability and yet be eligible for C-in-C; the age equation does not permit that if the residual tenure is reduced to 30 months. That is all the more reason for the Army to endeavour to reduce the overall age profile of its senior cadres.

The age profile can be reduced through a drastic step such as reduction in approval percentages for senior ranks or by giving more upgraded appointments but there is a finite limit to those numbers of appointments. The intent should be to have a General Officer serve five years each as Maj Gen and Lt Gen. This will ensure the best talent is always available to tenant crucial senior appointments with officers of sufficient experience and not just quick ‘promotees’; it is no fault of those ‘promotees’ though, the system has evolved them.

Lastly, the other decision to increase the residual service period for Heads of Arms/Services (HoA/S) from the current 12 months to 18 months is apt, but again, unless the system endeavours to reduce age profile, many of the best Lt Gens (other Arms/Services) with proven talent will be axed out, making way for average talent.

The current decision will no doubt throw up more talented officers to remain in contention for the C-in-C appointments; otherwise they would either superannuate or be over-age before this consideration.

 

[12arya]

https://theprint.in/2018/01/17/new-trouble-for-india-as-china-fully-occupies-doklam/

New trouble for India: China occupies North Doklam, with armoured vehicles & 7 helipads
COL. VINAYAK BHAT (RETD) 17 January, 2018

Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
New visuals show PLA deployment is close to last year’s face-off point and hasn’t thinned down as Indian Army chief Gen. Rawat claimed last week.

New Delhi: Almost five months after India and China agreed to end their tense military face-off in the Himalayan region of Doklam, Beijing has almost completely taken control of the northern side of the disputed plateau, latest satellite images accessed by ThePrint show.

The new images show concrete posts, seven helipads, new trenches and several dozen armoured vehicles close to the point where the Indian Army and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops were locked in a 72-day confrontation last year.

The discovery comes days after Army chief General Bipin Rawat said that China continues to have troops in North Doklam but also added that the deployment had thinned down recently.

However, new satellite imagery accessed by ThePrint from 10 December 2017 shows that the Chinese side is now well entrenched in the area, with heavy road building machinery still present close to the stand-off point.

The face-off was triggered last June after Indian troops prevented Chinese workers backed by the PLA from completing a road that would have given them fast access to the south Doklam area. The Doklam plateau is contested between China and Bhutan, with India also having a strategic interest in keeping the area demilitarised.

These are first images that show the extent of the Chinese deployment at Doklam – and indicate a likely permanent PLA deployment, retaining the capability to construct the contested road at short notice.

Troop strength

The PLA has occupied almost every nook and corner, if not every inch, of the northern side of the plateau. Google Earth imagery clearly shows a large number of troops and equipment in semi-permanent structures under camouflage.

There is at least one complete mechanised regiment of possibly ZBL-09 IFVs or infantry fighting vehicles. There is also a strong possibility of another mechanised regiment under camouflage nets.

Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
Two major parking areas have been observed for tank transporters of smaller size, suggesting their use for mechanised vehicle transport. There are, in total, two regiments’ worth of tank transporters on the Doklam plateau.

There are more than a hundred large troop/equipment-carrying vehicles, or what the military calls ‘B-vehicles’.

At least four large bulldozers and four tippers have also been observed. This indicates a clear intention of pursuing the construction of the road beyond the contested point.

A large number of troops seem to have been kept in tents under very good camouflage, but certainly not good enough for satellite imagery not to spot them.

The observation tower

There is a very tall observation tower, at least two storeys high, constructed with cement concrete less than 10 metres from the most forward trench occupied by the Indian Army.

Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
The elevation profile of this tower suggests that it can observe the entire Gnathang Valley from Kupup to Zuluk. The entire movement of the Indian Army beyond Kupup can also be very clearly observed by the PLA.

New posts

A large number of fighting posts have been created on almost every hillock on North Doklam plateau. These posts consist of double-layered communication trenches prepared for all round defence.

Numerous areas have been dug out, possibly to accommodate troops under camouflage at a later date. One of the dug-out areas is quite large, suggesting that the PLA will construct an extremely tall observation tower very soon.

Helipads

At least seven new helipads have been constructed with permanent cemented round bases. The diameter of the helipads is 25 metres, suggesting that the largest helicopters in the PLA inventory will be able to land here.

Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
Road construction

New roads have been constructed to cover the North Doklam plateau. Work is in progress to widen existing roads. Most of the roads have communication trenches running along them.


Colonel Vinayak Bhat (retd) is a Military Intelligence veteran of the Indian Army with vast experience of satellite imagery analysis. He has worked as a Chinese interpreter and is a specialist on PLA and Pakistan’s armed forces. He tweets @rajfortyseven

 

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ng-military-officers/articleshow/62387495.cms

MoD junks ’16 order downgrading military officers

TNN | Jan 6, 2018, 03:59 IST

HIGHLIGHTS

• The order had led to widespread anger in the armed forces, who for long have contended that the bureaucracy has worked over the years to systematically downgrade their status, rank and pay.
• The defence ministry had stated that the rank parity issue would be “studied from all angles”

File photo

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry has withdrawn a controversial order that downgraded the military officers in comparison with their counterparts in the Armed Force Headquarters (AFHQ) Civil Service, which had caused a lot of heartburn over the entire issue of rank equivalence in the armed forces.

The defence ministry letter issued on October 18, 2016, had equated a Major General (Rear Admiral in Navy and Air Vice-Marshal in IAF) with a principal director in AFHQ Civil Service. Similarly, a Brigadier (Commodore/Air Commodore) with 25-26 years of service was made equivalent to a director (with about 14 years of service), and a Colonel/Captain/Group Captain to a joint director in the civil service.

The order had led to widespread anger in the armed forces, who for long have contended that the bureaucracy has worked over the years to systematically downgrade their status, rank and pay. After facing protests, the defence ministry had stated that the rank parity issue would be "studied from all angles" to ensure "no false equivalence was created or allowed".

On Friday, a defence ministry official said, "The letter of October 2016 on the issue of equivalence between armed forces officers and AFHQ Civil Service has been withdrawn with immediate effect on the orders of defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman."

 

[12arya]

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...rink-water-buy-sena-jal-at-just-rs-6/1023172/

Great initiative by Army Wives: Want to drink water? Buy Sena Jal at just Rs 6
Next time when you are thirsty and want to buy a bottle of water, apart from the well-known mineral water brands, there is another alternative for you.
By: FE Online | New Delhi | Published: January 20, 2018 6:41 PM

Next time when you are thirsty and want to buy a bottle of water, apart from the well-known mineral water brands, there is another alternative for you. Sena Jal, an initiative of the Army Wives Welfare Association (AWWA), will cater water bottles to you at just Rs 6. AWWA is itself making these Sena Jal water bottles. Its packaged water bottle was inaugurated on October 11, 2017 and from then onwards, they are updating their services from time to time. Sena Jal is Made by our Indian Army Families. They are also offering Sena Jal for Rs 10 which can cater to you as well as your family.

But, what appeals most to buying these water bottles is that money collected will be used in the welfare of soldiers & war widows, and hence will be a support to the Indian Army. Also, to help families of soldiers, the dealership of Sena Jal can also be obtained. You just have to contact the AWWA Secretariat at the Defence Headquarters in New Delhi for the same.

AWWA it is an invisible hand to Indian Army. Madhulika Rawat, wife of current army chief General Bipin Rawat is running this AWWA. It is one of the largest voluntary organizations in India that has charted its course for fulfilling the societal obligation through social empowerment and skill building of spouses and dependents of Army personnel. AWWA aims at the holistic development and well-being of Army Wives including their children and rehabilitation of war widows and differently-abled children.

It also takes an active part in the activities of Central and State Governments in their efforts towards national re-construction aimed at improving the living conditions of rural poor amongst the above categories of persons and protecting the human rights violation against the Army personnel and their families. AWWA provides emotional support and financial succour to its brave heart widows and is constantly working for the social and economic empowerment of this section. For socio-economic empowerment of this section, many micro ventures like Project Aahwan, Parisharm Cell, Lunch Projects, Paper Recycling plant etc have been initiated.

 

[Adioz]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-of-military-gear-hc/articleshow/62540917.cms

Govt not serious over issue of pvt sale of military gear: HC

It asked the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to forthwith take action to comply with several government communications in this regard, dating back to 1986-99. (Representative Image)

Expressing concern over the open sale of army apparel and gear, the Delhi High Courttoday pulled up the Centre for not taking the issue seriously and asked the Delhigovernment to take steps to curb the sale and manufacture of such items.

The bench said the Centre does not seem to be interested in doing anything despite seriousness of the issue which has its implications on "state security and public safety".

The court made the observations in the backdrop of recent terror strikes, including the one of the Pathankot airforce base in January 2016 by terrorists dressed in Indian Armyfatigues, leading to the death of seven security personnel including a Lieutenant Colonel and a civilian.

In November 2016 too, terrorists dressed in police uniform had attacked the army's XVI Corps headquarters at Nagrota in Jammu district, killing seven security personnel including two officers.

A bench of Acting Chief Justice Gita Mittal and C Hari Shankar directed the Delhi government to take immediate steps to curb private manufacturing, stocking and sale of military apparel and gear used by the armed forces.

It asked the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to forthwith take action to comply with several government communications in this regard, dating back to 1986-99.

The court directed the authorities to file a report in this regard in eight weeks, noting that despite there being a penal provision to punish those wearing or carrying tokens used by soldiers, not a single action has been taken.

The bench passed the order while deciding the plea of an NGO, which had raised the issue citing the terror attacks and submitted that private sale of military apparel and gear was a cause for concern.

Advocate K R Chitra, appearing for NGO Fight for Human Rights, had told the court that after the Pathankot incident, the petition was filed and a subsequent representation was made before the competent authority, but no action was taken.

During the day's hearing, after perusing the response of MoD, the bench said the matter was of a serious nature and despite earlier orders, it has not been taken up seriously.

The Centre's counsel submitted that they have asked the states to take this issue seriously.

The court on July 20, 2016, had asked the ministry to treat the issue raised as a representation and take a decision in three months.

The counsel said that subsequent to the July 20 order, she had again made a representation to the government but there was no response. Hence, she has again moved the court.

She said that a January 8, 2016, notification issued by the Indian Army, prohibits civilians and private shopkeepers from wearing or selling military apparel and gear.

The NGO had sought steps to curb private sale and manufacture of military apparel like uniforms, shoes, badges and other gear used by the armed forces which were being made by private industries in Ludhiana and Amritsar in Punjab and sold all over the country.

One place where such articles are sold is at the Railway Market at Pathankot, it had claimed.

The PIL had also sought that MoD be directed to handle with immediate effect the responsibility of manufacturing, stocking and sale of military apparel and gear used by the armed forces, saying private shops do not check to whom they sell such articles.

This sorry state of affairs is even more shocking when one sees state police "commados" from Bihar wearing Army fatigues with the Indian Army emblem on top of it. These MoD idiots are inviting a terrorist attack where the terrorists can make easy use of these freely available Army uniform. Looks like the duffers will not wake up until an attack does happen (and I am talking about a major attack like 26/11)

 

[Tanmay]

This sorry state of affairs is even more shocking when one sees state police "commados" from Bihar wearing Army fatigues with the Indian Army emblem on top of it. These MoD idiots are inviting a terrorist attack where the terrorists can make easy use of these freely available Army uniform. Looks like the duffers will not wake up until an attack does happen (and I am talking about a major attack like 26/11)

Let them standardise their camo first and make it public
Let the IA, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, SSB and CISF come together with DRDO and design new combat fatigues with low IR visibility and modern technology in it. Then camo patters can be decided by each service with flektarn or micro pixels.

Our troops end up wearing every random camo that they get in shops. Can't blame them.

 

[Adioz]

Let them standardise their camo first and make it public
Let the IA, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, SSB and CISF come together with DRDO and design new combat fatigues with low IR visibility and modern technology in it. Then camo patters can be decided by each service with flektarn or micro pixels.

Our troops end up wearing every random camo that they get in shops. Can't blame them.

They should make the Combat uniform and boots standard issue like the rest of the gear viz. flak jacket/BPJ, Helmet and weapon. Give every personnel a pair. Don't expect the personnel to buy them. If required, take the cost of the uniform out of their pockets, but issue it to them directly. And yes, this is the perfect opportunity to upgrade the camo. Trying to stop current sale of army fatigues is a foolhardy task. But we all know MoD or Army brass is not interested in doing these things in a simple direct manner, they'll do things piecemeal and halfheartedly until such behavior bites them in the a$$..

 

[Suryavanshi]

We haven't even issued standard army bags for the forces most of the time they are using standard travel bag and some use this

This was proposed but never seen anyone using it

 

[Tanmay]

We haven't even issued standard army bags for the forces most of the time they are using standard travel bag and some use this

This was proposed but never seen anyone using it

Yup. We need to standardise bags, helmets, battle fatigues, vests . And also their camo pattern to be the same. We usually end up with micro pattern uniform with a flat green ammunition holder vest and a black bag .

 

[Adioz]

If you give this job to DRDO, they are going to come up with a good modular load carrying system integrated with BPJ, comparable to the modular system the US Army uses.

Problem is selection of camo pattern.

 

[Suryavanshi]

If you give this job to DRDO, they are going to come up with a good modular load carrying system integrated with BPJ, comparable to the modular system the US Army uses.

Problem is selection of camo pattern.

From what I've observed we only need about 4 camo patterns
One for Rajasthan Gujrat where it's day desert.
One for Kashmir which is mostly lush green.
One for winter in Kashmir and other snowy areas.
One for rocky mountains at indo China front

 

[Haldiram]

https://scroll.in/article/865417/when-an-indian-army-contingent-was-invited-to-visit-britain-in-1919

When an Indian Army contingent was invited to visit Britain in 1919
The contingent had a victory march through London, were given awards by the King and spent several weeks touring the country.

A Victory Parade was held in London on 19 July 1919. Here, Gurkhas from the Indian Army contingent are seen marching up the Mall, with Admiralty Arch in the background | © IWM (Q 14955/IWM Non Commercial Licence

On 19 July 1919, there was a large Victory Parade through the streets of London to mark the end of the First World War. Around 15,000 troops led by the Allied commanders marched to the cheers of thousands of spectators. Bands played in London’s parks, and a memorial to those killed and wounded was unveiled in Whitehall.

The Indian Army had been invited to send a representative contingent to take part in the parade, but problems with shipping and an outbreak of influenza, prevented the contingent from arriving in time. Instead, it was decided that the Indian contingent would have its own Victory March through London as an acknowledgement of the vital role the Indian Armed Forces had played during the War.


Indian Contingent (Sikhs) passing along the Mall. Photo credit: © IWM (Q 14954)
The India Office Records has a number of files on the arrangements for the Peace Contingent’s visit to England, which make fascinating reading. The Contingent consisted of a British detachment of 11 officers and 270 men, an Indian Army detachment of 27 British officers, 465 Indian officers and 985 Indian other ranks, and 34 Imperial Service troops of the Indian Native States. The Contingent arrived in the camp at Hampton Court on 26 July.

Photo credit: British Library/IOR/L/MIL/7/5873

Photo credit: British Library/IOR/L/MIL/7/5873
The procession on August 2 started at Waterloo Station, continued across Westminster Bridge, along Whitehall, and up the Mall to Buckingham Palace. The King inspected the Contingent on the East lawn of the Palace, and presented some awards, including the Victoria Cross to Naik Karanbahadur Rana of the 2nd/3rd Gurkha Rifles. The King then gave a speech thanking the men for their service during the War, which was repeated in Urdu by General Sir Frederick Campbell. The troops were then given tea before returning to their camp.

Photo credit: British Library/IOR/L/MIL/7/5873
After the King’s inspection the British troops were demobilised, but the Indian troops stayed for several weeks camped at Hampton Court. The troops were entertained with outdoor games and sports and in the evenings lectures were given, and a cinema was established by the Young Men’s Christian Association. Groups of officers and men were taken on day trips to London and other parts of Britain.

These trips included a bombing display by the Royal Air Force, the steel works of Vickers Ltd in Sheffield, the shipyards of John Brown and the Fairfield Engineering Works on the Clyde and Portsmouth Dockyard. In London trips were organised to the Houses of Parliament, Tower of London, Kew Gardens, St Paul’s Cathedral, and also to some schools. There were also regular shopping trips to the West End.

Photo credit: British Library/IOR/L/MIL/7/5873

Photo credit: British Library/London Bus Guide 1919 IOR/L/MIL/7/5873
The Peace Contingent left for India in the middle of September 1919, and the India Office marked the occasion by issuing a souvenir book, beautifully illustrated by the artist W Luker Jnr.

The people even gave flowers to Indian soldiers.

Soldier be like "my wife will kill me if she sees this photo in the paper tomorrow"

 

[Pandeyji]

Sent from my Redmi 4A using Tapatalk

We shouldn't do this

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[Suryavanshi]

If you give this job to DRDO, they are going to come up with a good modular load carrying system integrated with BPJ, comparable to the modular system the US Army uses.

Problem is selection of camo pattern.

Look at this image for instance

The camo is okay but the rifle and helmet blow the cover

 

[Adioz]

Look at this image for instance

The camo is okay but the rifle and helmet blow the cover

By modern standards, even the camo is not okay. And then the INSAS in orange furniture
For helmets, they should use helmets with camo, net and tufts to break the silhouette, like these:-

From what I've observed we only need about 4 camo patterns
One for Rajasthan Gujrat where it's day desert.
One for Kashmir which is mostly lush green.
One for winter in Kashmir and other snowy areas.
One for rocky mountains at indo China front

If we try to further narrow down the number of uniforms required, we need:-

• Jungle warfare camo
• Desert camo (for both Thar and Ladakh)
• Snow camo (for lower altitude snow capped areas and snowy winter)
• Siachen White (already in use)

A few interesting reads:-
Resource: Camopedia: India
Resource: Introduction to camouflage and deception -JV Ramana Rao (DRDO):

The shortfalls of current state of affairs have as been discussed before. see:-

In past many paramilitary groups used Army camouflage ( Jungle dress ) as their standard battle uniform, due to this media reporting went saying increase in Army presence where peace was restored and portrait negativity among general mass, Which was untrue and Army did raised its voice regarding uniform discipline among various forces ..

Today the same Army is doing what it stand against in past, If lessons are not learned the problems in past will repeat themselves again, The discipline around uniform should be strict, Their have been violations which are taken lightly by Army itself, This is not tolerable ..

If the present camouflage is not upto the mark, Army should went for its own camouflage like ITBP and BSF ..

Wonderful camouflage based on Marpat, The co lour combination is similar to those of Indian Army, I hope Army adopts this just basic Marpat ..

Sir, the image of camo pattern is missing. Could you please post it again.

 

[Tanmay]

By modern standards, even the camo is not okay. And then the INSAS in orange furniture
For helmets, they should use helmets with camo, net and tufts to break the silhouette, like these:-

If we try to further narrow down the number of uniforms required, we need:-

• Jungle warfare camo
• Desert camo (for both Thar and Ladakh)
• Snow camo (for lower altitude snow capped areas and snowy winter)
• Siachen White (already in use)

A few interesting reads:-
Resource: Camopedia: India
Resource: Introduction to camouflage and deception -JV Ramana Rao (DRDO):

The shortfalls of current state of affairs have as been discussed before. see:-


Sir, the image of camo pattern is missing. Could you please post it again.

Just a noob question.
How often are units rotated from one environment to other. Say desert to mountain area.

And does Army provide the uniform ? If so how many sets. Including the ceremonial type. ( Sorry don't know exact terms )

Or do soldiers buy on their own with allowance provided by the Army.
So they might end of buying from non authorised shops to save money. ( Someone posted above saying OFB produced uniform costs 4500 and private costs 1500)
What's the allowance per year for a jawan and officer.

Considering the job is a field job, uniforms getting torn or worn out will surely be an added pinch to buy from non authorised shops. And even if DRDO puts In Efforts to make a good combat fatigues with low IR visibility and such properties, if troops still buy locally produced fatigues the purpose isn't served.
Just a noob civvy doubt

 

[Doc Mozart]

By modern standards, even the camo is not okay. And then the INSAS in orange furniture
For helmets, they should use helmets with camo, net and tufts to break the silhouette, like these:-

If we try to further narrow down the number of uniforms required, we need:-

• Jungle warfare camo
• Desert camo (for both Thar and Ladakh)
• Snow camo (for lower altitude snow capped areas and snowy winter)
• Siachen White (already in use)

A few interesting reads:-
Resource: Camopedia: India
Resource: Introduction to camouflage and deception -JV Ramana Rao (DRDO):

The shortfalls of current state of affairs have as been discussed before. see:-


Sir, the image of camo pattern is missing. Could you please post it again.

As far as the standard IA camo is concerned, something along the lines of a digital woodland pattern or for that matter a MARPAT along the lines of current colour could do wonders. P.S: Woodland works like a charm in dark forest terrain.

With the winter pattern i think we should take some inspiration from the canadian arctic designs or the finish winter camo.
E.g: Finnish M05 winter camo

And we strictly need to prohibit all sorts of armed services camo from being used by federal and state law enforcements. Instead those guys should go for something along the lines of the UK armed police or the British Metropolitan counterrorism force.

 

[Vinod DX9]

India's Bin Laden arrested

 

[pankaj nema]

Huge jump in allowances for armed forces - Details here

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...e-of-control-terrorism-surgical-strike/180292