Indian Army MRSAM

[Agantrope]

I am not getting into how much better Akash is to its Russian counterpart. Akash is a short range SAM/AD missile, the current radars are more than good enough.

Current is capable of multiple target locking systems, which a very few countries have developed on their own and we did it.

 

[Agantrope]

A SAM's job is to take down aerial objects. And SA-6 on which Akash is based is a 40 year old missile. Technology has progressed since then.

Still a petrochas can take out an F-16 rite? What if it is 40 year old or 10 year old? we need to take out an aircraft in the sky entering into our premise, thats the aim rite?

 

[Singh]

1. This is mainly for the ship defense, because LR-SAM will be mainly used for the ship protection and please take a look at the main post.

1.

In February 2006, therefore, Israel and India signed a joint development agreement to create a new Barak-NG medium shipborne air defense missile, as an evolution of the Barak-1 system in service with both navies. In July 2007 the counterpart MR-SAM project began moving forward, aiming to develop a medium range SAM for use with India�s land forces. Both missiles would now be called Barak-8.

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/sh...rak-II-missile?p=121668&viewfull=1#post121668


2.

IAI's brochure.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xE...AAJbg/EkP0cRdUkmo/s1600-h/DSC00133-702720.JPG

2. If not, the MoD is a ****** to allow the funds for the mk-II and sales of nearly $1.3B is a crappy??
3. Yes, i well do understand the concept

Akash is a Shorad.

4. For Aakash or Barak?
Aakash these are speculation around, i may be wrong; but barak there is in the source please check that again.

There are going to be different ranges of Barak depending on the model. From ~60 to ~160km.

Aakash is a missile with passive seeker, where as Barak is not, both are of different classes, dont compare with the range alone. Do some more analysis please...

Before asking me to do more analysis, I suggest you do due dilligence.
Akash is not passively guided but is command guided.

See the context of the post. LF wanted a brand new Akash missile with a longer range which addressed the shortcomings of current Akash missile. In essence he wanted a new missile like Barak 8 for which there is no need, since we are already developing Barak 8. Understand ?
And as I also mentioned conceivable there can be a case for a longer range Akash missile in its current avatar.

Current is capable of multiple target locking systems, which a very few countries have developed on their own and we did it.

Yeah we have developed a radar which can guide a Shorad ? So ? Very few countries are in a volatile region like ours and very few countries have an aspiration to be a superpower.

Still a petrochas can take out an F-16 rite? What if it is 40 year old or 10 year old? we need to take out an aircraft in the sky entering into our premise, thats the aim rite?

Knives can kill a man rite ? we need to kill the enemy. Enemy is a man. so we arm ourselves with knives, rite ?

Btw Indian Pechoras have already crossed their shelf life. Pechoras are an old technology and not enough for our current and future needs.
THe serbs used a SA-6 to down F-16, There were also a lot of cases of Blue on Blue in which Serb fighters were downed by their own missiles and in case you didn't notice the Nato air forces made a mockery of Serbian air defence.

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And please don't use multiple posts, use a single post to reply.

 

[Agantrope]

@Singh,

India and Israel agreed to jointly develop a new long range, land-based air defense system to replace the aging Pechora (SA-3 GOA) missiles currently in service with the Indian Air Force. Covering a range of 70 km, the new missile will almost double the range of the 60km vertically launched Barak 8 shipborne missile (also known as Barak NG) currently being developed for the Indian and Israeli Navies under a US$480 million five year program launched in early 2006.

http://defense-update.com/products/b/barak8.htm

I ll get more the aakash soon.

 

[Singh]

Covering a range of 70 km, the new missile will almost double the range of the 60km vertically launched Barak 8 shipborne missile

70km is not double the range of 60Km !

I ll get more the aakash soon.

Good and post that in the Akash missile thread. Again google and find the difference between command and passive guidance.

THis thread will be merged with the original Barak 2 thread.

 

[plugwater]

Can someone please confirm these details?

Short Range Barak(only Navy)= 10-12 km
Medium Range Barak(only airforce) = 60 km
Long Range Barak(Both navy and airforce) = 70 km
Extended Long Range(only navy)= 120 km

 

[Patriot]

http://idrw.org/?p=1829

Indo-Israeli Barak-2 missile successfully test-fired: DRDO chief
BY: India Today Group.



The Indo-Israeli Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) was successfully test fired in Israel last fortnight. "The 70-km missile was fired at an electronic target and met with its initial objectives," DRDO chief Dr Vijay Saraswat said in an exclusive interview with India Today.

The second test of the missile will be held in India sometime later this year. The missile will be integrated by Indian technicians. The LR-SAM area defence missile is being jointly developed by India and Israel under a Rs 2500 crore project which began in 2006. The missile, also called the Barak-2 are to equip the three guided missile destroyers of the Project 15A class. The three destroyers are to join the Indian navy in one year intervals beginning in 2012.

"We will deliver the system to the armed forces in 2013. I am very confident it will be an astounding success," Dr Saraswat said. A second variant, called the Medium Range SAM (MR-SAM) is being developed for the Indian Air Force under a Rs 10,000 crore project signed in 2009. The MR-SAM is to replace all the IAF's ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles. According to naval officials, a 100-km range theatre defence version called the Extended Range SAM is being developed for the four Project 15B destroyers.

 

[nandu]

Barak LR-SAM First Test Firing!

The Barak-8 next generation long range surface to air missile (LR-SAM) being developed and funded jointly by IAI and DRDO, had its first test-flight last fortnight, reports India Today associate editor Sandeep Unnithan, with a second test to take place at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in India later this year. I had reported in January about the first impending flight that is reported to have taken place a fortnight ago. My post about the Barak-8 advert is here, and more impression images of the missile are here.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/

 

[Patriot]

Joint Indian-Israeli LR-SAM Tested
Jun 14, 2010
By Neelam Mathews [email protected]
NEW DELHI

The jointly developed Indian/Israeli Long-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR-SAM) was test fired in Israel within the last two weeks, according to local news reports.

Known as Barak-2, the system is due for a second test later this year.

"[The] Defense Research Development Organization (DRDO) is jointly developing the next generation surface-to-air missile system and the MFSTAR multi-function radar under a contract with a collaborator [Israel Aerospace Industries]," Indian chief of the naval staff Adm. Nirmal Kumar Verma told AVIATION WEEK recently. "The contract also provides for adaptation, installation, trials and product support. The first of the systems will be operationalized with the commissioning of the first of the P15A destroyers. We are hoping it will get commissioned in 2012."

The missile will be installed on the three Project 15A-class guided missile destroyers being built in Russia, which are due to join the Indian navy at one-year intervals beginning in 2012.

Another variant, the Medium-Range SAM (MR-SAM), is under development for the Indian air force to replace Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles. It is said Pakistan is looking at an LR-SAM system to act as a deterrence and defensive layer on the India-Pakistan border.







http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?topicName=india&id=news/awx/2010/06/14/awx_06_14_2010_p0-233902.xml&headline=Joint Indian-Israeli LR-SAM Tested

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Israel snubs Turkey on Barak-8

Israel has refused to provide Turkey with the advanced Barak-8 missile interceptor over fears it could end up in the possession of the Iranian government.

Intelligence sources in Israel and a number of Western countries claimed on Friday that Turkish naval chiefs have made several requests to acquire Barak-8, which was developed by Israel and India in a joint partnership beginning in 2004.

Equipped with a 360-degree coverage offering radar, the Barak-8 system can be installed on warships to intercept incoming missiles within a 500 meter distance.

DEBKA, which is closely affiliated with the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, revealed Friday that Israeli officials turned down the requests lest Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan allow Iran's military to study the Barak-8 and analyze its technology.

According to the report, Israel cannot afford to let Iran get hold of the technology used in Barak-8 as the system is a key defensive component for the Israeli warships patrolling the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean.

The report further added that growing relations between Tehran and Ankara have prompted Israeli officials to cut off all advanced weapons supplies to the Turkish armed forces.

Tel Aviv has kept a watchful eye on military contracts signed with the Islamic Republic in recent years.

Israeli officials have gone to great lengths to stop Russia from selling Iran the mobile land-based S-300 system designed to detect and shoot down aircrafts within a 120 km (75 miles) distance.

Codenamed 'the SA-20 Gargoyle' by NATO, the system also features high jamming immunity and is capable of simultaneously engaging up to 100 targets.

 

[black eagle]

India Building An Effective & Sophisticated Air Defence Network
The Barak-8, the next generation long-range surface-to-air missile that India and Israel are currently developing as part of a co-development contract signed in 2007.

The Barak-8, the next generation long-range surface-to-air missile that India and Israel are currently developing as part of a co-development contract signed in 2007. IAI has published very little about the missile in the past, and continues to keep it's specs under wraps.

The new generation Barak-8 Air and Missile Defense weapon system currently provides a complete solution to every type of airborne threat, whether that threat be from aircraft, tactical missiles, helicopters, or unmanned aerial vehicles. The system has two versions - maritime and land-based - each relying on an advanced, phased-array radar integrated with an advanced launch system containing "smart" missile interceptors, and a state-of-the-art command and control (C2) system, altogether providing full 360 degree coverage.

Barak-8 is unique in that it has a built-in 'intelligence' within the missile battery's C2 system. The C2 system can 'talk' with other missile batteries, with external radars, and with air traffic control systems, creating an optimized scenario for detecting, engaging, and destroying the target. It is manifested by the threat being automatically neutralized through the most appropriate missile battery launching the missile. Especially impressive is that a radar connected to a given missile battery that may have detected the threat may not necessarily be part of the same battery that will respond to the threat. This allows us to maximize the system's capabilities and create the most optimal interception scenario. It should be noted that the advanced, digital, phased-array radar was specifically developed by IAI Elta Systems, Ltd.

The system is designed from the start to intercept planes and tactical missiles such as air-to-ground missiles and naval anti-ship missiles. The Barak-8 is based on advanced concepts of defence system architecture, including advanced seekers, warheads, high performance manoeuvring capabilities, and the ability to be optimally controlled. The missile can receive and process continuous updates on the position and flight trajectory of the target, and use these updates to adjust it's own flight to best intercept and destroy the target. The unique missile propulsion system allows the missile to maintain energy, even after it has been airborne for an extended time, and reserve sufficient energy for the end-game or the target's final engagement and hit. It must be remembered that the enemy missile is also trying to manoeuvre and evade the Barak-8.

The battlefield does not only have one or two threats that the Barak-8 must neutralize; in fact, there are a wide range of threats, coming from all directions and creating a number of potential targets, including our own forces' airplanes.

Everything that was mentioned up until this point applies to any number of threats. Of course, no one battery, no matter how sophisticated, will be able to deal with dozens of missiles simultaneously. Integration and network coordination of resources creates synergy among the batteries and helps to successfully deal with a battlefield saturated with targets. For instance, within a given formation or fleet of naval ships, each equipped with a Barak-8, they communicate with one another through the secure communication channels and data link within the integrated system. In an automated manner, the system knows how to optimally allocate targets throughout various batteries of the naval formation, and among the various batteries of the network; and eliminate every threat, be it missiles, planes, or helicopters.

Similarly, land-based versions of the Barak-8 system can be easily and quickly deployed across tens of kilometers between the individually deployed batteries, and provide 360 degree coverage over the widest possible protected area against cruise missiles, airborne munitions launched from planes or ships, and other threats.

The system has the ability to interconnect with other systems and can thereby receive information on the threat from a wide variety of sources. The new version of the Barak Missile is in it's final stages of development by Israel and India and is to be completed in 2010-2011. IAI already has customers for both the maritime and land-based defence systems with India bound to place a huge order to arm and equip almost all Indian warships with the Barak and cover a huge border region spanning all way from the western borders with Pakistan till the north eastern borders with China.

 

[nrj]

Barak 8 to be test fired this year



Test firing of the Barak 8 missile is expected this year. "Testing will be conducted in India and is part of the responsibilities of our strategic partner in this program, India's Defense Research & Development Organization (DRDO)" IAI officials told Defense-Update. The missile is on schedule to complete development and be integrated on board the first combat vessels by 2012.

After being inducted into service, the system will continue development and phased improvement, toward its full operational capability phase. Barak 8 is designed to be fielded on both Israel and Indian Navy vessels.

In 2006 Israel and India embarked on a strategic cooperation in developing a new naval air defense system that will address the specific, common requirements of both Israel and Indian navies. The system, known as Barak-8 introduces a revolutionary concept of 'network-centric air defense', incorporating the best technologies India and Israel could offer.

Such technologies include superior missile interceptors, the latest technology phased array radars, state-of-the-art command, control and communications, integrated with missionized land-based and airborne command and control, coupled with unmanned aerial sensors.

Three years ago the program expanded this concept, adding another dimension to the Indo-Israeli cooperation, embarking on the Medium-Range Surface-to-Air missile (MRSAM) system, protecting strategic targets on land. Both programs are progressing well as IAI's partners in India are actively involved and taking part in every phase of the development.

Source

 

[adyonfire4]

A good piece of work for both nations.

 

[plugwater]

India To Test Fire Barak Missile This Year


The first test flight of the Indo-Israeli long-range, surface-to-air missile (LR-SAM), also called Barak-2, will be undertaken this year, says a senior official at India's defense research agency.
The Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO), the prime developer of the project, says the missile, at an estimated cost of 26.06 billion rupees ($581 million), has reached its final stage. "We expect to carry out the test flight soon," the official adds. The test flight of Barak-2 will be one of 11 missile tests scheduled by DRDO this year. It had been expected last year. According to the DRDO official, more than 70% of the content in the missile will be indigenous.
Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), the key partner of the program, says the missile is designed to be used as a point-defense system on warships, defending against aircraft, anti-ship missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles. The missile can hit targets at a range of 70-100 km (37-62 mi.).
The first test of the missile was held in Israel last May. The LR-SAM will equip the three guided missile destroyers of the Project 15A class, which are likely to join the Indian navy in 2012.
IAI officials say the missiles, which are mounted in an eight-cell container and are launched straight up, are undergoing simulated tests in Israel. The radar system provides a 360-deg. coverage, and the missiles can take down an incoming target as close as 500 meters (1,640 ft.) from the ship.
Along with the indigenously built Akash SAM (Aerospace DAILY, March 28), the LR-SAM fills a longer-range requirement of the Indian defense system, and both types will complement each other.
A second variant, called the Medium-Range SAM (MR-SAM), is also being developed for the Indian air force (IAF) at a cost of about 100 billion rupees. The project, signed in 2009, is expected to replace all the IAF's aging Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles.
A high-level defense team from Israel visited New Delhi two weeks ago and had detailed discussions with senior military and DRDO officials on the missile program. Israel has become one of the top defense suppliers to India, after Russia. Indo-Israel defense cooperation underwent a strategic shift recently when New Delhi decided to spend a major chunk of its defense budget on purchases from Israel.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...s/awx/2011/03/28/awx_03_28_2011_p0-302395.xml

 

[plugwater]

Hardened Air Cover With MR-SAMs & LR-SAMs


[FONT=&quot]If everything proceeds as planned, then the first strategic military-industrial joint sector partnership between India and Israel will soon witness its first success with the maiden test-firing in India of the Barak-2 surface-to-air missile. The Barak-2, also known as Barak-8 in Israel, will be available from 2013 in two versions--the 70km-range vertically-launched medium-range surface-to-air missile (MR-SAM) variant for the Indian Navy, and a 120km-range long-range (LR-SAM) variant for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Both variants are presently being co-developed by a consortium of entities that include India's Hyderabad-based Defence Research & Development Laboratory (DRDL), Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) and Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) on one hand, and a consortium of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and TATA Advanced Systems, called NOVA Integrated Systems Pvt Ltd. The MR-SAM variant is also likely to be inducted into service by the Indian Army in future. The MR-SAM's critical design review was completed by early May 2008 and its DRDL-developed two-stage pulsed rocket motor was successfully test-fired earlier the same year. The first six sets of these rocket motors were shipped to IAI by the DRDL in July 2008 for further test and integration activities. Series production is due to begin in 2011 at the Hyderabad-based facilities of BDL and NOVA Integrated Systems. From the Indian side, the principal R & D players for both variants of the Barak-2 are the DRDL, Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI) and Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), and the Bangalore-based Electronics R & D Establishment (LRDE). Israeli companies participating in the joint venture are the MLM and ELTA Systems business divisions of IAI. While IAI/MLM is responsible for developing the guided-missiles along with the DRDL, RCI and ASL, IAI/ELTA will co-develop along with the LRDE and BEL the command-and-control system and related fire-control system (for both variants of the Barak-2). [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]It may be recalled that India and Israel inked the Barak-2 MR-SAM's joint five-year R & D contract--valued at US$556 million--on January 27, 2006, following 17 months of exhaustive negotiations. For extended ground-based long-range air defence India's Cabinet Committee on National Security on July 12, 2007 approved a $2.47 billion project to co-develop the LR-SAM variant. Subsequently, on February 27, 2009 India signed a $1.4 billion procurement contract with IAI for the Barak-2 LR-SAM, and this was followed in April the same year by a $1.1 billion contract for procuring the Barak-2's naval MR-SAM variant. In January 2009, TATA Advanced Systems and IAI entered into a military-industrial partnership for creating Nova Integrated Systems and pumped in an initial investment of $200 million. IAI held 26% and TATA 76% in the joint venture. NOVA Integrated Systems subsequently acquired an initial 30 acres of land [/FONT][FONT=&quot]at the Aerospace and Precision Engineering Special Economic Zone (being developed by [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corp) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]in Adibatla, near Hyderabad, with work on infrastructure development taking off in August 2009. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Current plans call for the Indian Navy to install between 36 and 48 Barak-2 MR-SAMs on board each of its three Project 15A Kolkata-class guided-missile destroyers (DDG) now being fitted out at Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks Ltd, as well as on board each of its seven planned Project 17A guided-missile frigates and the four Project 15B DDGs. On the other hand, the Barak-2 LR-SAM's launch customer will be the IAF, with the Navy opting for this missile for installation on board its first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier that is now being fabricated at Cochin Shipyard Ltd. The IAF has already committed itself to procuring an initial batch of nine Barak-2 LR-SAM squadrons.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The vertical launch cell modules for the Barak-2 MR-SAM are now being developed by Mumbai-based Larsen & Toubro Ltd, with an eight-cell module weighing 1,700kg. The Barak-2 will make use of a novel nose-mounted dual guidance system: an active phased-array radar for guidance over the final 30km terminal phase of its flight; and a miniaturised, gimbal-mounted imaging infra-red seeker using an indium antimonide staring focal plane array operating in the 3 to 5 micron wavelength band. During the initial fly-out phase of flight, the Barak-2's seeker window will remain covered with a two-piece clamshell protection shroud. Metal bladders installed in the shroud will be inflated to eject the protective shroud before the combined seekers initiate target acquisition. High agility will be maintained through a tungsten jet-vane system for thrust vector control, combined with advanced electro-pneumatic control actuation systems and electro-pneumatic control actuation systems. The Barak-2 will also have a 60kg pre-fragmented warhead that in turn will use a laser-based digital proximity fuze. Service ceiling of the MR-SAM variant will be 16km, and 24 such missiles will be able to simultaneously engage 12 airborne targets. During its boost- and mid-course guidance phases, the SAM will use an integral data link to receive guidance cues from the shipborne EL/M-2248 MF-STAR S-band solid-state active phased-array multi-function surveillance, track and guidance radar developed by the ELTA Systems subsidiary of IAI. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]For the IAF's ground-based LR-SAM variant, command-and-control plus fire-control will be provided by a containerised system weighing only 1,300kg. Target search and tracking will be performed by a ground-based version of the MF-STAR, known as the EL/M-2258. On the other hand, the MR-SAM variant for the Army will make use of the motorised EL/M-2084 active phased-array multi-mode radar. Weighing about seven tonnes, the MF-STAR uses four flat, lightweight antenna arrays. For weapons guidance, the MF-STAR supports different operating modes, including mid-course guidance for active air defence missiles and illumination enslavement for semi-active air defence missiles, thus making dedicated guidance radar systems redundant. The radar also incorporates an automatic splash detection and measurement mode to support naval gunnery in maritime security and close-in defence roles. Current plans call for the Indian Navy to procure 500 Barak-2s, with the Army expected to procure up to 1,500 missiles. The IAF will be acquiring about 1,000 LR-SAMs

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/04/hardened-air-cover-with-mr-sams-lr-sams.html
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[plugwater]

So finally some details

MR-SAM - 70 km range for both IA and IN, serial production in 2011.

LR-SAM - 120 km range for IAF, serial production in 2013.

 

[p2prada]

WoW. 3000 SAMs would mean effective engagement of 1500 targets. This does not add AAD, PDV etc.

 

[plugwater]

We need something like S-400 to cover our entire border IMO. 120 km SAMs can only be used to secure vital installations.

 

[plugwater]

 

[Oracle]

We need something like S-400 to cover our entire border IMO. 120 km SAMs can only be used to secure vital installations.

S-400's range is 400 kms and comes under MTCR right? Is DRDO developing anything of this range?