Indian Army general service vehicle

[Flame Thrower]

I read that IED attacks(similar attacks by naxals) on our forces....

I fear that these attacks are more to come and usind TATA in Kashmir will only increase our soldiers loss, in protection point of view I feel that it is no where close to Humvee.

So can anyone suggest how to deal with this problem

 

[G10]

The commercial storme has maintenance issues after1-1.5 years. Particularly shock absorbers and convertor. Hope military version is better.

 

[AbRaj]

Gypsy does what Indian army wants it to do. It falls under the GS500 (general service 500kg). Xenon is larger and falls outside this category. It's not cramped for what it's asked to do. and I suspect that safari did not compete in this category.

Its like using horse to do the work of elephant. Is this 500kg limit is necessary for this kind of job?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread merged into main thread, Continue posting ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Our own Indian Army use 2.5ton TATA truck modifications regularly on fields areas more than General purpose vehicles, Know you Army first and your own kind.

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Normal troop transporter

Improvised Cabinet mounted, For transportation purpose in tough weather.

Field ambulance version.

Water tanker

Patrol vehicle

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It took place of Nissan 1 ton, Few of you may not know about it as it existed and retired, before many of you born.

Its the best vehicle that Army had after Jonga and shaktiman, Though Stallion is better than Shaktiman and a true replacement, But still their no true replacement came for other two.

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Read up the thread, This thread is about Army general purpose vehicle bot LSV or MPV, Their are other thread for other such discussions.

TATA Safari which will come into service will not be same as Civilian version, Its best not to compare it with it on first place, Just like TATA Sumo example as posted on this very thread.

they r planning to replace entire gypsy fleet....do u think that heavy weight, fully packed tata storme can be use in war field ?

I read that IED attacks(similar attacks by naxals) on our forces....

I fear that these attacks are more to come and usind TATA in Kashmir will only increase our soldiers loss, in protection point of view I feel that it is no where close to Humvee.

So can anyone suggest how to deal with this problem

Do you know the kerb weight of a Land Rover? Its 2000kg. Is it used in a war? yes.
From mountains to deserts to swamps. By British Army and special forces.

Weight has got nothing to do with the utility of a vehicle. Far too many things involved.

Its like using horse to do the work of elephant. Is this 500kg limit is necessary for this kind of job?

 

[Krusty]

If youre concerned that the safari doesnt perform in Ladakh, dont worry.
It goes right upto khardung la without any issues.

most vehicles available to civilians today will make it. I'm not saying the safari will not make it.That is not the point. It's not the same as me driving up to Khardung la. In combat situations where it has to pull a lot of weight very quickly across rough terrain. That is the issue. I could actually feel the drop in performance when I was driving my friends Scorpio which was not even heavily loaded up harshil and that's only about 12000 feet. Imagine carrying 800kgs of men in full combat gear and possibly towing something else as fast as possible under enemy fire at 15000 feet where every second matters..

 

[Krusty]

Its like using horse to do the work of elephant. Is this 500kg limit is necessary for this kind of job?

Horse will do horses job. As for elephant jobs, IA has the medium/heavy 4x4 trucks and 6x6 if really needed. What kind of jobs are you talking about? Can you give examples?

Edit: never mind, @Kunal Biswas covered it comprehensively in his previous post.

 

[Chinmoy]

I assume Safari is in 800kg catagory ..

Actually its civilian version is a 2 tonner. Can't say about the one offered to IA. With bigger and wider radial tires, I don't see its weight coming down substantially.

 

[Krusty]

Actually its civilian version is a 2 tonner. Can't say about the one offered to IA. With bigger and wider radial tires, I don't see its weight coming down substantially.

800 is not the weight of the vehicle. Gs500 and 800 are the payload they are supposed to carry

 

[armyofhind]

most vehicles available to civilians today will make it. I'm not saying the safari will not make it.That is not the point. It's not the same as me driving up to Khardung la. In combat situations where it has to pull a lot of weight very quickly across rough terrain. That is the issue. I could actually feel the drop in performance when I was driving my friends Scorpio which was not even heavily loaded up harshil and that's only about 12000 feet. Imagine carrying 800kgs of men in full combat gear and possibly towing something else as fast as possible under enemy fire at 15000 feet where every second matters..

Not getting the EFI system tuned for high altitudes at the service centre before commencing the trip could be one of the reasons.
That is one problem with an EFI. One cannot tune it by oneself.
Carburettors are ahead in this respect. Thats why bikers going to ladakh on carburetted machines face less of a problem there. Any biker worth his salt or even a local mechanic can tune the fuel/air mix for higher altitude with lesser oxygen content.

 

[Krusty]

Not getting the EFI system tuned for high altitudes at the service centre before commencing the trip could be one of the reasons.
That is one problem with an EFI. One cannot tune it by oneself.
Carburettors are ahead in this respect. Thats why bikers going to ladakh on carburetted machines face less of a problem there. Any biker worth his salt or even a local mechanic can tune the fuel/air mix for higher altitude with lesser oxygen content.

Agree. This is why I hate electronics in cars. To be fair, just resetting ECU will allow it to recalibrate according to the temperature and pressure. However, get it wrong and you will be stuck with an immobile vehicle. Pretty risky. Carbs are crude, but awesome. But when it comes to military vehicles, one of my main concern is all the ECU/EMU chips are made in China. It doesn't take a lot to give away your position. I'd be very VERY skeptical unless we make our own electronic components.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The version of Safari Storme for the army is quite different from the one available for civilians. The drivetrain has been upgraded and the suspension has been majorly modified to take care of off-road capabilities.

The army wanted to move away from a GS 500 (General Service 500kg) platform, which includes the Gypsy, to a GS 800 (800kg) platform as the need was for a hardtop vehicle with a heavier payload carrying capacity.

Source : http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-news/maruti-gypsy-out-tata-safari-new-army-vehicle-403693.aspx

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Tata Safari Storme GS 800 4x4

Vehicle specification of the Tata Safari Storme GS 800 4x4:

Application
• General Service vehicle for the Armed forces
• Escort Vehicle
• Staff Car
• Patrolling Vehicle

Mobility
• Tata 2.2 L Direct injection common rail Turbocharged Intercooled Diesel Engine
• Max Engine output: 140 HP at 4000 rpm
• Max Torque: 320 Nm at 1700-2700 rpm
• Power to weight Ratio: 44.3 Hp/ton
• Max Speed: 160 kmph
• Fording Depth: 300 mm
• Max Gradeability : 26 deg
• Min. turning circle Dia: 10.8 m
• Payload: 825 kg
• Gross Vehicle Weight: 3000 kg
• Power Steering

Fitments
• AC with 4 speed blower & multidirectional nozzles with provision for adjustable air supply to passengers. Concealed roof A/C for rear passengers.
• Hot air type defrosting & demisting for front windshield glass
• Driver and passenger airbags
• Anti Lock Braking System
• Remote controlled central door locking with Engine Immobilizer
• Separate map reading light for front and rear passengers
• Delayed interior lightening unit (Theatre Dimming)
• Approach light
• Outside rear view mirrors with LH/RH blinkers & defroster, electrically adjustable from inside
• Door safety lamps cum puddle lamps on doors
• Power windows on 4 side doors

Crew Capacity
• Driver + 6 Configuration
• Reclining front bucket seats with fore/aft adjustment, adjustable head rests & lumbar support
• Middle seat for 3 persons
• Jump seats at the rear


Source : http://apheritage.blogspot.in/2015/11/tata-safari-storme-gs-800-4x4.html

 

[Krusty]

Tata Safari Storme GS 800 4x4

Vehicle specification of the Tata Safari Storme GS 800 4x4:

Application
• General Service vehicle for the Armed forces
• Escort Vehicle
• Staff Car
• Patrolling Vehicle

Mobility
• Tata 2.2 L Direct injection common rail Turbocharged Intercooled Diesel Engine
• Max Engine output: 140 HP at 4000 rpm
• Max Torque: 320 Nm at 1700-2700 rpm
• Power to weight Ratio: 44.3 Hp/ton
• Max Speed: 160 kmph
• Fording Depth: 300 mm
• Max Gradeability : 26 deg
• Min. turning circle Dia: 10.8 m
• Payload: 825 kg
• Gross Vehicle Weight: 3000 kg
• Power Steering

Fitments
• AC with 4 speed blower & multidirectional nozzles with provision for adjustable air supply to passengers. Concealed roof A/C for rear passengers.
• Hot air type defrosting & demisting for front windshield glass
• Driver and passenger airbags
• Anti Lock Braking System
• Remote controlled central door locking with Engine Immobilizer
• Separate map reading light for front and rear passengers
• Delayed interior lightening unit (Theatre Dimming)
• Approach light
• Outside rear view mirrors with LH/RH blinkers & defroster, electrically adjustable from inside
• Door safety lamps cum puddle lamps on doors
• Power windows on 4 side doors

Crew Capacity
• Driver + 6 Configuration
• Reclining front bucket seats with fore/aft adjustment, adjustable head rests & lumbar support
• Middle seat for 3 persons
• Jump seats at the rear


Source : http://apheritage.blogspot.in/2015/11/tata-safari-storme-gs-800-4x4.html

Sir, was there a fixed cost per vehicle that was set by the army? Just curious because this isn't the top spec engine available for the safari.

Off topic, this probably means there will be army gypsies up for auction. If anyone's interested

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I cannot say much about it, I don`t have much knowledge regarding it ..

 

[Adioz]

It took place of Nissan 1 ton, Few of you may not know about it as it existed and retired, before many of you born.

Its the best vehicle that Army had after Jonga and shaktiman, Though Stallion is better than Shaktiman and a true replacement, But still their no true replacement came for other two.

I remember going to Nepal in one of these. I was very young back then. Funny I do not remember Nepal but still remember the 1 ton.

When you mention these old vehicles like Jonga, Shaktiman and 1 ton, a strong feeling of nostalgia hits me. I used to love their sturdy, old-school looks.

Damn. I sound like an old man. And I am not even 25 yet.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I remember going to Nepal in one of these. I was very young back then. Funny I do not remember Nepal but still remember the 1 ton.

When you mention these old vehicles like Jonga, Shaktiman and 1 ton, a strong feeling of nostalgia hits me. I used to love their sturdy, old-school looks.

Damn. I sound like an old man. And I am not even 25 yet.

Shaktiman used to be my school bus and Jonga was the best specially the bullet proof jonga.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Off topic :

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Shut up and take my money ..

 

[aditya10r]

Off topic :

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Shut up and take my money ..

Can I buy 1 aut kitna deti hai??????????

I won't Mind giving away my Tiago for that thing....

 

[Krusty]

Can I buy 1 aut kitna deti hai??????????

I won't Mind giving away my Tiago for that thing....

Check if they are up for auction. I live near Avadi and there are so many army vehicles that are put up for auctions regularly. It's awesome.you will find all sorts of gems.