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Kunal Biswas

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I think those are for drills, Not sure they can fire real ammunition ..

300 guns were meant to be upgraded, 180 guns were upgraded by Soltam. The older Soltam upgrade was not very successful and the company was banned before any tech transfer could take place.

About 300 M-46 guns would be upgraded now, private companies and OFB will compete for the contract.

Nice going Kunal. Do we have an idea how many M46 were upgraded to 155mm? I like those of the NCC. I wonder if those guns work?
 
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No, I had this on my HD for sometime but was unable to find earlier ..
 

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Now only if we could have DRDO look into mounting the ATAGS on the Arjun chassis. Maybe they plan to do this after ATAGS is cleared for production. Now this could end in very different ways:-
  • DRDO Bhim Mk-II (nice name for ATAGS on Arjun chassis :cool1:) is accepted and instead of ordering more Vajra SPH, Army orders more Bhims. The increased numbers of Arjun chassis and the government push for "Buy Indian" might just make the case for more Arjun Mk-2, since economies of scale will bring down the costs of setting up new MRO facilities.
  • Bhim Mk-II is rejected based on the chassis selected, since the Army might not be too keen to see more "heavy" and expensive Arjun chassis in service. What if the DRDO now floats an idea of ATAGS on FMBT chassis to create a Bhim Mk-III (keep 'em coming :hat:)?
    • Now the Army might not agree with this, considering that need for SPGs is immediate while the FMBT is nowhere in sight.
    • Or the Army could be convinced (with government nudge) if DRDO sells their prospective product right. DRDO can put forward the logic that FMBT and Bhim Mk-III will have the same chassis, and since FMBT is slated to replace the entire Russian tank fleet, economies of scale will mean that the Army will get a sizable number of both the FMBT and Bhim Mk-III produced for a much smaller cost (initial, training, maintenance and operational costs). A compromise might be reached where the Army agrees to make do with a smaller number of K-9 Vajra. This will expedite the FMBT program as well, due to increased urgency. This will also allow us to create an almost all-Indian Armoured-combined arms, straight from an almost all-Russian Armoured-combined force (including Indian-made IFV and QRSAM as well). If the idea is presented like this in front of the current government, there is no way they are not going to pounce on this opportunity and ensure that this happens.:india2::notbad:
Add to that the icing on the cake if Army selects an Indian assault rifle as the next standard issue. The Army would have cut its Foreign dependency for the most part. Navy is already craving indigenous when the quality is there (and sometimes even when its not). Only the Air Force will be left in the picture as an import-heavy and import dependent force. That is sure to put some pressure on them to consider buying more Tejas and AMCA.:cruisin2:
 
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Army Test-Fires Ultra-Light Howitzer Guns It Received From US, 3 Decades After Bofors


NEW DELHI:
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  1. Field trials on for 2 long-range ultra-light howitzers in Pokhran
  2. Trials will continue till September for formation of the "firing table"
  3. 3 more guns will be supplied to Army in September, 2018 for training

Exhaustive field trials are being carried out on two long-range ultra-light howitzers in Pokhran which the Indian Army received from the US after a gap of 30 years since the Bofors scandal broke out, an official said.

The test-firing of the guns is primarily aimed at collating and determining various critical data like trajectory, speed and frequency of fire of the M-777 A-2 ultra-light howitzers (ULH) which are expected to be mostly deployed along the border with China.

The trials will continue till September for formation of the "firing table" which is a major aspect of the overall induction process, said the Army official privy to the trials on the condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.


The 155 mm, 39-calibre guns will fire Indian ammunition. Three more guns will be supplied to the Army in September, 2018 for training. Thereafter, induction will commence from March 2019 onwards with five guns per month till the complete consignment is received by mid-2021.

"The trials have been going on smoothly and various data are being collected for formation of the firing table," the official said, adding the aim was to ensure that there was no delay in the induction of the guns.


The Army badly needs the howitzers considering the evolving regional security scenario.

India had last procured howitzers in the mid-1980s from Swedish defence major Bofors. The alleged pay-offs in the deal and its subsequent political ramifications had severely crippled the Indian Army's procurement of artillery guns. The Army had received the howitzers in May as part of an order for 145 guns.

India had struck a government-to-government deal with the US last November for supply of the 145 howitzers at a cost of nearly Rs 5,000 crore.

While 25 guns will come in a fly-away condition, the rest will be assembled in India by the BAE Systems in partnership with Mahindra Defence.

The Army has been pressing the government to speed up its modernisation programme.

In a major decision, the government last week had empowered the Vice Chief of the Army to procure critical ammunition and spares for key weapons systems to maintain combat readiness for short duration "intense wars".

The move, aimed at filling the "voids" in the Army's combat readiness, came amid nearly a month-long standoff between the armies of India and China in the Dokalam area as well as heightened Indo-Pak tension along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.
 

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I guess next news awaited is that OFB saying faulty shell was used by IA during trials...
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#ALERT Muzzle of the barrel of a Made in India artillery howitzer Dhanush burst during trials. Major incident averted. Details awaited

 

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This is the third time this is happening in Pokhran. In 2013 a shell burst within the barrel, causing the barrel to get damages. In May 2017, muzzle was damaged as a shell burst just as it ejected from the barrel. This time too, the muzzle broke suggesting that shell might have burst after ejecting out of the barrel. Last two times, it was concluded that the ammunition was faulty. I guess, this time too since the burst happened in the muzzle and not the barrel, the conclusion will be that the ammunition is faulty.

The shell made by OFB is either of hopeless quality or there is something greatly wrong about quality of muzzle break or barrel of Dhanush.

Why would a shell burst in the first place? What is a shell made up of? Isn't it just like a bullet? Does a bullet ever burst
 

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He deleted the tweet. Cool down people.
Could be a test.

Even if true, it's no big deal. These things happen.
It's best they start exploding now rather than on battlefied.
 

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This is the third time this is happening in Pokhran. In 2013 a shell burst within the barrel, causing the barrel to get damages. In May 2017, muzzle was damaged as a shell burst just as it ejected from the barrel. This time too, the muzzle broke suggesting that shell might have burst after ejecting out of the barrel. Last two times, it was concluded that the ammunition was faulty. I guess, this time too since the burst happened in the muzzle and not the barrel, the conclusion will be that the ammunition is faulty.

The shell made by OFB is either of hopeless quality or there is something greatly wrong about quality of muzzle break or barrel of Dhanush.

Why would a shell burst in the first place? What is a shell made up of? Isn't it just like a bullet? Does a bullet ever burst
Bullets are solid lead with copper jackets. Artillery shells are hollow steel containers which is packed with explosives. The nose or base of the shell has a device screwed in which is the fuze. This is the part that detonates the explosive filling. Burst barrel could either mean the fuze initiated because of a flaw in the tube rifling or the muzzle break is out of alignment or the fuze itself is faulty.
 

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