Indian Army Artillery

[Kunal Biswas]

Pictures from Eastern Front :

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It would be logical to replace majority of these 105mm guns replaced with 155MM M46 and M777..

And more PJ-10 ..

 

[sayareakd]

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enjoy

 

[sayareakd]

DRDO Brainstorms With Private Industry On 155mm Towed Gun

A month before the Tata Power Strategic Electronic Division unveiled what was heralded as India's first 'indigenous' artillery gun, the company was among 14 Indian firms that sat across the table with DRDO officials at a three-day brainstorming session in Pune between October 29-31 on the latter's proposed 155mm/52cal advanced towed artillery gun system (ATAGS, since they love their long acronyms).
The four Indian private sector companies that held 'system level interactions' were Tata Power SED, Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Forge Ltd and Mahindra Defence Systems, BHEL along with state-owned BHEL and BEL. Eight private firms that held 'sub-system level interactions' were Dantal Hydraulics, Starwine India Ltd, PSPL, Avasarala Technologies, Accurate Engineering, HBL Power Systems Ltd., Moog Inc and System Controls Ltd.

According to DRDO, the 155mm gun it plans to develop at the Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune, "Improved firepower to achieve first salvo effectiveness at longer ranges, higher accuracy and enhanced survivability are the primary requirements for this gun system. Efforts are being made to develop new technologies for weapon platforms, automation and control systems, recoil management, materials, etc., to achieve improved weapon performance."

The DRDO labs that propose to be part of the gun development include the Instruments Research and Development Establishment (IRDE), Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (VRDE), Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR) and DRDO HQ in Delhi.

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[Kunal Biswas]

TATA gun is a good gun but not the best coz its chamber is smaller..

 

[The Fox]

TATA gun is a good gun but not the best coz its chamber is smaller..

Hey kunal can u please elaborate the effects of small chamber on the performance of the gun..........

Thanks

 

[Kunal Biswas]

First thing we should know there are two categories to show chamber volume :

1. 23 liter volume Chamber
2. 25 liter volume Chamber

From same length of guns >>

A. Smaller Chamber will have lesser charge ( Gun powder bag ) inside, Lesser Charge means less power & less ability to endure hi-pressure, less power = less range..

B. Bigger Chamber will have more charge inside, bigger charge means more power & higer ability to endure more pressure inside chamber, More power = more range..

Hey kunal can u please elaborate the effects of small chamber on the performance of the gun..........

Thanks

 

[sayareakd]

DRDO Brainstorms With Private Industry On 155mm Towed Gun

 

[W.G.Ewald]

DRDO Brainstorms With Private Industry On 155mm Towed Gun

"Let's go around the table and tell everybody why we're here."

 

[sayareakd]

Tata gun, swadeshi bofors are different products: Gun Carriage Factory chief

Though surprised by the sudden launch of home grown howitzer developed byTata power strategic electronics division, the weapon development composite team at the Gun Carriage Factory (GCF), credited with manufacturing the first swadeshi bofors, derives solace from the fact that the new product will offer them little competition.

The two guns are quite dissimilar, general manager and head of the WDCT S P Yadav told TOI. The weapon showcased by Tata SED is 155/52 mm howitzer carried by eight-wheeled Tata truck. As against the vehicle mounted variety, our produce is what is technically classified as a toed gun.

So unlike misgivings in certain quarters Tata does not pose any threat to us. In fact the new range, he said, would give Indian army a vast choice and is a happy development."

Tata's launch, according to sources, had led to a major upheaval in the GCF where an expert team of 125 personnel had been working round the clock for last two years to come up with a technically superior and upgraded version of their Swedish counterpart.

The project was fast tracked at the behest of the defense ministry and A K Anthony had come down to personally monitor its progress four months ago. So the successful foray by a rival did not sound particularly encouraging, admitted a senior team member. Posturing by the workers union did not help matters, he said. In fact, the union leaders went to the extent of imputing a conspiracy to shut down GCF- one of the oldest defense installations in the country- and prepared to strike work.

The GM lays all these doubts to rest. We have brought out two prototypes and they are undergoing filed trials he said.

The first trial was held on November 30 at the central proof establishment (CPE) Itarsi and the next is slated for third week of this month when we transport the gun to PXE Balasore before finally handing it over to Indian Army.

The timing by Tata SED, he remarked, was a bit intriguing, "because it coincides with our launch and has contributed to some unnecessary confusion". Sure that 155/45 caliber boomer which can strike an object within the range of 40 kilometers, would give all national and international competitors a run for their money, Yadav said, "GCF, don't forget, has 109 years of experience in artillery manufacturing and others including Tata are just entering the field.

Tata gun, swadeshi bofors are different products: Gun Carriage Factory chief | idrw.org

two is better then one option....................:thumb:
May be final version shall have best of both systems.

 

[Patriot]

Tata gun, swadeshi bofors are different products: Gun Carriage Factory chief



Tata gun, swadeshi bofors are different products: Gun Carriage Factory chief | idrw.org

two is better then one option....................:thumb:
May be final version shall have best of both systems.

Why Army should go with the 155/45 version of GCF, when 155/52 is available that too of superior technology & quality.

With 109 years history GCF could not provide a decent 155/55 Gun in all versions than what is the use of 109 years experience just giving employment only or licence manufacturing on Bofors ToT.

TATAs going to find it very tough to sell their gun to IA , when these GCF kind employee strike starts coming. IA may be compelled to buy the GCF stuff of whatever standard or quality.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The Problem is tender, All 52cal guns towed, wheeled, tracked have to go through competition / trails and will take 3-5 years least..

Where as 155/ 45 cal is ready for production, will be available within months..

More the guns better it is..

 

[sayareakd]

I strongly feel that we should get as many guns as both can make, be it on truck, on armor, wheel, or towed or even light weight for mountains.
Get what ever they can get in 155/45 or 52 with MRSI and network centrik capabilities. We have to think in terms of two front war and right now we cant fight even single front war, with existing guns.

 

[sayareakd]

Why Army should go with the 155/45 version of GCF, when 155/52 is available that too of superior technology & quality.

With 109 years history GCF could not provide a decent 155/55 Gun in all versions than what is the use of 109 years experience just giving employment only or licence manufacturing on Bofors ToT.

TATAs going to find it very tough to sell their gun to IA , when these GCF kind employee strike starts coming. IA may be compelled to buy the GCF stuff of whatever standard or quality.

Please read this

The two guns are quite dissimilar, general manager and head of the WDCT S P Yadav told TOI. The weapon showcased by Tata SED is 155/52 mm howitzer carried by eight-wheeled Tata truck. As against the vehicle mounted variety, our produce is what is technically classified as a toed gun.

So their is scope for both the guns. Let them deliver as fast as possible. GOI can afford both types of guns. But both TATA and OFB have to work together so that both will have common parts and ammo.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Pictures from Eastern Front

What is the Opposing Force there?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What is the Opposing Force there?

People Liberation Army of China..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IMHO, Get Bhim Project reloaded with this gun, latter variant of Bhim can be fitted with 52cal guns...

Get what ever they can get in 155/45 or 52 with MRSI and network centrik capabilities. We have to think in terms of two front war and right now we cant fight even single front war, with existing guns.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

People Liberation Army of China..

I should have just looked at the map.

 

[Patriot]

Please read this


So their is scope for both the guns. Let them deliver as fast as possible. GOI can afford both types of guns. But both TATA and OFB have to work together so that both will have common parts and ammo.

How come ammo can be common when the guns are of different caliber? I do not see any possibility TATAs & OFBs are going to work together, as TATAs & OFBs work with entirely different approach technologically as well as professionalism. Though DRDO & TATAs joint working may be possible but DRDO seems to be working with ARDE.

On the other hand when IA is looking for the standardization caliber of 155/52, I do not see GCF has much role to play except giving employment & adding more years to their 109 years experience.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Ammo is same, What is different is the charge bags quantity as per Chambers..

M107 HE round is fired form all kind of 155mm gun but its range vary from different types 155mm /39,45,52 of 23/25 liter chambers guns..

 

[arnabmit]

I heard from a friend that the US M777 deal is cancelled? Is that correct?